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Re: Pirated resin parts on Ebay

G.J. Irwin
 

FWIW, eBay does have a process to block sale of infringing items.  It's called VERO for the Verified Rights Owner Program.  Most if not all of the companies that participate in this have gross revenues that are many times the size of the overall model railroad industry, so I don't know how helpful it would be,,,

George Irwin
"Content Provider Not Worth Pirating"


Litchfield & Madison gondola

Ted Culotta
 

I have finished the project car from the St. Louis RPM and have updated my blog with a post about it that can be accessed at the link below.

Cheers,
Ted

Ted Culotta
Speedwitch Media
P.O. Box 392, Guilford, CT 06437


Re: NSS gondolas.

Tim O'Connor
 


Richard DID make use of the Roundhouse cast metal 41 foot low side gondolas.

Could it be one of those? If not, Tyco and Mantua and AHM all made "40 foot"
gondolas. Perhaps Richard used those as kitbash fodder?

Tim O'Connor


 If one goes back far enough it could be from a cut down Athearn Blue Box 50-ft gon.
 Bob Witt
 P.S. Although I do recall Richard stating nothing could be built from this model.

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Pirated resin parts on Ebay

Doug Pillow
 

I think I saw these parts for sale on trainz auctions a couple of weeks ago
                                                                Doug Pillow


Re: NSS gondolas.

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Witt wrote:

If one goes back far enough it could be from a cut down Athearn Blue Box 50-ft gon.

P.S. Although I do recall Richard stating nothing could be built from this model.

   You must have misunderstood him. He had a two-part article in _Prototype Modeler_ about all the cars that could be built FROM this model. What he did often say is that the stock model has no prototype. You just gotta work with it <grin>. We even have a Shake 'n' Take model from that gondola.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: NSS gondolas.

rwitt_2000
 

If one goes back far enough it could be from a cut down Athearn Blue Box 50-ft gon.

Bob Witt

P.S. Although I do recall Richard stating nothing could be built from this model.


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Well said. Apology apparently not needed but appreciated. End of story.

Nice theme for Talk Like A Pirate Day 😏

Hope you share some photos of steam era freight car models you have!

Dave

Sent from Dave Bott's iPhone

On Sep 19, 2018, at 4:23 PM, Matthew Dowd <matt.dowd4@...> wrote:

The listings in questions have been removed and the request of the IP holders for these models have been honored. I apologize for the hassle this has created. 

As info, I was not the first entity to resell these molds. They were purchased from another, far more massive, eBay seller (Trainz) and I was simply trying to recover my costs for those that I didn't want to keep for personal use. I included as much information as I could gather about them (including manufacturers manes and specs) to ensure that the buyer was aware of the details, not with the intent to misrepresent them. There was never any malicious intent and this will serve as a formal apology to the community of resin freight car enthusiasts. 

As I mentioned directly to Mr. Oliver, I've learned my lesson and retreat with my tail between my legs. Thank you all for your time and dedication to this hobby. 

-Matthew Dowd


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

Peter Ness
 

One time several years ago I saw a New Haven item for sale on ebay.  The photo of the item was from my website!  Of course, the seller was selling a boxed item while the one in my photo is modified, so his picture no longer matched his item and as too many sellers do today, the “description” stated the photo was part of the description…

 

I notified the seller he could not use the photo and it was not accurate for what he was selling.  He was barely apologetic stating basically that he found it on the internet and didn’t think anything of it.  I notified ebay, pointing out the link to the photo on my website. The item was removed within an hour.  I don’t know if there were any repercussions to the seller from ebay.

 

Sounds like this seller responded in an appropriate manner.

 

Peter Ness

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pierre Oliver
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 3:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io; BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

 

Yes indeed.
The seller is in full apology mode. The pitchforks can be returned to the barn.
Thanks for the support everyone

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

On 9/19/18 3:08 PM, Marty McGuirk wrote:

Before everyone breaks out the pitchforks this guy did mention he was selling items from a collection he'd purchased.
I also just checked and he removed all the various resin, Westerfield, F&C etc.. and molds from his auction.
Thanks for pointing it out Pierre, and thanks for contacting him Bill since I think that did the trick.

Marty


On September 19, 2018 at 2:41 PM BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:

Can you report him to Ebay?

