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Re: on the left, there is a B&O gon

Eric Hansmann
 

On September 11, 2018 at 6:14 AM Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:

Well... the car coupled to the other end is the new Accurail 36' car. While the fishbelly center sill shows underneath, the real spotting feature is the bolster ends.

Many of the boxcars in that string could be modeled using Accurail kits. Beyond the Southern SU car is a Canadian Pacific Fowler. While we can't determine if it has a 5- or 6-foot door, the  new Accurail Fowler makes for a good starting point on a CPR 6-foot door Fowler. 

The remaining cars are difficult to identify but all seem similar with truss rods, grab iron ladders, and doors opening to the right. I suspect these are Lackawanna boxcars. Adding truss rods to a straight centersill Accurail double-sheathed shorty with wood ends would be a fair reflection of the prototypes. 

Modeling the mid-1920s is fun.


Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


Re: on the left, there is a B&O gon

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 01:31 PM, O Fenton Wells wrote:
And right behind that is a Southern SU boxcar.  Just say'in
Well... the car coupled to the other end is the new Accurail 36' car. While the fishbelly center sill shows underneath, the real spotting feature is the bolster ends.

Dennis Storzek


correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello friends,

I have two CB&Q SM-18 stock cars needing new trucks for acceptable rolling ability. The current trucks are Andrews which I guess are entirely accurate for the cars. But would it also be accurate to equip one car with a different type of trucks? I just like to see some kind of difference on several cars of the same class.
The cars represent a pre-WWII version with AB brakes.

Many thanks for any information

Johannes


Re: on the left, there is a B&O gon

D. Scott Chatfield
 

The extra rail is a type of point guard.  Must have had a problem with wheels picking those points.  Not typical practice in the lifetime of almost all of us on this list.  Point guards are usually castings mounted to the outside of the points and push the wheel away from the point.  Normally only used on low speed track, like in yards.


Scott Chatfield


Re: on the left, there is a B&O gon

Richard Brennan
 

At 07:45 PM 9/10/2018, Jim Betz wrote:
As long as we are looking at this particular image ...
http://www.railfan.net/lists/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-08-02-18/X4896.jpg
What's going on with the track on the right (where the dwarfs are) ???
Sure -looks- strange to me.
...just a foreshortened view of the switch points thrown for the classification yard?


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Re: on the left, there is a B&O gon

Jim Betz
 

 As long as we are looking at this particular image ...

  What's going on with the track on the right (where the dwarfs are) ???
Sure -looks- strange to me.
                                                                          - Jim B.


Re: business practices

Mikebrock
 

 

ADMIN: Tim O’Connor notes:

 

Bill was only saying we can criticize the PRODUCT without turning it into
personal comments about people. I'm pretty sure that's longstanding Mike Brock
policy.

As a matter of fact, Tim is right. OTOH, there is a difference between describing a business practice and criticizing one.

Note the STMFC rule: Criticism of a manufacturer's business practices is, however, not within the scope of the group. ALL SUBJECTS OTHER THAN THOSE DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH STEAM ERA FREIGHT CARS ARE PROHIBITED FROM MEMBER MESSAGES. Thus, all admin, security, or "policing" functions will be conducted only by myself or my representatives. Warnings about virus activity is strictly prohibited. Threads or subjects may be terminated only by myself or my representatives. When threads/subjects are terminated, members are expected to avoid sending messages associated with such threads/subjects. All references to politics or political views are prohibited.”

Mike Brock




 


Re: on the left, there is a B&O gon

rwitt_2000
 

Claus and all,

I believe the object is real, but I have never seen such an attachment. The class O-18 originally were drop-bottom gondolas or gondolas with drop bottom doors. The doors were removed around 1925 and they were rebuilt into flat bottom gondolas. Is there a date for the photo? All I can add is that the "extra steel plate" is located were the drop bottom doors would be located and there appears to stenciling on the "plate".

The B&O O-18 fleet was about 8,000 cars but apparently very few were photographed. A very camera shy freight car.

Bob Witt


Re: PASSING COMMENTARY

Jerry Michels
 

Very fine response Tom!

Jerry Michels


Re: Modeling Those WLE SS cars w/7-ft doors

al_brown03
 

"Muchos gracias" Dennis and Eric. Corns, "Wheeling & Lake Erie" vol 1, p 58, has a photo of W&LE 27439 which appears to confirm Eric's proposal. 

AL B.


Re: hoppers (was NC&StL HM-11 Two-Bay Hopper)

Tim O'Connor
 


Oh! Well, yeah, CN came right down into Vermont and most of the US newsprint
consumption was Canadian paper - even into the late 1990's there was a dedicated
Conrail newsprint paper train from Canada (Montreal -> Syracuse -> Selkirk). Lots
of CN cars in New England.


