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Re: D8 Bulldozer as a Flat Car Load

Bill Welch
 

Thank you everyone for your responses. I have to admit with so many things to build the fact that the Artitech D7 is ready to put on a flat car deck is very appealing.

Bill Welch


Re: three character shots of a NYC gon

Tim O'Connor
 


Vulcan design sideframes cast by Symington-Gould (foundry stamp) made for ACF (?) whose
initials appear to be cast into the sideframe, for a NYC Lines order (name cast into the
trucks as well). They appear to be either L-section or T-section sideframes - both types
were outlawed (strictly restricted interchange) in 1957.

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-09-12-18/X5128.jpg

The hopper bottom gondola is pretty cool too! :-)



Great shot of a spring-planked Vulcan truck with ribbed-backed wheels.
 
Andy
 
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Re: Actual Burlington SM-18 cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Jack Mullen wrote:
"The SM-16s were covered in [Mainline Modeler] many years ago, with drawings and TWO construction articles iirc."

I wrote:
"Four parts: October 1991, November 1991, January 1992, May 1992."

Plus drawings in June 1991 and September 1991.


Ben Hom


Re: Actual Burlington SM-18 cars

Benjamin Hom
 

J. Stephen Sandifer posted:
http://sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun54a.pdf  
 
Unfortunately, no photo of the completed CB&Q model in the flyer.
 

Jack Mullen wrote:
"The SM-16s were covered in MM many years ago, with drawings and TWO construction articles iirc."

Four parts: October 1991, November 1991, January 1992, May 1992.


Ben Hom


Re: Actual Burlington SM-18 cars

Steve SANDIFER
 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jack Mullen
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Actual Burlington SM-18 cars

 

Ron,
No, not Mathers. With the similar SM-16 they were Burlington's standard stock car of the period between the wars. In lieu of proto photos, here's a liink to Rails Unlimited's O scale stock car page (scroll down a bit) with proto info and nice models. 
http://railsunlimited.ribbonrail.com/Models/special.html
  
The SM-16s were covered in MM many years ago, with drawings and TWO construction articles iirc.

Jack Mullen


Re: Actual Burlington SM-18 cars

mopacfirst
 

OK, I think I have enough to go on.  Seems to me I shot a few Q stock cars in KC around 1970, will have to check.  Probably not roster shots, just shots of a line of cars.

Thanks to all who responded.

Ron Merrick


three character shots of a NYC gon

David
 

NYC 339072 was built as CI&S 184072 (assuming the renumbering was done sequentially), Lot 204-G, and has received some work. The Vulcan trucks are replacements for L-section Andrews trucks, the inverse Murphy ends are replacements for plate ends with two vertical posts, the top chord and trapezoidal end sill are not original. The center side post has also been extended down to a crossbearer mounted below the center sill.

David Thompson


Re: Actual Burlington SM-18 cars

Jack Mullen
 

Ron,
No, not Mathers. With the similar SM-16 they were Burlington's standard stock car of the period between the wars. In lieu of proto photos, here's a liink to Rails Unlimited's O scale stock car page (scroll down a bit) with proto info and nice models. 
http://railsunlimited.ribbonrail.com/Models/special.html
  
The SM-16s were covered in MM many years ago, with drawings and TWO construction articles iirc.

Jack Mullen


Re: Actual Burlington SM-18 cars

Steve SANDIFER
 

The Burlington Bulletin No. 25, was dedicated to Stock Cars and Livestock Traffic of the Burlington. Pages 69-73  contain photos, Folio info and a scale drawing. “The SM-18 and 18A cars were company built copies of the SM-16s. All 500 SM-18s (56950-57449) were constructed in Aurora in 1926 while the 1,000 SM-18As (55950-56949) were turned out at Galesburg in 1926-27 (750 cars) and 1928 (250 cars). “

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Actual Burlington SM-18 cars

 

All this conversation about trucks under stock cars, and not a clue what the cars looked like.  All I ask is a number series, in at least the hope that some photos exist.

I pulled out my late friend Mike Spoor's CB&Q color guide, but all that's there are various SM-19 series.

I don't think these were Mather cars, were they?

Ron Merrick


Re: D8 Bulldozer as a Flat Car Load

Paul Koehler
 

Bill:

 

Yes I have built several of them (great model).  They are installed on my club’s layout; my memory tells me that they were over width for a load.  With blade attached it would require an over width permit.

 

Paul C. Koehler

 


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Subject: [RealSTMFC] D8 Bulldozer as a Flat Car Load

 

Can anyone give personal experience building the GHQ D8 Bulldozer? I am thinking of it as a flat car load. Curious if it builds into a nicely detailed model: https://www.ebay.com/i/192326959275?chn=ps

Thank you,
Bill Welch


Re: D8 Bulldozer as a Flat Car Load

Bruce Smith
 

Daniel, Bill,


One other alternative is the Wespe resin kit 87070, US Dozer "Le Tourneau" which is claimed in the instructions to be a "1936Cat RD-4 equipped with an R.G. LeTourneau XC4 Angledozer  blade attachment. The blade has overhead rigging like the GHQ.


Being resin, the Wespe weighs slightly more than the air it displaces, compared to the GHQ. I have yet to build it.  I have 2 GHQ D8s that I have yet to build as well, but the parts on all are nicely detailed. I look forward to building them and shipping a couple of new US Army (or maybe Navy SeaBee?) dozers and then one that has seen some heavy work.