 

 

Thanks!
--
Brian Ehni

 

From: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io> on behalf of Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...>
Reply-To: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 12:55 PM
To: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io>, <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

 

Currently there are molds being sold by a seller on Ebay, dpm1929
These rubber molds are pirated from resin kits that the seller has no rights to be profiting from.
There are a mixed bag of Sunshine, Westerfield, F&C and Yarmouth Model Works parts being offered.
This copying goes beyond the "Fair use" of intellectual property rights.
PLease do not support this seller
Thanks

-- 
     
Pierre Oliver
     
www.elgincarshops.com
     
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
     


 


 

 


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

Matthew Dowd
 

The listings in questions have been removed and the request of the IP holders for these models have been honored. I apologize for the hassle this has created. 

As info, I was not the first entity to resell these molds. They were purchased from another, far more massive, eBay seller (Trainz) and I was simply trying to recover my costs for those that I didn't want to keep for personal use. I included as much information as I could gather about them (including manufacturers manes and specs) to ensure that the buyer was aware of the details, not with the intent to misrepresent them. There was never any malicious intent and this will serve as a formal apology to the community of resin freight car enthusiasts. 

As I mentioned directly to Mr. Oliver, I've learned my lesson and retreat with my tail between my legs. Thank you all for your time and dedication to this hobby. 

-Matthew Dowd


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

Pierre Oliver
 

Yes indeed.
The seller is in full apology mode. The pitchforks can be returned to the barn.
Thanks for the support everyone

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 9/19/18 3:08 PM, Marty McGuirk wrote:

Before everyone breaks out the pitchforks this guy did mention he was selling items from a collection he'd purchased.
I also just checked and he removed all the various resin, Westerfield, F&C etc.. and molds from his auction.
Thanks for pointing it out Pierre, and thanks for contacting him Bill since I think that did the trick.

Marty

On September 19, 2018 at 2:41 PM BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:

Can you report him to Ebay?

 

 

Thanks!
--
Brian Ehni

 

From: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io> on behalf of Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...>
Reply-To: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 12:55 PM
To: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io>, <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

 

Currently there are molds being sold by a seller on Ebay, dpm1929
These rubber molds are pirated from resin kits that the seller has no rights to be profiting from.
There are a mixed bag of Sunshine, Westerfield, F&C and Yarmouth Model Works parts being offered.
This copying goes beyond the "Fair use" of intellectual property rights.
PLease do not support this seller
Thanks

-- 
     
Pierre Oliver
     
www.elgincarshops.com
     
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
     

 

 


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

Marty McGuirk
 

Before everyone breaks out the pitchforks this guy did mention he was selling items from a collection he'd purchased.
I also just checked and he removed all the various resin, Westerfield, F&C etc.. and molds from his auction.
Thanks for pointing it out Pierre, and thanks for contacting him Bill since I think that did the trick.

Marty

On September 19, 2018 at 2:41 PM BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:

Can you report him to Ebay?

 

 

Thanks!
--
Brian Ehni

 

From: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io> on behalf of Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...>
Reply-To: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 12:55 PM
To: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io>, <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

 

Currently there are molds being sold by a seller on Ebay, dpm1929
These rubber molds are pirated from resin kits that the seller has no rights to be profiting from.
There are a mixed bag of Sunshine, Westerfield, F&C and Yarmouth Model Works parts being offered.
This copying goes beyond the "Fair use" of intellectual property rights.
PLease do not support this seller
Thanks

-- 
     
Pierre Oliver
     
www.elgincarshops.com
     
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
     


 

 


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

In this case it seems the seller knew what he was doing and is complying. I wonder, though, if the seller contested this with the complainant and ebay would you be required to prove they were pirated items? Couldn't this get into a very expensive and hostile situation legally?

Pierre, thanks for getting this guy stopped. It's not right to steal someone's hard work.
 
Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works



From: Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...>
To: ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

Already done,
and the seller as emailed me and apologized and is addressing the issue
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 9/19/18 2:41 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:
Can you report him to Ebay?
 
 
Thanks!
--
Brian Ehni
 
From: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io> on behalf of Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...>
Reply-To: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 12:55 PM
To: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io>, <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay
 
Currently there are molds being sold by a seller on Ebay, dpm1929
These rubber molds are pirated from resin kits that the seller has no rights to be profiting from.
There are a mixed bag of Sunshine, Westerfield, F&C and Yarmouth Model Works parts being offered.
This copying goes beyond the "Fair use" of intellectual property rights.
PLease do not support this seller
Thanks
-- 
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com




Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

Pierre Oliver
 

Already done,
and the seller as emailed me and apologized and is addressing the issue

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 9/19/18 2:41 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:

Can you report him to Ebay?

