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Re: Can someone identify this truck?

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Here is a close match to your trucks, from the Kindl Truck Company in the 1903 CBD.
 
 
There is an article in the Daily Railway Age in 1901 at
 
 
Hope this helps.
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Lombard
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 12:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Can someone identify this truck?

Here is clearer photo of the truck on IC 22890 built 3-1902 by AC&F lot 1806. There are no drawings or photos in the 1888, 1906 or 1909 Cyclopedias.


Re: My railroad materials

Tim O'Connor
 


Which is WHY I mentioned them as exceptions.


Tim, I would say that the Conductors books are in fact genuine, primary archival materials.  They were created by actual railroaders in the pursuit of their work, it doesnt get much more authentic, on-the-ground recording of what really happened.:  Granted a single book may contain anomalies, but an entire book will cover the normal run of what was carried in regular normal trains.
 
Schuyler
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] My railroad materials
 

For people with genuine, primary archival materials - of whatever kind -
I agree this can be difficult to figure out. I have virtually no materials
of this kind - conductor's books, cyclopedias, a few other genuine railroad
publications is all. I'm confident that none of them are unique, and therefore
I'm happy to instruct my heirs to sell them (Ebay etc) - or keep anything they
like. I figure if someone is willing to pay money to own them, then whatever
protection they receive will be because a new person values them. In the end
I think "continuous custody" is the only long term solution. Even museums and
official archives can be impermanent. (Maybe I'm thinking of the horrific fire
yesterday in Brazil that destroyed literally millions of items collected over
the previous 200 years.)


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Tank Car: HMHX 6012

Tim O'Connor
 


Yes, 6012. A 6,000 gallon ACF tank car, a loner - ONE of a series of ONE. :-)

That's a great website !

Tim O'Connor





Here is another photo link from the Free Library of Philadelphia:
https://libwww.freelibrary.org/digital/item/44466
Click on the photo to enlarge it.
The three compartment tank car appears to be HMHX 6012. Two sources list the owner as Tank Car Corp. Of America.
Comment for the photo: "View of a vacated industrial plant. Location was the site of the Union Petroleum Company, circa 1910. Then the Sinclair Refining Company, circa 1942. Circa 1962 the location belonged to the Paint Manufacturing Company. Demolish date sometime after 1962."
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Can someone identify this truck?

Eric Lombard
 

Here is clearer photo of the truck on IC 22890 built 3-1902 by AC&F lot 1806. There are no drawings or photos in the 1888, 1906 or 1909 Cyclopedias.


Re: Harrisburg Car Co.'s Exhibit

G.J. Irwin
 

Thanks, Garth.   I can confirm (for what it's worth) that some of these photos could have been source material for Micro-Trains' releases on their Civil War Era body styles.  One of these is the NYC&HR 2624, which looks like a boxcar from the outside but is marked "Refrigerator Car."

--George Irwin


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Tony Thompson
 

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PFE (WP) Hutchins Roof Photo Needed

Bob Chaparro
 

Alfred Fickensher posted the request below on my Railroad Citrus Industry Modeling Group. I have several WP reefer photos but none showing car roofs. Can anyone help Alfred? Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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Folks, I’m hoping someone might have a roof-view photo of one of the WP PFE R-30s that gives a good view of the Hutchins roof. Apparently there were different Hutchins roofs over the years between the wars, so a picture for example of an XY&Z RY box car with a Hutchins roof won’t be trustworthy enough for my purposes. This has to be identifiable as a PFE reefer and of course has to show at least one and a half segments of the Hutchins roof for me to be able to model it.

I’m scratchbuilding two 1:48 PFE reefers, one R-30-12 with Bettendorf underframe and one R-30-13 with the PFE “company” u/f. My intentions are to paint one as a WP car and at this point in the project it’s not yet decided whether the WP will be the -12 or the -13, both were on the roster although only a small percentage of the WPs were the Bettendorfs.

The Hutchins roof however apparently was on 2000 of the 2750 WP cars so its surprising to me that no photos have shown up for me so far.