 Rio Grande Models have a BEST Model 60 with blade and a CAT RD-8​. They also​ have some different cast metal construction loads.  I have a few of those!  http://www.riograndemodels.com/HO.htm   


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


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The only other possibilities are the old Canon RD8, not bad, but the tracks are undersized. The Woodland Scenics Cat is styled as a D8, but is about the size of a D6. First Gear offers an IH TD-25 which is decent. The best of the lot are some from Overland Models (“stretch” D8’s) and Classic Construction Models (modern D9 & D11), but these get very expensive. CCM’s D11 is about $400!

Daniel Mitchell
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On Sep 13, 2018, at 7:34 PM, Daniel A. Mitchell <danmitch@...> wrote:

Yes, it’s a fine little HO model ... there are two versions, with and without the blade. It’s the best D8 available in HO. Also consider the excellent D7 from Artitech, also in two versions (w/blade, & as a new tractor being delivered).

Dan Mitchell
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On Sep 13, 2018, at 6:22 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Can anyone give personal experience building the GHQ D8 Bulldozer? I am thinking of it as a flat car load. Curious if it builds into a nicely detailed model: https://www.ebay.com/i/192326959275?chn=ps

Thank you,
Bill Welch



Re: D8 Bulldozer as a Flat Car Load

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 9/13/2018 4:34 PM, Daniel A. Mitchell wrote:
Also consider the excellent D7 from Artitech, also in two versions (w/blade, & as a new tractor being delivered).

Also see if the Woodland Scenics Bulldozer Cat D-7 Tractor Kit HO D233 is still available!

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Actual Burlington SM-18 cars

mopacfirst
 

All this conversation about trucks under stock cars, and not a clue what the cars looked like.  All I ask is a number series, in at least the hope that some photos exist.

I pulled out my late friend Mike Spoor's CB&Q color guide, but all that's there are various SM-19 series.

I don't think these were Mather cars, were they?

Ron Merrick


Re: D8 Bulldozer as a Flat Car Load

Jeff
 

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 4:46 PM Daniel A. Mitchell <danmitch@tir.com> wrote:

The only other possibilities are the old Canon RD8, not bad, but the tracks are undersized. The Woodland Scenics Cat is styled as a D8, but is about the size of a D6. First Gear offers an IH TD-25 which is decent. The best of the lot are some from Overland Models (“stretch” D8’s) and Classic Construction Models (modern D9 & D11), but these get very expensive. CCM’s D11 is about $400!
For $400 that thing ought to excavate my front yard for landscaping as
well as look good on a flatcar.

--
Jeff Shultz
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Re: D8 Bulldozer as a Flat Car Load

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

The only other possibilities are the old Canon RD8, not bad, but the tracks are undersized. The Woodland Scenics Cat is styled as a D8, but is about the size of a D6. First Gear offers an IH TD-25 which is decent. The best of the lot are some from Overland Models (“stretch” D8’s) and Classic Construction Models (modern D9 & D11), but these get very expensive. CCM’s D11 is about $400!

Daniel Mitchell
===========

On Sep 13, 2018, at 7:34 PM, Daniel A. Mitchell <danmitch@...> wrote:

Yes, it’s a fine little HO model ... there are two versions, with and without the blade. It’s the best D8 available in HO. Also consider the excellent D7 from Artitech, also in two versions (w/blade, & as a new tractor being delivered).

Dan Mitchell
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On Sep 13, 2018, at 6:22 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Can anyone give personal experience building the GHQ D8 Bulldozer? I am thinking of it as a flat car load. Curious if it builds into a nicely detailed model: https://www.ebay.com/i/192326959275?chn=ps

Thank you,
Bill Welch



Re: D8 Bulldozer as a Flat Car Load

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Yes, it’s a fine little HO model ... there are two versions, with and without the blade. It’s the best D8 available in HO. Also consider the excellent D7 from Artitech, also in two versions (w/blade, & as a new tractor being delivered).

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Sep 13, 2018, at 6:22 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Can anyone give personal experience building the GHQ D8 Bulldozer? I am thinking of it as a flat car load. Curious if it builds into a nicely detailed model: https://www.ebay.com/i/192326959275?chn=ps

Thank you,
Bill Welch


Re: D8 Bulldozer as a Flat Car Load

Mitchell Mercante
 

Bill,

It does build up very nicely.  Mine sits on an L&N flatcar headed toward its next assignment.  I did spend a bit of time figuring out all the cabling that's only hinted at in the instructions.  Be advised though that it is really heavy so I hook mine up right behind the loco.  I'll send you a photo off group.

Mitch Mercante

On Thursday, September 13, 2018, 5:23:02 PM CDT, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:


Can anyone give personal experience building the GHQ D8 Bulldozer? I am thinking of it as a flat car load. Curious if it builds into a nicely detailed model: https://www.ebay.com/i/192326959275?chn=ps

Thank you,
Bill Welch


D8 Bulldozer as a Flat Car Load

Bill Welch
 

Can anyone give personal experience building the GHQ D8 Bulldozer? I am thinking of it as a flat car load. Curious if it builds into a nicely detailed model: https://www.ebay.com/i/192326959275?chn=ps

Thank you,
Bill Welch


Re: three character shots of a NYC gon

Andy Miller
 

Great shot of a spring-planked Vulcan truck with ribbed-backed wheels.

 

 

Andy

 

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Re: three character shots of a NYC gon

Rossiter, Mark W <Mark.Rossiter@...>
 

Interesting chalk marks on the first photo.

 

Mark Rossiter

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