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D8 Bulldozer as a Flat Car Load
Bill Welch
Can anyone give personal experience building the GHQ D8 Bulldozer? I am thinking of it as a flat car load. Curious if it builds into a nicely detailed model: https://www.ebay.com/i/192326959275?chn=ps
Thank you, Bill Welch
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Re: three character shots of a NYC gon
Andy Miller
Great shot of a spring-planked Vulcan truck with ribbed-backed wheels.
Andy
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 11:04 PM To: RealSTMFC@groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] three character shots of a NYC gon
http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-09-12-18
Schuyler
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Re: three character shots of a NYC gon
Rossiter, Mark W <Mark.Rossiter@...>
Interesting chalk marks on the first photo.
Mark Rossiter
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three character shots of a NYC gon
Schuyler Larrabee
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Re: on the left, there is a B&O gon
rwitt_2000
My ".tiff" image did not display the thumbnail so here's the "jpg".
Bob Witt
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Re: Taylor Trucks: Eastern Car Works?
Bill,
It looks as though you can order direct. See: http://bethlehemcarworks.com/ordering/ Best Regards, Mike Aufderheide
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Re: correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
Charlie Vlk
Johannes- AFAIK the SM18 stock cars retained their Andrews trucks throughout their service lives. I photographed cars at Clyde that were being used to haul ties and hay c.1968-9 and they still had the Andrews trucks. Charlie Vlk
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Hello friends,
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Re: Taylor Trucks: Eastern Car Works?
Richard Townsend
Yes, Eastern Car Works did Taylor trucks. No, you can't have my pair: they are on MY Reading USRA design gondola.
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Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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From: Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Wed, Sep 12, 2018 9:13 am Subject: [RealSTMFC] Taylor Trucks: Eastern Car Works? Did ECW do the Taylor truck when they were doing trucks? If so does anyone have a set they would like to sell? I am aware they are styrene and need to be assembled but would like to have them for a Reading USRA design gondola.
Bill Welch
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Re: Taylor Trucks: Eastern Car Works?
Todd Sullivan
Bethlehem Car Works has 2 Taylor trucks in the Kit Bits line-up: No. 1217 coil spring and No. 1218 leaf spring. Here's a link: http://bethlehemcarworks.com/trucks/ Todd Sullivan.
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Re: Taylor Trucks: Eastern Car Works?
Yes they did. I’m looking for a pair too.
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Brian J. Carlson
On Sep 12, 2018, at 12:13 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
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Taylor Trucks: Eastern Car Works?
Bill Welch
Did ECW do the Taylor truck when they were doing trucks? If so does anyone have a set they would like to sell? I am aware they are styrene and need to be assembled but would like to have them for a Reading USRA design gondola.
Bill Welch
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Package icing
Clark Propst
On our recent fishing trip we spent a week in NW Ontario and a few days in Northern Minn. Met a guy in Northern Minn. that fished the same NW Ontario lake back in the early 50s. He told me that they shipped their fish home to SE Iowa by train. They were notified when the fish arrived. The fish were packed in a wooden crate lined with heavy paper. The crate was filled with chipped ice and the fish were as fresh as when caught. Said it took ten days to get the fish...Interesting...
Clark Propst
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Re: FOR SALE - Southern Pacific Books
Dave Bayless
Sorry Group: This was meant to go to Storey directly. Please accept my apologies. Dave
Hi Storey: Just wondering if the books Southern Pacific Lines – Pacific Lines Stations Volume 1 and 2 are still available. If so I would like a copy of each. Thanks Dave Bayless 1-530-613-5784 ,_._,_
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Re: FOR SALE - Southern Pacific Books
Dave Bayless
Hi Story: Just wondering if the books Southern Pacific Lines – Pacific Lines Stations Volume 1 and 2 are still available. If so I would like a copy of each. Thanks Dave Bayless 1-530-613-5784
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Storey Lindsay
Group,
Please note that all of these books are physically located in Slovenia, Europe. They are duplicates of those I already have. Postage is additional. I will ship worldwide. Airmail postage will be determined for individual purchases. Transit time is 4 to 6 weeks although shorter and longer times have happened. I only accept PayPal.