Hopefully. . .

Thanks for looking,

Alfred Fickensher

Bettendorf, Iowa


Free Blueprints

Tim Meyer
 


Re: Decal Set for Sunshine Models Kit No. 60.3 for Standard Brands Vinegar Tanker (Black Decals)

John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
 

Group,

Considering this rather sad thread, if anyone can provide a set, or a high resolution scan of a set (600dpi preferred but 300 would be workable) or prototype photos, I can produce a set.

It would be all new artwork as any photo or scanned image will not be in a vector format, which is necessary for good decal printing.

Cost? Probably around $20.00.

Time frame? Well, it will give you something to do around Thanksgiving.

John Hagen

OBS-CALS  your source for Obscure Decals

21050 George Hunt Cir, Apt 821

Waukesha, WI 53186

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(262) 385-4450 (C)

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 10:43 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Decal Set for Sunshine Models Kit No. 60.3 for Standard Brands Vinegar Tanker (Black Decals)

 

Nelson is right. Don't even bother trying to get any help from Trisha. For whatever reason, she is not only unhelpful, she can be hostile. I thought I had gotten to know her and Charles, but after Martin passed, she became a different person.

Tony Thompson 

 


On Sep 6, 2018, at 7:34 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

With respect to Trish Martin, you are very unlikely to receive any help. I found wrong and missing parts in four reefer kits purchased immediately before Martin passed away. His son was handling correspondence after his death, and he was unwilling to accept a return for a refund or replace the incorrect and missing parts. I wish I had kept his letter as an example of poor personal relationship skills and how not to conduct business. Last week, I ask Frank Hodina if Trish still had decals for the FGE or WFE postwar steel reefers (the ones for which Martin sent the wrong sides), and Frank told me in so many words not to even try. Anyone with Sunshine kit problems, and there are going to be many for the kits issued over the last year of business, is strictly on their own. I’m casting missing parts from using parts from kits purchased at an estate sale as masters (older merchandise when thing were going better) and using decals from other sources to try to save four reefer kits I purchased at the end of Sunshine. “There ain’t no Sunshine when he’s gone”.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 6:25 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Decal Set for Sunshine Models Kit No. 60.3 for Standard Brands Vinegar Tanker (Black Decals)

 

Hello Group!

 

I recently discovered my long-ago-purchased Sunshine Models Kit No. 60.3 for Standard Brands Vinegar Tanker (Black Decals) only to find that no decals were inside.  Is there a chance one of you have an extra set to spare?  If not, can anyone suggest a source for these with the 'RR Roman' style lettering.  Failing any help, I will venture a note to Trisha Martin.

 

Thanking in advance for your consideration.

 

Mike Schleigh in Gro


Re: Decal Set for Sunshine Models Kit No. 60.3 for Standard Brands Vinegar Tanker (Black Decals)

Tony Thompson
 

Nelson is right. Don't even bother trying to get any help from Trisha. For whatever reason, she is not only unhelpful, she can be hostile. I thought I had gotten to know her and Charles, but after Martin passed, she became a different person.
Tony Thompson 


On Sep 6, 2018, at 7:34 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

With respect to Trish Martin, you are very unlikely to receive any help. I found wrong and missing parts in four reefer kits purchased immediately before Martin passed away. His son was handling correspondence after his death, and he was unwilling to accept a return for a refund or replace the incorrect and missing parts. I wish I had kept his letter as an example of poor personal relationship skills and how not to conduct business. Last week, I ask Frank Hodina if Trish still had decals for the FGE or WFE postwar steel reefers (the ones for which Martin sent the wrong sides), and Frank told me in so many words not to even try. Anyone with Sunshine kit problems, and there are going to be many for the kits issued over the last year of business, is strictly on their own. I’m casting missing parts from using parts from kits purchased at an estate sale as masters (older merchandise when thing were going better) and using decals from other sources to try to save four reefer kits I purchased at the end of Sunshine. “There ain’t no Sunshine when he’s gone”.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 6:25 PM
To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Decal Set for Sunshine Models Kit No. 60.3 for Standard Brands Vinegar Tanker (Black Decals)

 

Hello Group!

