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Re: Andrews trucks was correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
Tony Thompson
What are called "real springs" may in fact be springs that COULD work, but in fact do not, unless car weight is several ounces or more. For some specifics on actual prototype trucks and what they look like, you may wish to look at my article in _Model Railroad Hobbyist_ in the issue for September 2016, which is available to read or download, for free, at any time, at their website, www.mrhmag.com . Your call. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
Dave Parker
Johannes:
The Kadee wheels have ~1.018-inch axles, versus ~1.005 for the Intermountains. I don't the TMW trucks will roll very well without modification if you install Kadee wheels. Apologies for the non-metric units; I was in hurry here. Dave Parker Riverside, CA
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Re: correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
vapeurchapelon
Interesting point, Bill,
many thanks. Btw, what do you thingk about Kadees HGC trucks, regarding their proportions? For my PFE R70-2 reefers I used these Kadee 70ton trucks because their springs (three outside) match the prototype photos. These are my first Kadee HGC trucks, and I was surprised how big - > broad they are. Looking good with the large cars, just wondering.
Many greetings
Johannes
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 16:12 Uhr
Von: "Bill Welch" <fgexbill@...> An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?) Just my opinion but although Accurail Andrew are nicely detailed I think they are too long and on a model they are too big, especially if you have a car next to it with the Tahoe truck. On a stock car they look out of proportion. Again just my opinion.
Bill Welch
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Re: correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
vapeurchapelon
Many thanks, Nelson,
but
>> Shipping is a very reasonable $3 .50 per order. <<
this will be a little more to Germany ;-)
Furthermore very likely no difference either with or without wheelsets. Since I don't have (useable) spare wheelsets I have to order with them. I intended to ask what's wrong with the TAHOE wheelsets, but Brian Leppert thankfully already mentioned that the trucks have Intermountain wheelsets.
Many greetings
Johannes, also considering Kadee wheelsets because of their ribbed back side, which very likely were used on these stock cars...
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 19:33 Uhr
Von: "Nelson Moyer" <npmoyer@...> An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?) To follow up on TMW trucks, it is possible to buy the trucks without wheel sets at $3.75 per pair and install your own wheels. I use Intermountain wheels. TMW doesn’t list that option on the order form, but just cross out the $8.35 per pair and specify that you want just the side frames. Shipping is a very reasonable $3 .50 per order.
Nelson Moyer
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Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:22 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
Hello Doug,
many thanks for your note. Westerfield has them listed, when I am at home I will try to order them. Yes, Accurail trucks usually are nicely detailed and run very well, but unfortunately the brake shoes are not in gauge with the wheels, so there would be some work involved.
Many greetings
Johannes
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 15:10 Uhr If you can’t find the Tahoe trucks Nelson mentioned, look at the Accurail Andrews trucks. They are a very nice looking, inexpensive and when equipped with wheelsets from Intermoutain or Reboxx they roll very well.
Doug Harding
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Hello Nelson,
MANY THANKS for your comprehensive reply! So I will use Andrews trucks on both cars, definitely. I am modeling the early POST-war years (I am sorry for the mistakenly written pre-war in my original post!) - the reweigh date on the cars is 8-48.
>> If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? <<
No, not really. If I model an anomly it at least must have the proof to be accurate - which in this case wouldn't be.
Many thanks again!
Johannes
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 14:51 Uhr It depends upon what date(s) you intend to represent. SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars were built between 1926 and 1928, and they originally received arch bar trucks, but they received Andrews trucks before the arch bar ban for interchange. Since your cars have AB brakes, they would also have Andrews trucks. All photos of SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars I’ve seen show Andrews trucks. Later classes of CB&Q stock cars got Barber double truss lateral motion, Barber S-2A, ASF A-3 ride control, or Scullin self-aligning spring plankless trucks, but here is no evidence that I’m aware of where these trucks were ever used on SM-18 or SM-18A stock cars, which were retired in the late 1960s and early 1970s. A few cars lasted into the BN era. It also depends upon how strictly you wish to model the prototype. If you’re fudging other things, you may use whatever trucks you wish to use without regard for the prototype. If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? I have 24 SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars at present, and all roll very well on Tahoe Model Works Andrews trucks. Bottom line for you is the decision whether or not to be true to the prototype, or freelance.
