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Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

Peter Ness
 

One time several years ago I saw a New Haven item for sale on ebay.  The photo of the item was from my website!  Of course, the seller was selling a boxed item while the one in my photo is modified, so his picture no longer matched his item and as too many sellers do today, the “description” stated the photo was part of the description…

 

I notified the seller he could not use the photo and it was not accurate for what he was selling.  He was barely apologetic stating basically that he found it on the internet and didn’t think anything of it.  I notified ebay, pointing out the link to the photo on my website. The item was removed within an hour.  I don’t know if there were any repercussions to the seller from ebay.

 

Sounds like this seller responded in an appropriate manner.

 

Peter Ness

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pierre Oliver
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 3:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io; BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

 

Yes indeed.
The seller is in full apology mode. The pitchforks can be returned to the barn.
Thanks for the support everyone

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

On 9/19/18 3:08 PM, Marty McGuirk wrote:

Before everyone breaks out the pitchforks this guy did mention he was selling items from a collection he'd purchased.
I also just checked and he removed all the various resin, Westerfield, F&C etc.. and molds from his auction.
Thanks for pointing it out Pierre, and thanks for contacting him Bill since I think that did the trick.

Marty


On September 19, 2018 at 2:41 PM BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:

Can you report him to Ebay?

 

 

Thanks!
--
Brian Ehni

 

From: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io> on behalf of Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...>
Reply-To: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 12:55 PM
To: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io>, <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

 

Currently there are molds being sold by a seller on Ebay, dpm1929
These rubber molds are pirated from resin kits that the seller has no rights to be profiting from.
There are a mixed bag of Sunshine, Westerfield, F&C and Yarmouth Model Works parts being offered.
This copying goes beyond the "Fair use" of intellectual property rights.
PLease do not support this seller
Thanks

-- 
     
Pierre Oliver
     
www.elgincarshops.com
     
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
     


 


 

 


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

Matthew Dowd
 

The listings in questions have been removed and the request of the IP holders for these models have been honored. I apologize for the hassle this has created. 

As info, I was not the first entity to resell these molds. They were purchased from another, far more massive, eBay seller (Trainz) and I was simply trying to recover my costs for those that I didn't want to keep for personal use. I included as much information as I could gather about them (including manufacturers manes and specs) to ensure that the buyer was aware of the details, not with the intent to misrepresent them. There was never any malicious intent and this will serve as a formal apology to the community of resin freight car enthusiasts. 

As I mentioned directly to Mr. Oliver, I've learned my lesson and retreat with my tail between my legs. Thank you all for your time and dedication to this hobby. 

-Matthew Dowd


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

Pierre Oliver
 

Yes indeed.
The seller is in full apology mode. The pitchforks can be returned to the barn.
Thanks for the support everyone

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 9/19/18 3:08 PM, Marty McGuirk wrote:

Before everyone breaks out the pitchforks this guy did mention he was selling items from a collection he'd purchased.
I also just checked and he removed all the various resin, Westerfield, F&C etc.. and molds from his auction.
Thanks for pointing it out Pierre, and thanks for contacting him Bill since I think that did the trick.

Marty

On September 19, 2018 at 2:41 PM BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:

Can you report him to Ebay?

 

 

Thanks!
--
Brian Ehni

 

From: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io> on behalf of Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...>
Reply-To: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 12:55 PM
To: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io>, <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

 

Currently there are molds being sold by a seller on Ebay, dpm1929
These rubber molds are pirated from resin kits that the seller has no rights to be profiting from.
There are a mixed bag of Sunshine, Westerfield, F&C and Yarmouth Model Works parts being offered.
This copying goes beyond the "Fair use" of intellectual property rights.
PLease do not support this seller
Thanks

-- 
     
Pierre Oliver
     
www.elgincarshops.com
     
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
     

 

 


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

Marty McGuirk
 

Before everyone breaks out the pitchforks this guy did mention he was selling items from a collection he'd purchased.
I also just checked and he removed all the various resin, Westerfield, F&C etc.. and molds from his auction.
Thanks for pointing it out Pierre, and thanks for contacting him Bill since I think that did the trick.