If you are interested, please contact me OFF LIST at – storey.lindsay@...
ITEM US$ PRICE The Southern Pacific 1901-1985 $35.00 Don L. Hofsommer Southern Pacific Steam Locomotive Compendium $65.00 Diebert / Strapac Tehachapi - Southern Pacific-Santa Fe $20.00 John R. Signor Diesels of the Espee, Volume One: Alco PAs $ 5.00 Roger M. Cortani Southern Pacific Lines – Maintenance of Way Equipment $20.00 Bruce R. Petty Southern Pacific Lines – Pacific Lines Stations Volume 1 $10.00 John R. Signor I have two extra copies, one book is in original shrink-wrap Southern Pacific Lines – Pacific Lines Stations Volume 2 $10.00 John R. Signor I have two extra copies, one book is in original shrink-wrap Southern Pacific Steam Switchers of the Pacific Lines $20.00 Gene Deimling Southern Pacific Company Equipment Circular No. 14 $ 5.00 Southern Pacific Lines Common Standard Plans Volume 4 $20.00
The Fabulous ‘50s – The Cars, The Culture $20.00 John A. Gunnell / Mary L. Sieber Book is in original shrink-wrap Cars of the Fabulous ‘50s $30.00 James M. Flammang
Thank you,
Storey Lindsay Celje, Slovenia
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Re: on the left, there is a B&O gon
rwitt_2000
It is very blurry upon enlargement, but my guess is they are Tatum arch bar trucks. J. J. Tatum was The General Superintendent of the Car Department for the B&ORR. I can't find a photo, but have included the patent drawing for the truck side frame. He also created the wagon-top design, the raised roof for the class M-27 automobile boxcar, ladders, slack adjusters, box car doors, hopper heap shields, covered gondola, etc., etc.
Tatum thought to the end that the arch bar was the best solution as they were so easy to repair. Bob Witt
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Re: Andrews trucks was correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
Rod Miller
On 9/11/18 2:33 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
My experience with re-springing several 1:48 X-10-X steam locosSpeaking of Andrews trucks, I'm curious if there are any options for Andrews trucks with real springs that roll freely.What are called "real springs" may in fact be springs that COULD work, but in fact do not, unless car weight is several ounces or more. For some specifics on actual prototype trucks and what they look like, you may wish to look at my article in _Model Railroad Hobbyist_ in the issue for September 2016, which is available to read or download, for free, at any time, at their website, www.mrhmag.com <http://www.mrhmag.com> . Your call. is that it takes about 8 pounds of weight to compress 10 .015" wire diameter springs so the the engine weight will "float" on the springs. For a simplistic approach, assume .015 approximates the diameter of truck springs in HO scale. With 5 springs per truck you have 20 springs, so the car would have to weigh 16 pounds to "float" on its springs. -- Rod Miller Handcraftsman === Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives, | O Scale/S Scale West/Narrow Gauge West Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More | 2019 O Scale National Convention http://www.rodmiller.com | 2019 Dates Are May 23 - 25 | http://www.oscalewest.com
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Calling Guy Wilbur
Bill Welch
Guy, your email address has gone astray on my end. Please email at fgexbill(at)tampabay.rr.com
I have an Auto Rack question for you. thank you Bill Welch
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Re: Andrews trucks was correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
John, The old Lindberg, later E&B, Andrews trucks - being offered once again (possibly the C+D Line, mentioned by Mike Sshleigh) were my favorite sprung trucks. The springs were very soft on these trucks and you could actually see them compress as the car was loaded. I used to fit them with Kadee wheelsets to make them the most free-rolling and best tracking trucks I could find at that time.Today, the cars so fitted remain among the best running cars on my layout, but I am now equipping my fleet with the better looking solid trucks available today. Jim Kubanick Morgantown WV
On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 5:48 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote: Some time ago, there was a thread about the pros and cons of metal springs in HO trucks, and the consensus was that sprung trucks look toy-like (my word) compared
to trucks without metal springs because the springs are loosely coiled and are see-though. As I recall Richard Hendrickson lead the rebellion against sprung trucks, since they in no way resemble the spring packages of prototype trucks. Some with an investment
in sprung trucks glued a piece of black painted plastic behind the springs in an effort to block the see-though effect. Kadee is moving away from sprung trucks for new issues for this very reason. Perhaps the most prototypically faithful trucks available currently
are those from Tahoe Model Works, and they do not have metal springs.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 3:13 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Andrews trucks was correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?) The old C+D truck line has a new owner via email [jmcncorp@...]. The previous owner supplied wheels at 0.100 and 0.088 inch width and this MAY still be an option. The new company
has an ad in the August issue of the NMRA Magazine. These are sprung trucks in three styles and two colors. They are very free rolling with the Intermountain wheels and axles. I cannot speak to the veracity of these trucks meeting any particular prototypes.