Nelson Moyer
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Re: Andrews trucks was correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
Schleigh Mike
The old C+D truck line has a new owner via email [jmcncorp@...]. The previous owner supplied wheels at 0.100 and 0.088 inch width and this MAY still be an option. The new company has an ad in the August issue of the NMRA Magazine. These are sprung trucks in three styles and two colors. They are very free rolling with the Intermountain wheels and axles. I cannot speak to the veracity of these trucks meeting any particular prototypes. Mike Schleigh in very wet Grove City, Penna.
On Tuesday, September 11, 2018, 3:36:18 PM EDT, john oseida via Groups.Io <xseinc@...> wrote:
Speaking of Andrews trucks, I'm curious if there are any options for Andrews trucks with real springs that roll freely.
Regards, John Oseida Oakville, ON
On Tuesday, September 11, 2018, 1:33:42 p.m. EDT, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:
To follow up on TMW trucks, it is possible to buy the trucks without wheel sets at $3.75 per pair and install your own wheels. I use Intermountain wheels. TMW doesn’t list that option on the order form, but just cross out the $8.35 per pair and specify that you want just the side frames. Shipping is a very reasonable $3 .50 per order.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Hello Doug,
many thanks for your note. Westerfield has them listed, when I am at home I will try to order them. Yes, Accurail trucks usually are nicely detailed and run very well, but unfortunately the brake shoes are not in gauge with the wheels, so there would be some work involved.
Many greetings
Johannes
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 15:10 Uhr If you can’t find the Tahoe trucks Nelson mentioned, look at the Accurail Andrews trucks. They are a very nice looking, inexpensive and when equipped with wheelsets from Intermoutain or Reboxx they roll very well.
Doug Harding
From:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Hello Nelson,
MANY THANKS for your comprehensive reply! So I will use Andrews trucks on both cars, definitely. I am modeling the early POST-war years (I am sorry for the mistakenly written pre-war in my original post!) - the reweigh date on the cars is 8-48.
>> If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? <<
No, not really. If I model an anomly it at least must have the proof to be accurate - which in this case wouldn't be.
Many thanks again!
Johannes
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018
um 14:51 Uhr It depends upon what date(s) you intend to represent. SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars were built between 1926 and 1928, and they originally received arch bar trucks, but they received Andrews trucks before the arch bar ban for interchange. Since your cars have AB brakes, they would also have Andrews trucks. All photos of SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars I’ve seen show Andrews trucks. Later classes of CB&Q stock cars got Barber double truss lateral motion, Barber S-2A, ASF A-3 ride control, or Scullin self-aligning spring plankless trucks, but here is no evidence that I’m aware of where these trucks were ever used on SM-18 or SM-18A stock cars, which were retired in the late 1960s and early 1970s. A few cars lasted into the BN era. It also depends upon how strictly you wish to model the prototype. If you’re fudging other things, you may use whatever trucks you wish to use without regard for the prototype. If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? I have 24 SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars at present, and all roll very well on Tahoe Model Works Andrews trucks. Bottom line for you is the decision whether or not to be true to the prototype, or freelance.
Nelson Moyer
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Hello friends,
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Re: Andrews trucks was correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
john oseida
Speaking of Andrews trucks, I'm curious if there are any options for Andrews trucks with real springs that roll freely.
Regards, John Oseida Oakville, ON
On Tuesday, September 11, 2018, 1:33:42 p.m. EDT, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:
To follow up on TMW trucks, it is possible to buy the trucks without wheel sets at $3.75 per pair and install your own wheels. I use Intermountain wheels. TMW doesn’t list that option on the order form, but just cross out the $8.35 per pair and specify that you want just the side frames. Shipping is a very reasonable $3 .50 per order.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Hello Doug,
many thanks for your note. Westerfield has them listed, when I am at home I will try to order them. Yes, Accurail trucks usually are nicely detailed and run very well, but unfortunately the brake shoes are not in gauge with the wheels, so there would be some work involved.
Many greetings
Johannes
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 15:10 Uhr If you can’t find the Tahoe trucks Nelson mentioned, look at the Accurail Andrews trucks. They are a very nice looking, inexpensive and when equipped with wheelsets from Intermoutain or Reboxx they roll very well.