Marty

On September 19, 2018 at 2:41 PM BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:

Can you report him to Ebay?

 

 

Thanks!
--
Brian Ehni

 

From: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io> on behalf of Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...>
Reply-To: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 12:55 PM
To: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io>, <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

 

Currently there are molds being sold by a seller on Ebay, dpm1929
These rubber molds are pirated from resin kits that the seller has no rights to be profiting from.
There are a mixed bag of Sunshine, Westerfield, F&C and Yarmouth Model Works parts being offered.
This copying goes beyond the "Fair use" of intellectual property rights.
PLease do not support this seller
Thanks

-- 
     
Pierre Oliver
     
www.elgincarshops.com
     
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
     


 

 


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

In this case it seems the seller knew what he was doing and is complying. I wonder, though, if the seller contested this with the complainant and ebay would you be required to prove they were pirated items? Couldn't this get into a very expensive and hostile situation legally?

Pierre, thanks for getting this guy stopped. It's not right to steal someone's hard work.
 
Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works



From: Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...>
To: ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

Already done,
and the seller as emailed me and apologized and is addressing the issue
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 9/19/18 2:41 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:
Can you report him to Ebay?
 
 
Thanks!
--
Brian Ehni
 
From: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io> on behalf of Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...>
Reply-To: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 12:55 PM
To: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io>, <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay
 
Currently there are molds being sold by a seller on Ebay, dpm1929
These rubber molds are pirated from resin kits that the seller has no rights to be profiting from.
There are a mixed bag of Sunshine, Westerfield, F&C and Yarmouth Model Works parts being offered.
This copying goes beyond the "Fair use" of intellectual property rights.
PLease do not support this seller
Thanks
-- 
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com




Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

Pierre Oliver
 

Already done,
and the seller as emailed me and apologized and is addressing the issue

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 9/19/18 2:41 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:

Can you report him to Ebay?

 

 

Thanks!
--
Brian Ehni

 

From: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io> on behalf of Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...>
Reply-To: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 12:55 PM
To: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io>, <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

 

Currently there are molds being sold by a seller on Ebay, dpm1929
These rubber molds are pirated from resin kits that the seller has no rights to be profiting from.
There are a mixed bag of Sunshine, Westerfield, F&C and Yarmouth Model Works parts being offered.
This copying goes beyond the "Fair use" of intellectual property rights.
PLease do not support this seller
Thanks

-- 
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

 

Can you report him to Ebay?

 

 

Thanks!
--
Brian Ehni

 

From: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io> on behalf of Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...>
Reply-To: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 12:55 PM
To: <ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io>, <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] Pirated resin parts on Ebay

 

Currently there are molds being sold by a seller on Ebay, dpm1929
These rubber molds are pirated from resin kits that the seller has no rights to be profiting from.
There are a mixed bag of Sunshine, Westerfield, F&C and Yarmouth Model Works parts being offered.
This copying goes beyond the "Fair use" of intellectual property rights.
PLease do not support this seller
Thanks

-- 
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: Pirated resin parts on Ebay

Bill Welch
 

I just sent the seller the following message: "You state you do not know the source of these rubber molds you are selling and therefore you do not know if the person that created them had the right to make them. I suspect that someone has copied the kits from the companies you name and that they did not have permission to copy them. You would do justice to those companies involved by checking the Provenance of such items before offering them for sale."
 
Bill Welch


Pirated resin parts on Ebay

Pierre Oliver
 

Currently there are molds being sold by a seller on Ebay, dpm1929
These rubber molds are pirated from resin kits that the seller has no rights to be profiting from.
There are a mixed bag of Sunshine, Westerfield, F&C and Yarmouth Model Works parts being offered.
This copying goes beyond the "Fair use" of intellectual property rights.
PLease do not support this seller
Thanks

-- 
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: NSS gondolas.