Mike Schleigh in very wet Grove City, Penna.
On Tuesday, September 11, 2018, 3:36:18 PM EDT, john oseida via Groups.Io <xseinc@...> wrote:
Speaking of Andrews trucks, I'm curious if there are any options for Andrews trucks with real springs that roll freely.
Regards, John Oseida Oakville, ON On Tuesday, September 11, 2018, 1:33:42 p.m. EDT, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:
To follow up on TMW trucks, it is possible to buy the trucks without wheel sets at $3.75 per pair and install
your own wheels. I use Intermountain wheels. TMW doesn’t list that option on the order form, but just cross out the $8.35 per pair and specify that you want just the side frames. Shipping is a very reasonable $3 .50 per order.
Nelson Moyer
From:
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On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:22 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?) Hello Doug,
many thanks for your note. Westerfield has them listed, when I am at home I will try to order them.
Yes, Accurail trucks usually are nicely detailed and run very well, but unfortunately the brake shoes are not
in gauge with the wheels, so there would be some work involved.
Many greetings
Johannes
Gesendet: Dienstag,
11. September 2018 um 15:10 Uhr
Von: "Douglas Harding" <doug.harding@...> An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?) If you can’t find the Tahoe trucks Nelson mentioned, look at the Accurail Andrews
trucks. They are a very nice looking, inexpensive and when equipped with wheelsets from Intermoutain or Reboxx they roll very well.
Doug Harding
From:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 8:07 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?) Hello Nelson,
MANY THANKS for your comprehensive reply! So I will use Andrews trucks on both cars, definitely. I am modeling
the early POST-war years (I am sorry for the mistakenly written pre-war in my original post!) - the reweigh date on the cars is 8-48.
>> If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars,
do you really want to model an anomaly? <<
No, not really. If I model an anomly it at least must have the proof to be accurate - which in this case wouldn't
be.
Many thanks again!
Johannes
Gesendet: Dienstag,
11. September 2018 um 14:51 Uhr
Von: "Nelson Moyer" <npmoyer@...> An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?) It depends upon what date(s) you intend to represent. SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars were built between 1926 and
1928, and they originally received arch bar trucks, but they received Andrews trucks before the arch bar ban for interchange. Since your cars have AB brakes, they would also have Andrews trucks. All photos of SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars I’ve seen show Andrews
trucks. Later classes of CB&Q stock cars got Barber double truss lateral motion, Barber S-2A, ASF A-3 ride control, or Scullin self-aligning spring plankless trucks, but here is no evidence that I’m aware of where these trucks were ever used on SM-18 or SM-18A
stock cars, which were retired in the late 1960s and early 1970s. A few cars lasted into the BN era. It also depends upon how strictly you wish to model the prototype. If you’re fudging other things, you may use whatever trucks you wish to use without regard
for the prototype. If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? I have 24 SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars at present, and all roll very well on Tahoe Model Works
Andrews trucks. Bottom line for you is the decision whether or not to be true to the prototype, or freelance.