Doug Harding
From:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Hello Nelson,
MANY THANKS for your comprehensive reply! So I will use Andrews trucks on both cars, definitely. I am modeling the early POST-war years (I am sorry for the mistakenly written pre-war in my original post!) - the reweigh date on the cars is 8-48.
>> If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? <<
No, not really. If I model an anomly it at least must have the proof to be accurate - which in this case wouldn't be.
Many thanks again!
Johannes
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018
um 14:51 Uhr It depends upon what date(s) you intend to represent. SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars were built between 1926 and 1928, and they originally received arch bar trucks, but they received Andrews trucks before the arch bar ban for interchange. Since your cars have AB brakes, they would also have Andrews trucks. All photos of SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars I’ve seen show Andrews trucks. Later classes of CB&Q stock cars got Barber double truss lateral motion, Barber S-2A, ASF A-3 ride control, or Scullin self-aligning spring plankless trucks, but here is no evidence that I’m aware of where these trucks were ever used on SM-18 or SM-18A stock cars, which were retired in the late 1960s and early 1970s. A few cars lasted into the BN era. It also depends upon how strictly you wish to model the prototype. If you’re fudging other things, you may use whatever trucks you wish to use without regard for the prototype. If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? I have 24 SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars at present, and all roll very well on Tahoe Model Works Andrews trucks. Bottom line for you is the decision whether or not to be true to the prototype, or freelance.
Nelson Moyer
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main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Hello friends,
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Re: correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
brianleppert@att.net
Tahoe Model Works sells trucks without wheelsets for $4.50 per pair. Westerfield's price is probably less. When ordering wheel-less trucks from TMW, $3.50 will cover shipping, but any orders for trucks with wheelsets will need $4.00 for shipping.
InterMountain supplies wheelsets to Tahoe Model Works. Brian Leppert Tahoe Model Works Carson City, NV please visit www.resincarworks.com/tahoe.htm
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Re: correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
Nelson Moyer
To follow up on TMW trucks, it is possible to buy the trucks without wheel sets at $3.75 per pair and install your own wheels. I use Intermountain wheels. TMW doesn’t list that option on the order form, but just cross out the $8.35 per pair and specify that you want just the side frames. Shipping is a very reasonable $3 .50 per order.
Nelson Moyer
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On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:22 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
Hello Doug,
many thanks for your note. Westerfield has them listed, when I am at home I will try to order them. Yes, Accurail trucks usually are nicely detailed and run very well, but unfortunately the brake shoes are not in gauge with the wheels, so there would be some work involved.
Many greetings
Johannes
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 15:10 Uhr If you can’t find the Tahoe trucks Nelson mentioned, look at the Accurail Andrews trucks. They are a very nice looking, inexpensive and when equipped with wheelsets from Intermoutain or Reboxx they roll very well.
Doug Harding
From:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Hello Nelson,
MANY THANKS for your comprehensive reply! So I will use Andrews trucks on both cars, definitely. I am modeling the early POST-war years (I am sorry for the mistakenly written pre-war in my original post!) - the reweigh date on the cars is 8-48.
>> If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? <<
No, not really. If I model an anomly it at least must have the proof to be accurate - which in this case wouldn't be.
Many thanks again!
Johannes
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018
um 14:51 Uhr It depends upon what date(s) you intend to represent. SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars were built between 1926 and 1928, and they originally received arch bar trucks, but they received Andrews trucks before the arch bar ban for interchange. Since your cars have AB brakes, they would also have Andrews trucks. All photos of SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars I’ve seen show Andrews trucks. Later classes of CB&Q stock cars got Barber double truss lateral motion, Barber S-2A, ASF A-3 ride control, or Scullin self-aligning spring plankless trucks, but here is no evidence that I’m aware of where these trucks were ever used on SM-18 or SM-18A stock cars, which were retired in the late 1960s and early 1970s. A few cars lasted into the BN era. It also depends upon how strictly you wish to model the prototype. If you’re fudging other things, you may use whatever trucks you wish to use without regard for the prototype. If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? I have 24 SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars at present, and all roll very well on Tahoe Model Works Andrews trucks. Bottom line for you is the decision whether or not to be true to the prototype, or freelance.
Nelson Moyer
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main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
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Re: Archer Decals - Fwd: HURRICANE FLORENCE headed our way
lol - I guess I thought they were English because the woman salesperson who came to some RPM meets had an English accent. Doh. :-[ :-D
So far as I can recall, Archer was always located in NC. But then I never really paid any attention to them until someone discovered their rivet decals. That was what seemed to get the interest of model railroaders. --
Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: Archer Decals - Fwd: HURRICANE FLORENCE headed our way
John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
So far as I can recall, Archer was always located in NC. But then I never really paid any attention to them until someone discovered their rivet decals. That was what seemed to get the interest of model railroaders. Yes, being what started out as military modeler company, it would seem rather likely they could have been somewhere in Europe. And there are several companies that supply detailing items in Canada. But I do not believe that to be the case here. John Hagen
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:44 AM To: stmfc Subject: [RealSTMFC] Archer Decals - Fwd: HURRICANE FLORENCE headed our way
HURRICANE FORENCE As of today it appears we are directly in the path of Hurricane Florence and this could result in a major disruption of our operations.
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More Steamtown Images (X5122-X5127)
There are photos...
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and then there are photos that let you count growth rings on the brake platform! http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-09-11-18/X5127.jpg More goodness on the ErieLack list from Pat McKnight at NPS Steamtown. -------------------- Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA --------------------
From: "McKnight, Richard" <pat_mcknight@nps.gov>
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Re: on the left, there is a B&O gon
D. Scott Chatfield
Speaking of trucks, the B&O gon's trucks look unusual. Any thoughts? And no, I have no idea why those two panels are deeper. The car appears to have KC brakes, so it's not protecting the brake gear. Hmmmm Scott Chatfield
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Re: on the left, there is a B&O gon
Scott,
Thanks for the answer. I have never seen that before and so I suspected it was a practice/method that was discontinued due to better methods being developed. You have to admit it is truly weird/strange/curious/whatever! - Jim B.
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Re: Archer Decals - Fwd: HURRICANE FLORENCE headed our way
For the last decade... I've contacted Archer in Youngsville, NC,
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just outside of Wake Forest, NE of Raleigh. If Archer was somewhere else at one time... it is news to me! This is the area where the forecasters are concerned Florence will stall and dump... Best Wishes to Woody Vondracek, family, and the Archer team to ride this out safely. -------------------- Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA --------------------
At 08:44 AM 9/11/2018, Tim O'Connor wrote:
<snip>did ARCHER relocate to the United States?
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Re: Archer Decals - Fwd: HURRICANE FLORENCE headed our way
Yes Tim they are in NC
On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 11:44 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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Archer Decals - Fwd: HURRICANE FLORENCE headed our way
What the... ?? I just received this from ARCHER and I thought to ask here - did ARCHER relocate to the United States? If so, that's good news, but it's news to me in any case! Tim O' ===============================
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Re: correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
Bill Welch
Just my opinion but although Accurail Andrew are nicely detailed I think they are too long and on a model they are too big, especially if you have a car next to it with the Tahoe truck. On a stock car they look out of proportion. Again just my opinion.
Bill Welch
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Re: correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
vapeurchapelon
Hello Doug,
many thanks for your note. Westerfield has them listed, when I am at home I will try to order them.
Yes, Accurail trucks usually are nicely detailed and run very well, but unfortunately the brake shoes are not in gauge with the wheels, so there would be some work involved.
Many greetings
Johannes
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 15:10 Uhr
Von: "Douglas Harding" <doug.harding@...> An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?) If you can’t find the Tahoe trucks Nelson mentioned, look at the Accurail Andrews trucks. They are a very nice looking, inexpensive and when equipped with wheelsets from Intermoutain or Reboxx they roll very well.
Doug Harding
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:07 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
Hello Nelson,
MANY THANKS for your comprehensive reply! So I will use Andrews trucks on both cars, definitely. I am modeling the early POST-war years (I am sorry for the mistakenly written pre-war in my original post!) - the reweigh date on the cars is 8-48.
>> If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? <<
No, not really. If I model an anomly it at least must have the proof to be accurate - which in this case wouldn't be.
Many thanks again!
Johannes
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 14:51 Uhr It depends upon what date(s) you intend to represent. SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars were built between 1926 and 1928, and they originally received arch bar trucks, but they received Andrews trucks before the arch bar ban for interchange. Since your cars have AB brakes, they would also have Andrews trucks. All photos of SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars I’ve seen show Andrews trucks. Later classes of CB&Q stock cars got Barber double truss lateral motion, Barber S-2A, ASF A-3 ride control, or Scullin self-aligning spring plankless trucks, but here is no evidence that I’m aware of where these trucks were ever used on SM-18 or SM-18A stock cars, which were retired in the late 1960s and early 1970s. A few cars lasted into the BN era. It also depends upon how strictly you wish to model the prototype. If you’re fudging other things, you may use whatever trucks you wish to use without regard for the prototype. If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? I have 24 SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars at present, and all roll very well on Tahoe Model Works Andrews trucks. Bottom line for you is the decision whether or not to be true to the prototype, or freelance.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Hello friends,
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Re: correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
If you can’t find the Tahoe trucks Nelson mentioned, look at the Accurail Andrews trucks. They are a very nice looking, inexpensive and when equipped with wheelsets from Intermoutain or Reboxx they roll very well.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:07 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
Hello Nelson,
MANY THANKS for your comprehensive reply! So I will use Andrews trucks on both cars, definitely. I am modeling the early POST-war years (I am sorry for the mistakenly written pre-war in my original post!) - the reweigh date on the cars is 8-48.
>> If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? <<
No, not really. If I model an anomly it at least must have the proof to be accurate - which in this case wouldn't be.
Many thanks again!
Johannes
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 14:51 Uhr It depends upon what date(s) you intend to represent. SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars were built between 1926 and 1928, and they originally received arch bar trucks, but they received Andrews trucks before the arch bar ban for interchange. Since your cars have AB brakes, they would also have Andrews trucks. All photos of SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars I’ve seen show Andrews trucks. Later classes of CB&Q stock cars got Barber double truss lateral motion, Barber S-2A, ASF A-3 ride control, or Scullin self-aligning spring plankless trucks, but here is no evidence that I’m aware of where these trucks were ever used on SM-18 or SM-18A stock cars, which were retired in the late 1960s and early 1970s. A few cars lasted into the BN era. It also depends upon how strictly you wish to model the prototype. If you’re fudging other things, you may use whatever trucks you wish to use without regard for the prototype. If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? I have 24 SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars at present, and all roll very well on Tahoe Model Works Andrews trucks. Bottom line for you is the decision whether or not to be true to the prototype, or freelance.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Hello friends,
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Re: correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
vapeurchapelon
Hello Nelson,
MANY THANKS for your comprehensive reply! So I will use Andrews trucks on both cars, definitely. I am modeling the early POST-war years (I am sorry for the mistakenly written pre-war in my original post!) - the reweigh date on the cars is 8-48.
>> If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? <<
No, not really. If I model an anomly it at least must have the proof to be accurate - which in this case wouldn't be.
Many thanks again!
Johannes
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 14:51 Uhr
Von: "Nelson Moyer" <npmoyer@...> An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?) It depends upon what date(s) you intend to represent. SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars were built between 1926 and 1928, and they originally received arch bar trucks, but they received Andrews trucks before the arch bar ban for interchange. Since your cars have AB brakes, they would also have Andrews trucks. All photos of SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars I’ve seen show Andrews trucks. Later classes of CB&Q stock cars got Barber double truss lateral motion, Barber S-2A, ASF A-3 ride control, or Scullin self-aligning spring plankless trucks, but here is no evidence that I’m aware of where these trucks were ever used on SM-18 or SM-18A stock cars, which were retired in the late 1960s and early 1970s. A few cars lasted into the BN era. It also depends upon how strictly you wish to model the prototype. If you’re fudging other things, you may use whatever trucks you wish to use without regard for the prototype. If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? I have 24 SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars at present, and all roll very well on Tahoe Model Works Andrews trucks. Bottom line for you is the decision whether or not to be true to the prototype, or freelance.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 2:52 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
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