 

 

Thanks!
--
Brian Ehni

 

From: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io> on behalf of Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...>
Reply-To: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 12:55 PM
To: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io>, <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

 

Currently there are molds being sold by a seller on Ebay, dpm1929
These rubber molds are pirated from resin kits that the seller has no rights to be profiting from.
There are a mixed bag of Sunshine, Westerfield, F&C and Yarmouth Model Works parts being offered.
This copying goes beyond the "Fair use" of intellectual property rights.
PLease do not support this seller
Thanks

-- 
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

 

Can you report him to Ebay?

 

 

Thanks!
--
Brian Ehni

 

From: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io> on behalf of Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...>
Reply-To: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 12:55 PM
To: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io>, <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

 

Currently there are molds being sold by a seller on Ebay, dpm1929
These rubber molds are pirated from resin kits that the seller has no rights to be profiting from.
There are a mixed bag of Sunshine, Westerfield, F&C and Yarmouth Model Works parts being offered.
This copying goes beyond the "Fair use" of intellectual property rights.
PLease do not support this seller
Thanks

-- 
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: Pirated resin parts on Ebay

Bill Welch
 

I just sent the seller the following message: "You state you do not know the source of these rubber molds you are selling and therefore you do not know if the person that created them had the right to make them. I suspect that someone has copied the kits from the companies you name and that they did not have permission to copy them. You would do justice to those companies involved by checking the Provenance of such items before offering them for sale."
 
Bill Welch


Pirated resin parts on Ebay

Pierre Oliver
 

Currently there are molds being sold by a seller on Ebay, dpm1929
These rubber molds are pirated from resin kits that the seller has no rights to be profiting from.
There are a mixed bag of Sunshine, Westerfield, F&C and Yarmouth Model Works parts being offered.
This copying goes beyond the "Fair use" of intellectual property rights.
PLease do not support this seller
Thanks

-- 
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: NSS gondolas.

Bill Welch
 

Styrene or resin? Walthers (or Westy) USRA mill gon? Maybe a Bowser PRR gon done as NSS?

Bill Welch


Re: NSS gondolas.

Brian Carlson
 

Thanks Tim. In lieu of other information that was what I assumed.

Also, I was asked off list what model Richard used to model the car, and I am not really sure of the Provenance of the model. Any guess? A photo is attached. (Sorry it’s a work cradle, not layout shot )


Brian J. Carlson

On Sep 17, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:


The photos I have of NSS gondolas show the brake hose perfectly in line
(seen from the side) with the middle of the coupler. Since the couplers
emerge from the end sill, the hoses just emerge from a hole in the end sill.

Tim O'


Re: ZU eave roofs (was NYRB Ventilated cars mysteries)

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 01:01 PM, rwitt_2000 wrote:
In fact the B&O 40-ft box cars kits for M-66 and M-67 had a IH of 10'-0" and so stenciled.
I think that Tim is remembering seeing a sectional view of the pressed "ZU" side plate, and noticed it is taller than the typical Z bar eave. However, there were roof panels meant to rivet to the Z bar manufactured with a couple different dimensions of the upright leg, and there were also custom pressed Z plates with a taller than normal flange; I believe some road had 10'-8" IH cars built this way.

To my mind, the significant feature of the "overhanging" roof panels is that both heads of the attachment rivets are outside the car. I doubt repairing cars under load was a big consideration, but when it came to insulated cars, that feature meant that roofs could be repaired without removing the lining and insulation to access the rivet heads that would otherwise be inside the car. The labor savings would be significant. 

When one looks at drawings of some of the first steel reefers from the thirties, one finds this was originally accomplished by riveting an angle to the upper flange of the standard Z bar used as the side plate, then riveting the roof panels to the angle. The custom pressed "ZU" section came later.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Resin Carving to get a NC&StL AC&F 1916 36-ft SS model

Bill Welch
 

It might be helpful to identify all of the differences I see for the AC&F built car: Sill Step attachment (car side instead of on the bottom edge of the sill); lower door support (Claws instead of  continuous door track); door stop location and type; strap across braces to the right of the door;  poling flanges instead of poling pockets; two additional vertical posts on the ends; ladder grabs attached to posts on sides and ends; interior ends of ladder grabs inline w/attachment bolts instead of under; attachment point for retainer valve; and no brake step w/ handbrake ratchet/pawl attached to the roof. I also plan to correct the Hutchins roof by carving in little "V" crease on the very end of the roof ribs.

Bill Welch

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