Tim,It was just passing commentary to show the CN's presence on the Rutland along with a single NC&StL hopper.While there were no CN hoppers present.Armand Premo
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On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 10:44 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@... > wrote:

 > For the record, 186 CN cars passed through Alburgh,Vt on train # 9 during the month of November 1950.
 > Armand Premo

uh, ok, I'll bite. what does this mean? you mean CN coal hoppers? where does coal come
from that is loaded into CN hoppers and travels through Vermont?

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NC&StL HM-11 Two-Bay Hopper

Brian Termunde
 

Tony,
I totally agree with you. But in my case, I do have to add that while I can see taking certain liberties with the prototype on a model railroad, I personally do not having to 'explain' things even to myself! if I stretch things to routinely include rare or unlikely events, cars, engines,ladings and/or trains, I am going to be asking myself if I really did choose the right railroad to model!

This is one of the many reasons that I value this group and it's members who share so much, so often.
 
Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah


Re: on the left, there is a B&O gon

Eric Hansmann
 

The B&O gondola in this 1926 DL&W photograph is an O-18 class car. This car class held 39% of the B&O gondola fleet of 1926. More details can be found on this 1926 equipment summary.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/BO_1926_Fleet_gondolas.pdf


Based upon the first three digits of the B&O car number (341), this is an O-18a car. The drop doors have been removed and the car now has a solid wood bottom. This car was modified about 1922 and the irregular steel plates along the side sill may have been a result of that modification of a repair. I have not seen a B&O O-18 with this odd side sill look.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On September 10, 2018 at 1:47 PM "Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)" <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
I noticed an odd thing on this photo - on the left, there is a B&O gon. It seems to me that two of the gon panels extend lower down than the rest do. Is this an illusion or other photographic artifact? A repair? A complete anomaly?
 
 
Claus Schlund
 


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Re: on the left, there is a B&O gon

Bill Welch
 

Southern SU with "T" braced end available from Westerfield.

Bill Welch


Re: on the left, there is a B&O gon

Ray Breyer
 

Looking at the photo I see 341xxx as the road number. Per Eric Hansmann's survey of the B&O's 1926 gondola fleet ( http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/BO_1926_Fleet_gondolas.pdf ) that makes the car an O-18a. However, I've got a few photos of O-18's, and none of them have this goofy extension on them.

I have a few (bad) copies of B&O car diagrams. One of them lists ONE car - 341643 - as an O-18c, which was modified with side dump hoppers. That diagram might match this single car. There's no note as to when the conversion was done, but this may be an image of a single, experimental B&O car.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Monday, September 10, 2018, 2:48:01 PM CDT, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) <claus@...> wrote:


Hi List Members,
 
I noticed an odd thing on this photo - on the left, there is a B&O gon. It seems to me that two of the gon panels extend lower down than the rest do. Is this an illusion or other photographic artifact? A repair? A complete anomaly?
 
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: on the left, there is a B&O gon

O Fenton Wells
 

And right behind that is a Southern SU boxcar.  Just say'in
Fenton Wells

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 3:47 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
I noticed an odd thing on this photo - on the left, there is a B&O gon. It seems to me that two of the gon panels extend lower down than the rest do. Is this an illusion or other photographic artifact? A repair? A complete anomaly?
 
 
Claus Schlund
 




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Re: on the left, there is a B&O gon

al_brown03
 

Does it have a hopper bottom, maybe, or did it?

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


on the left, there is a B&O gon

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
I noticed an odd thing on this photo - on the left, there is a B&O gon. It seems to me that two of the gon panels extend lower down than the rest do. Is this an illusion or other photographic artifact? A repair? A complete anomaly?
 
 
Claus Schlund
 


Second Annual Carolinas RPM meet in Winston-Salem, NC October 19-20, 2018

twsicrr
 

We are announcing the second Carolinas RPM.  Please see below:

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Re: NC&StL HM-11 Two-Bay Hopper

Armand Premo
 

I rarely question the modeling skills of the members of this group.For the most part, I have learned a great deal .I try to model what I can document.A few years back I became aware of the large number of Berwind hoppers that would arrive in Alburgh on train #10 of the Rutland.They were interchanged with the Central Vermont and would be of- line for  about a week then return as empties leaving on Train  # 9.I finally found out where they had been going.So I have modeled several Berwind hoppers.The same can be said of several Central Vermont boxcars.They were in assigned service and returned regularly.Armand Premo

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
About a year ago I saw a photo of a B&O hopper in the wilds of British Columbia, about 1950. Anything is possible…

       Anything? Maybe, but credible modeling depends on a minimum of surprising modeling. My criterion in matters like this is to avoid anything I would have to "explain."
        Of course you also have to consider your "audience" and its knowledge.

Tony Thompson




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