 

I recently discovered my long-ago-purchased Sunshine Models Kit No. 60.3 for Standard Brands Vinegar Tanker (Black Decals) only to find that no decals were inside.  Is there a chance one of you have an extra set to spare?  If not, can anyone suggest a source for these with the 'RR Roman' style lettering.  Failing any help, I will venture a note to Trisha Martin.

 

Thanking in advance for your consideration.

 

Mike Schleigh in Gro


Re: Decal Set for Sunshine Models Kit No. 60.3 for Standard Brands Vinegar Tanker (Black Decals)

Nelson Moyer
 

With respect to Trish Martin, you are very unlikely to receive any help. I found wrong and missing parts in four reefer kits purchased immediately before Martin passed away. His son was handling correspondence after his death, and he was unwilling to accept a return for a refund or replace the incorrect and missing parts. I wish I had kept his letter as an example of poor personal relationship skills and how not to conduct business. Last week, I ask Frank Hodina if Trish still had decals for the FGE or WFE postwar steel reefers (the ones for which Martin sent the wrong sides), and Frank told me in so many words not to even try. Anyone with Sunshine kit problems, and there are going to be many for the kits issued over the last year of business, is strictly on their own. I’m casting missing parts from using parts from kits purchased at an estate sale as masters (older merchandise when thing were going better) and using decals from other sources to try to save four reefer kits I purchased at the end of Sunshine. “There ain’t no Sunshine when he’s gone”.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 6:25 PM
To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Decal Set for Sunshine Models Kit No. 60.3 for Standard Brands Vinegar Tanker (Black Decals)

 

Hello Group!

 

I recently discovered my long-ago-purchased Sunshine Models Kit No. 60.3 for Standard Brands Vinegar Tanker (Black Decals) only to find that no decals were inside.  Is there a chance one of you have an extra set to spare?  If not, can anyone suggest a source for these with the 'RR Roman' style lettering.  Failing any help, I will venture a note to Trisha Martin.

 

Thanking in advance for your consideration.

 

Mike Schleigh in Gro


New ART reefer book came today!

Scott
 

New ART reefer book from Signature Press came today.  All I can say is Wow!  Tons of color and black and white photos.  Great history write up on the DRGW/ART operations in Colorado.  Plus tons of other great stuff.

You will want to get that one before its gone.

Scott McDonald


Decal Set for Sunshine Models Kit No. 60.3 for Standard Brands Vinegar Tanker (Black Decals)

Schleigh Mike
 

Hello Group!

I recently discovered my long-ago-purchased Sunshine Models Kit No. 60.3 for Standard Brands Vinegar Tanker (Black Decals) only to find that no decals were inside.  Is there a chance one of you have an extra set to spare?  If not, can anyone suggest a source for these with the 'RR Roman' style lettering.  Failing any help, I will venture a note to Trisha Martin.

Thanking in advance for your consideration.

Mike Schleigh in Gro


Can someone identify this truck?

Eric Lombard
 

Hi, Everyone..

The truck is on IC 47225 out of IC 47001-47500, 500 cars, AC&F 1906.

Thanks,

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL


Detailing F&C GN Truss Rod Boxcar: Bolster Area, Stemwinder Brake Wheel, final truss rods etc.

Bill Welch
 

I decided to finish the assembly of the F&C GN Truss Rod boxcar and added the last four truss rods and turnbuckles, the ones that are on the outside. As with the interior Queen Posts the exterior QP assemblies needed to be trimmed and fitted for proper alignment. I have already described how I prefer to do truss rods and turnbuckles so I will not repeat that here.

Prototype photos of these cars clearly show there are channels that make up the bolsters but F&C seems to have ignored this. I decided to model only the ends of the bolsters using a .010 x .040 and two .010 x .020's to form the channel. I then added a .005 styrene cap to the ends. One of the charms of these cars that provide so much character in my opinion are the way the vertical brake shaft extends so high. I may fine tune the height of the wire.