Bill Welch
 

Styrene or resin? Walthers (or Westy) USRA mill gon? Maybe a Bowser PRR gon done as NSS?

Bill Welch


Re: NSS gondolas.

Brian Carlson
 

Thanks Tim. In lieu of other information that was what I assumed.

Also, I was asked off list what model Richard used to model the car, and I am not really sure of the Provenance of the model. Any guess? A photo is attached. (Sorry it’s a work cradle, not layout shot )


Brian J. Carlson

On Sep 17, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:


The photos I have of NSS gondolas show the brake hose perfectly in line
(seen from the side) with the middle of the coupler. Since the couplers
emerge from the end sill, the hoses just emerge from a hole in the end sill.

Tim O'


Re: ZU eave roofs (was NYRB Ventilated cars mysteries)

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 01:01 PM, rwitt_2000 wrote:
In fact the B&O 40-ft box cars kits for M-66 and M-67 had a IH of 10'-0" and so stenciled.
I think that Tim is remembering seeing a sectional view of the pressed "ZU" side plate, and noticed it is taller than the typical Z bar eave. However, there were roof panels meant to rivet to the Z bar manufactured with a couple different dimensions of the upright leg, and there were also custom pressed Z plates with a taller than normal flange; I believe some road had 10'-8" IH cars built this way.

To my mind, the significant feature of the "overhanging" roof panels is that both heads of the attachment rivets are outside the car. I doubt repairing cars under load was a big consideration, but when it came to insulated cars, that feature meant that roofs could be repaired without removing the lining and insulation to access the rivet heads that would otherwise be inside the car. The labor savings would be significant. 

When one looks at drawings of some of the first steel reefers from the thirties, one finds this was originally accomplished by riveting an angle to the upper flange of the standard Z bar used as the side plate, then riveting the roof panels to the angle. The custom pressed "ZU" section came later.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Resin Carving to get a NC&StL AC&F 1916 36-ft SS model

Bill Welch
 

It might be helpful to identify all of the differences I see for the AC&F built car: Sill Step attachment (car side instead of on the bottom edge of the sill); lower door support (Claws instead of  continuous door track); door stop location and type; strap across braces to the right of the door;  poling flanges instead of poling pockets; two additional vertical posts on the ends; ladder grabs attached to posts on sides and ends; interior ends of ladder grabs inline w/attachment bolts instead of under; attachment point for retainer valve; and no brake step w/ handbrake ratchet/pawl attached to the roof. I also plan to correct the Hutchins roof by carving in little "V" crease on the very end of the roof ribs.

Bill Welch


Resin Carving to get a NC&StL AC&F 1916 36-ft SS model

Bill Welch
 

Maybe a decade ago I had the late Joe Collias print the "Accident File" photos of the Terminal RR housed in St. Louis—cannot remember where. He was glad to do so since he automatically got a set of prints. Included were very good photos of the side and "B" end of NC&StL 15337, a 1916 AC&F built 36-foot SS car similar to a Fowler if not a true Fowler. The Westerfield kit of one version of the NC&StL's car was one of my first builds and makes a very pleasing and accurate model and at some point I had picked up an extra kit for $17.95 at "The Train Shop" in Santa Clara, CA back when they stocked every Westy kit. Always wanting to reduce my kit stash i pulled this kit out recently and started carving on in an attempt to match #15337.

One of the joys of resin as a modeling media is how easily it carves and for the most part this aspect has gone well. The exception has been trying to remove the Gusset Plates along the top of the side where the diagonal and vertical bracing converge. From the attached you can see my progress so far. I am going to try a little more sanding and filing and may try to use a very small amount of epoxy to fill my gouges but at some point I will declare "good enough for me" and focus on assembly and detailing.

On the side I have added a recessed Carriage Bolt to the base that where a Door Stop will be mounted. The recessed bolt allows the door to slide w/o snagging. I used 0.020 Styrene rod to make the base and then glue a rivet on the end. In this case I used a rivet harvested from an Athearn gondola. Note too that I have added a post on the right end where the grabs will be attached.

 

On the ends I have added two more Vertical Posts. An interesting detail on these cars is that fro the inside end of the grabs the mounting bolts are in-line with the grab so I have offset them to allow me to drill a hole next them instead of under them. This was true on the sides too.

The end casting had Poling Pockets but on the AC&F cars there is what I would characterize as a "Poling Flange." To make these I glued a section of 0.005 styrene in edge to a base of 0.005 styrene. After this set up overnight I cut this into several sections with extra length to act as a handle. Then I carefully dipped these into a small puddle of CA and positioned it on the sill and after the CA had set trimmed off the "handle." When cutting something this thin I always us a fresh single edge razor blade to guarantee a good cut. Then I added harvested rivets to mimic the attaching bolts.

 

I offer this in part because with so many kits out there of different cars there are no doubt something people can use to make a variation or version they want and therefore we should not be afraid to cut/carve/saw resin.


Bill Welch


Re: ZU eave roofs (was NYRB Ventilated cars mysteries)

rwitt_2000
 

Tim,

In fact the B&O 40-ft box cars kits for M-66 and M-67 had a IH of 10'-0" and so stenciled.




Bob Witt


Re: ZU eave roofs (was NYRB Ventilated cars mysteries)

Dennis Storzek
 

How so, Tim?

Dennis Storzek


Re: ZU eave roofs (was NYRB Ventilated cars mysteries)

Tim O'Connor
 


I always thought another reason for the preference was that you got an extra 1"
or so of interior height. Is that wrong?

Tim O'



Dennis Storzek wrote "ZU eaves were preferred on newly built insulated cars, because all the roof fasteners are external, and a roof can be repaired while the car is under load. It wasn't mandatory, however, and some RB's had the normal roof panels applied to Z bar eaves. The trade off was the car had to be unloaded and the ceiling opened up to repair a damaged roof."


 Dennis your comment is the first time I recall reading why there maybe a preference for "ZU" eaves.
 The B&O started using "ZU" eaves on box cars, non-insulated, with the kits ordered from ACF and P-S
 for their class M-66 and M-67, respectively.
 Thanks,
 Bob Witt


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: D8 Bulldozer as a Flat Car Load

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

I agree, with the possible explanation being that it’s  model of a modified tractor (see my earlier comment on this model). It’s obviously a D7 established by the hood shape. But it is too long. I surmise that it’s a model of a side-boom Cat stretched to make room for the boom and winch. It also sets too high on it’s tracks. So, my guess is i’s a side-boom Cat D7 with the boom removed. Maybe?

We have not discussed the side-boom tractors yet. They started as user modes fro pipeline-laying purposes. The factories picked up the modification and started offering them in various sizes and types. Somewhere along the line it dawned on folks that BIG ones could lift and carry damaged railroad cars. That TOTALLY changed how railroads deal with wrecks. Big side-boom D8 and D9 tractors are now the norm for most wreck service. Nowadays these are owned and operated by independent contracted companies "on call” to the railroads. These versatile machines have all but exterminated the big railroad wrecking cranes, as they can "attack” a wreck from multiple points at the same time, where RR cranes could only work from ends inward. Most wrecks can now be sufficiently removed as to “open the line” in a few hours (leaving a big mess to be cleaned up later).

The big side-boom tractors are now so common that they are cataloged separately in the manufacturers model listings .. though they are still based on highly modified standard tractors.

Overland built brass models of two Cat types in HO and O gauges … a “Union Pacific Wreckmaster” (with custom DC flatcar), and a more conventional side-boom cat.

Dan MItchell
==========

On Sep 17, 2018, at 7:24 PM, John Hagen via Groups.Io <sprinthag@...> wrote:

I hope most of the items will still be available under the new ownership.
CF has produced some excellent models at reasonable prices.
However, the “D7 Similar” crawler tractor ain’t one of them. The proportions are wrong. It does not look like any crawler I’ve ever seen, in life or in photos. The crawler itself is too long and the upper structure is too small. I is the only model of theirs that does not look “right.”
John Hagen
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Ness
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 5:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D8 Bulldozer as a Flat Car Load
 
Just to point out for more experienced and knowledgeable folks to visit and review, Custom Finishing (present-day Custom Finishes started by the late Bob Rzasa) produces a line of HO scale “maintenance” equipment including what is called a “D7 or similar” Dozer. Someone was looking for blades – there is a blade kit cataloged, but perhaps it’s a design that only exists in the future.
 
There are some parts/kits that are useful, including Hy-Rail wheel sets. Burro  cranes and Fairmont speeders. So it may be worth a browse to see if there are any items of interest.
 
Peter Ness



Re: D8 Bulldozer as a Flat Car Load

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

The model from Custom Finishing/Finishes does not accurately represent a normal Cat D7. It’s too long, and sets too high on it’s tracks. It probably is supposed to be a late-50’s D7, since it has the oddly shaped curved hood that only the D7 carried. One possible resolution is that it’s a user-modified tractor ... such things did occur. The tractors could also be purchased from the factory with modifications.

An excellent example of this are the “stretched” Cat D8s with custom elongated track-runs and frames built for arctic service. About 4-6 feet of length was added between the cab and the engine. This reduced their ground pressure and gave them better crevasse crossing ability. They pulled trains of large sleds to supply arctic scientific and military stations.

And even “standard” tractors came in a variety of user-selectable configurations.  Common variations were the length of the track-runs (plus or minus one track-roller), and the width of the track shoes. Longer and wider tracks give better ‘flotation’ on soft ground ... however they make the tractor slippery on hard ground, and reduce maneuverability. In most of their “D” sizes Caterpillar offers an “LGP” (Low Ground Pressure) model with big “feet” optimized for soft-ground use.

Other modifications are “high-rise” tractors where the chassis sets much higher on the track frames giving more ground clearance beneath. These are seen mostly in agricultural uses. In earlier days there were also “orchard tractors” where the operator sat on a seat behind the tractor rather than on top of it ... these again were for agricultural use, having reduced height for working beneath low-hanging fruit trees.

And the big side-by-side D8’s started as user mods that were later adopted by the factory.

The point being that these machines were highly customizable, both by the factory and the user.

P.S.: Two other HO Cat models have come to mind. Varney (later Life-Like) had a plastic Cat D7 that was correctly styled and sized, though VERY crude on detail (especially the tracks). Another D7 (sort-of) was from Dyna-Model in soft metal. The body wasn’t bad, but a bit too narrow, andt he tracks were also far too narrow. The result was a tractor only a bit over half the width of a scale D7.

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Sep 17, 2018, at 6:00 PM, Peter Ness <prness@...> wrote:

Just to point out for more experienced and knowledgeable folks to visit and review, Custom Finishing (present-day Custom Finishes started by the late Bob Rzasa) produces a line of HO scale “maintenance” equipment including what is called a “D7 or similar” Dozer. Someone was looking for blades – there is a blade kit cataloged, but perhaps it’s a design that only exists in the future.
 
There are some parts/kits that are useful, including Hy-Rail wheel sets. Burro  cranes and Fairmont speeders. So it may be worth a browse to see if there are any items of interest.
 
Peter Ness


Re: Those C&NW "X" Door cars again

ron christensen
 

This is funny.
When we were making the CNWHS Modeler we had a Q & A. Well we ran out of Qs so we started making them up.
As you see my name. What was missing from the original E mail was the correct answer as you have stated it.
The Q & A has long gone but leave it to the internet, things you think have been deleted are still out there somethere.
Ron Christensen
CNWHS Modeler

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