Nelson Moyer
From:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 2:52 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?) Hello friends,
I have two CB&Q SM-18 stock cars needing new trucks for acceptable rolling ability. The current trucks are Andrews which I guess are entirely accurate for the cars. But would it also be accurate to equip one car with a different type of trucks? I just like to see some kind of difference on several cars of the same class. The cars represent a pre-WWII version with AB brakes. Many thanks for any information Johannes
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Re: correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
Nelson Moyer
Johannes, Ich weis nicht das Sie im Deutschland leben. That’s about all the German I remember so time to switch to English. I buy the side frames because it’s cheaper than buying trucks with wheel sets when I can buy Intermountain wheels by the 100 pack at discount prices. I appreciate Brian clarifying the prices, as there have probably been increases since I last ordered.
With respect to ribbed back wheels, they were indeed used, and Walthers sells them, however they are not turned steel, and they will accumulate gunk and spread it around on the rails. My experience with Athearn, Kadee, etc. sintered wheels is poor regarding keeping wheels and track clean.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 3:41 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
Many thanks, Nelson,
but
>> Shipping is a very reasonable $3 .50 per order. <<
this will be a little more to Germany ;-) Furthermore very likely no difference either with or without wheelsets. Since I don't have (useable) spare wheelsets I have to order with them. I intended to ask what's wrong with the TAHOE wheelsets, but Brian Leppert thankfully already mentioned that the trucks have Intermountain wheelsets.
Many greetings
Johannes, also considering Kadee wheelsets because of their ribbed back side, which very likely were used on these stock cars...
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018 um 19:33 Uhr To follow up on TMW trucks, it is possible to buy the trucks without wheel sets at $3.75 per pair and install your own wheels. I use Intermountain wheels. TMW doesn’t list that option on the order form, but just cross out the $8.35 per pair and specify that you want just the side frames. Shipping is a very reasonable $3 .50 per order.
Nelson Moyer
From:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Hello Doug,
many thanks for your note. Westerfield has them listed, when I am at home I will try to order them. Yes, Accurail trucks usually are nicely detailed and run very well, but unfortunately the brake shoes are not in gauge with the wheels, so there would be some work involved.
Many greetings
Johannes
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018
um 15:10 Uhr If you can’t find the Tahoe trucks Nelson mentioned, look at the Accurail Andrews trucks. They are a very nice looking, inexpensive and when equipped with wheelsets from Intermoutain or Reboxx they roll very well.
Doug Harding
From:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Hello Nelson,
MANY THANKS for your comprehensive reply! So I will use Andrews trucks on both cars, definitely. I am modeling the early POST-war years (I am sorry for the mistakenly written pre-war in my original post!) - the reweigh date on the cars is 8-48.
>> If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? <<
No, not really. If I model an anomly it at least must have the proof to be accurate - which in this case wouldn't be.
Many thanks again!
Johannes
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. September 2018
um 14:51 Uhr It depends upon what date(s) you intend to represent. SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars were built between 1926 and 1928, and they originally received arch bar trucks, but they received Andrews trucks before the arch bar ban for interchange. Since your cars have AB brakes, they would also have Andrews trucks. All photos of SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars I’ve seen show Andrews trucks. Later classes of CB&Q stock cars got Barber double truss lateral motion, Barber S-2A, ASF A-3 ride control, or Scullin self-aligning spring plankless trucks, but here is no evidence that I’m aware of where these trucks were ever used on SM-18 or SM-18A stock cars, which were retired in the late 1960s and early 1970s. A few cars lasted into the BN era. It also depends upon how strictly you wish to model the prototype. If you’re fudging other things, you may use whatever trucks you wish to use without regard for the prototype. If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? I have 24 SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars at present, and all roll very well on Tahoe Model Works Andrews trucks. Bottom line for you is the decision whether or not to be true to the prototype, or freelance.
Nelson Moyer
From:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Hello friends,
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Re: Andrews trucks was correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
Nelson Moyer
Some time ago, there was a thread about the pros and cons of metal springs in HO trucks, and the consensus was that sprung trucks look toy-like (my word) compared to trucks without metal springs because the springs are loosely coiled and are see-though. As I recall Richard Hendrickson lead the rebellion against sprung trucks, since they in no way resemble the spring packages of prototype trucks. Some with an investment in sprung trucks glued a piece of black painted plastic behind the springs in an effort to block the see-though effect. Kadee is moving away from sprung trucks for new issues for this very reason. Perhaps the most prototypically faithful trucks available currently are those from Tahoe Model Works, and they do not have metal springs.
Nelson Moyer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 3:13 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Andrews trucks was correct trucks on CB&Q SM-18 stock cars (?)
The old C+D truck line has a new owner via email [jmcncorp@...]. The previous owner supplied wheels at 0.100 and 0.088 inch width and this MAY still be an option. The new company has an ad in the August issue of the NMRA Magazine. These are sprung trucks in three styles and two colors. They are very free rolling with the Intermountain wheels and axles. I cannot speak to the veracity of these trucks meeting any particular prototypes.
Mike Schleigh in very wet Grove City, Penna.
On Tuesday, September 11, 2018, 3:36:18 PM EDT, john oseida via Groups.Io <xseinc@...> wrote:
Speaking of Andrews trucks, I'm curious if there are any options for Andrews trucks with real springs that roll freely.
On Tuesday, September 11, 2018, 1:33:42 p.m. EDT, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:
To follow up on TMW trucks, it is possible to buy the trucks without wheel sets at $3.75 per pair and install your own wheels. I use Intermountain wheels. TMW doesn’t list that option on the order form, but just cross out the $8.35 per pair and specify that you want just the side frames. Shipping is a very reasonable $3 .50 per order.
Nelson Moyer
From:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Hello Doug,
many thanks for your note. Westerfield has them listed, when I am at home I will try to order them. Yes, Accurail trucks usually are nicely detailed and run very well, but unfortunately the brake shoes are not in gauge with the wheels, so there would be some work involved.
Many greetings
Johannes
Gesendet: Dienstag,
11. September 2018 um 15:10 Uhr If you can’t find the Tahoe trucks Nelson mentioned, look at the Accurail Andrews trucks. They are a very nice looking, inexpensive and when equipped with wheelsets from Intermoutain or Reboxx they roll very well.
Doug Harding
From:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Hello Nelson,
MANY THANKS for your comprehensive reply! So I will use Andrews trucks on both cars, definitely. I am modeling the early POST-war years (I am sorry for the mistakenly written pre-war in my original post!) - the reweigh date on the cars is 8-48.
>> If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? <<
No, not really. If I model an anomly it at least must have the proof to be accurate - which in this case wouldn't be.
Many thanks again!
Johannes
Gesendet: Dienstag,
11. September 2018 um 14:51 Uhr It depends upon what date(s) you intend to represent. SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars were built between 1926 and 1928, and they originally received arch bar trucks, but they received Andrews trucks before the arch bar ban for interchange. Since your cars have AB brakes, they would also have Andrews trucks. All photos of SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars I’ve seen show Andrews trucks. Later classes of CB&Q stock cars got Barber double truss lateral motion, Barber S-2A, ASF A-3 ride control, or Scullin self-aligning spring plankless trucks, but here is no evidence that I’m aware of where these trucks were ever used on SM-18 or SM-18A stock cars, which were retired in the late 1960s and early 1970s. A few cars lasted into the BN era. It also depends upon how strictly you wish to model the prototype. If you’re fudging other things, you may use whatever trucks you wish to use without regard for the prototype. If any SM-18 or SM-18A cars got any of these other trucks, it would be an anomaly, and with only two cars, do you really want to model an anomaly? I have 24 SM-18 and SM-18A stock cars at present, and all roll very well on Tahoe Model Works Andrews trucks. Bottom line for you is the decision whether or not to be true to the prototype, or freelance.
Nelson Moyer
From:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io]
On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Hello friends,
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