The model sits on Tahoe Andrews Trucks. These cars rode on a variety of truck but I like the look of Andrews for this car.

Bill Welch


Detailing F&C GN Truss Rod Boxcar: Running Board

Bill Welch
 

Given the amount of time and energy I have invested in this model I decided to go a little further and scratch build its wood running board. My favorite strip wood is Mt. Albert and here I used their #MA103P12. When I first started building wood Running Boards I made a Fixture to help me but overtime found I could do it faster on the actual roof. I use strips of 0.005 to help hold them together as I build them upside down on the roof using tape to keep things in place. As can be seen in the photos Vacant spaces are left for new replacement boards. The Latitudinals are arranged perpendicular to the main running board, an arrangement used by the USRA cars as well. The eyebolts for the hand grabs are from Yarmouth. As you can see in the photos one wire leg of the corner grabs is left long on each end to index into a matching hole in the roof making it easy to place the running board in proper orientation when ready to glue it place. The running board will be attached permanently  after the model is primed.

Bill Welch


Detailing F&C GN Truss Rod Boxcar: Door Stops

Bill Welch
 

I was not impressed with the cast-on doors stops and decided I want something finer. For a base I used .010 x .020 strip styrene and with Testors tacked this on the back of a steel ruler. Next I used slices of 0.005 to make the flanges and carefully glued these to the base, blowing on the Testors to speed its curing. Leaving this overnight to cure I peeled the parts up with a Single Edge Razor Blade and nipped of the excess .005 styrene. The excess length of .010 x .020 strip provided a handle to make this small part easier to handle plus I could use tape over it to keep it in place on the car side. Then I wicked a bit of CA under it to secure it and then used a Single Edge Razor Blade to cut the "handle" off.

Bill Welch


Harrisburg Car Co.'s Exhibit

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

A search on Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rolling_stock_manufacturers#United_States ) shows that the Harrisburg Car Manufacturing Co. was active from 1853-1890. University of Pennsylvania libraries have other neat photos of their cars online at http://www.library.upenn.edu/collections/rbm/photos/harrisburgcar/ . You might also find this surviving 1888 tank car of interest: http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=34090 .

They apparently left railroad car building, but made other things, and became Harrisburg Steel Corporation in 1935. The company continues today as a railway/industrial service company under the name HARSCO: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harsco .

Your Aye,


Garth Groff 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿


Re: Harrisburg Car Co.'s Exhibit

G.J. Irwin
 

For what it's worth, Micro-Trains has done a "Merchants Despatch Four-Pack," a "White Line Four-Pack" and a "Red Line Four-Pack" in N Scale on their Civil War Era cars.  I anticipate there will be a "Blue Line Four-Pack" at some point as well.   These photos plus the one in the Merchants Despatch book appear to be among the source material Micro-Trains used. 

Interestingly, according to the Merchants Despatch book, the MDT had already stopped painting their own cars by "color line," preferring to go with a less-restrictive MDT scheme-- though the red, white and blue stripes at the bottom of the "classic" MDT refrigerator scheme are a reference to those three Fast Freight Lines.   So it's not surprising that the 1876 photo has White, Red and Blue line cars lettered for railroads in the New York Central's "family tree."

George "you've forgotten more than I know" Irwin
www.irwinsjournal.com


Re: ERDX Reefers.

Armand Premo
 

Thank you Seth.I'll check my wheel reports for specific numbers.Thanks again.Armand Premo

On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 4:57 AM, Seth Lakin via Groups.Io <lakinsa@...> wrote:
Armand, there are many different groups of ERDX reefers. What series do you want to know about? 

http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-FREIGHT2.htm

Near the bottom of the list are ERDX reefers. I don’t know if the list is complete or not.

i have a file of data and a building plan to model a car in the 11000-11049 series. I think I may have a data file on the 10000-10099 series also but no building plan. 

Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN