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Re: SP A-50-16 automobile cars

Tim O'Connor
 


Here is part of a page from the 1959 ORER showing many groups of 40 and 50 foot
box cars in XAP assignments. I know some of these are A-50-16's. I have a 1967
photo of SP 640217 (not shown on this page) which was an A-50-16. As you can see
only one entry is new, so as Tony pointed out this had been going on for a few
years already.

The Southern Pacific renumbering into the 600000's for special box car
assignments resulted in some cars being renumbered more than once, and being
given more than one number.

Note that DF loaders were special too, so cars were not all XAPs. SP numbered
brand new loader equipped cars (DF, CarPac, etc) into the 600000's as well, and
this included the new RBL's (insulated box cars).

Cars not specially assigned or equipped would be put back into their original
number series.

Tim O'Connor


 Gene Green wrote:
  My question is about the cars from this series NOT listed as being equipped to handle automobile engines.  Are they just being used as ordinary box cars by April 1950?  Would their class no longer be A-50-16?  Does anyone know what was SP's actual practice in using the cars NOT equipped to handle automobile engines?


  Todd Sullivan has already answered this. I cannot think of a case where SP changed car CLASS  because of assignment or special equipment. After 1956, car NUMBERS were often changed to reflect assigned service pools, but CLASS remained the same. Did other railroads change CLASS when special equipment was installed?
 Tony Thompson

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: wheels

Kemal Mumcu
 

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:15 AM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Kemal Mumcu wrote:

I would like to see .64 wheels produced in a cost effective way and then we can match the realism of our wheels with all the etched metal parts we put on our cars.

     In visual terms, this is correct, but there is another issue. The choice of the 0,088 tread width was really made as the smallest practical size that would also operate properly on NMRA trackwork. Anyone operating with 0.064 wheels will have to also rebuild (or replace with scratchbuilt) all trackwork to a scale standard. This standard exists, of course; it's called Proto87, and it looks magnificent. But it is NOT interchangeable with the trackwork we are used to.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history
 

You are correct Tony. This is also the path that P48 people tread. I've dabbled in P87, (I even converted recently my first steam engine to P87) but I feel I can't jump fully into P87 without more commercial support. The look of the finescales are beautiful but they require more dedication/money /tools/and time that even I'm not willing to invest in.

All that to say that after experimenting with P87 wheelsets, "semiscale" wheels look toylike in comparison.

Colin Meikle

 

 

 

 


Re: wheels

Tony Thompson
 

Kemal Mumcu wrote:

I would like to see .64 wheels produced in a cost effective way and then we can match the realism of our wheels with all the etched metal parts we put on our cars.

     In visual terms, this is correct, but there is another issue. The choice of the 0,088 tread width was really made as the smallest practical size that would also operate properly on NMRA trackwork. Anyone operating with 0.064 wheels will have to also rebuild (or replace with scratchbuilt) all trackwork to a scale standard. This standard exists, of course; it's called Proto87, and it looks magnificent. But it is NOT interchangeable with the trackwork we are used to.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: wheels

mopacfirst
 

That's the thing, there are lots of cars out there in my inventory, some I haven't seen for awhile.

Among the relatively few detail parts my LHS stocks are the Tahoe trucks (and the Kadee HGC trucks).  I buy some of them almost every time I come in, partly because I know I'll eventually upgrade a lot of the existing roster, and partly because I buy more because I know he'll restock.  I also know where the wheelsets in those trucks come from, because it's been discussed here, so I really don't care whether I buy the 100s or the 200s, because I also have an inventory of the .088 wheels from Intermountain.  For building new cars, I generally try to install the .088 wheels, and if I'm rehabbing a car that's come off the layout for some reason, I'll often change the wheelsets or the entire truck if I'm changing the couplers, which is my number one reason for upgrading or repairing a car.  This is primarily the replacement of #5s that don't center (say, in a Branchline draft gear box) with #58 whisker couplers in a new box.  If the trucks have to come off anyway, which is not always true, then I might as well upgrade the wheelsets also.

Or, there's the Athearn Airslide, which I have quite a few of because they were common in my area.  Beautiful cars, and even better with the Kohlberg decals, but Athearn's ancient truck.  Like lipstick on a pig, you can put nice wheelsets in it and it's still the old poorly detailed molding.  So I change them, but those truck screws, eeeccchhh!  I've even filed the kingpin hole a few thou larger to get a Tahoe truck to fit the Athearn deformed kingpin.  The coupler covers, even worse.  I use a small flat-blade screwdriver sometimes on those #0 or #00 Phillips head screws just to budge them.  I can usually drive them closed again with the right Phillips screwdriver, but I might still use the flat-blade on them just to see that they're properly tight.

For reference, I use the 88-safe frogs from Proto-87 stores in new construction.

Ron Merrick


Re: SP A-50-16 automobile cars

Gene Green <genegreen1942@...>
 

Thank you, Todd and Tony,
That was the sort of answer for which I was hoping.   I like the idea that a 50' double-door, box car could be used to haul a variety of loads.  

The only railroad about which I know anything at all is the M&StL which had 10 automobile cars, all used in exactly that service so far as I have been able to determine.  After the C&NW takeover, that might have changed.  I don't know.  The M&StL had, in the 1940s and 1950s about 3500 freight cars in interchange.  The M&StL had no car classes to my knowledge so, Tony, I can't answer your question.
Gene Green


Re: URTX 7567 Wood Refrigerator

gtws00
 

Great looking car Lester. Nice write up and tips on its construction in your blog.
Thanks for posting
George Toman


Re: wheels

Kemal Mumcu
 

I would like to see .64 wheels produced in a cost effective way and then we can match the realism of our wheels with all the etched metal parts we put on our cars.

Colin Meikle


Re: wheels

Lester Breuer
 

Jon a large fleet with the .110 wheels and a large inventory of the .110 to use.  Would be costly to change.  Currently, using the .088 on tank cars where quite visible.
Lester Breuer


Re: SP A-50-16 automobile cars

Tony Thompson
 

Gene Green wrote:

My question is about the cars from this series NOT listed as being equipped to handle automobile engines.  Are they just being used as ordinary box cars by April 1950?  Would their class no longer be A-50-16?  Does anyone know what was SP's actual practice in using the cars NOT equipped to handle automobile engines?

 Todd Sullivan has already answered this. I cannot think of a case where SP changed car CLASS  because of assignment or special equipment. After 1956, car NUMBERS were often changed to reflect assigned service pools, but CLASS remained the same. Did other railroads change CLASS when special equipment was installed?

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: wheels

James E Kubanick
 

I use the .088's on all new builds, but my overall fleet is too large for complete conversion. It will happen over time, however.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Sunday, September 23, 2018, 8:25:41 PM EDT, Jon Miller <atsfus@...> wrote:


    Not sure how to word this without sounding negative but it's not!  I'm just curious. All the work and extremely fine details  these various cars have they all seem to have .110 wheelsets.   Why not the .088?

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Paints

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

    I have been looking through all the Vallejo paint line.  They have a lot of washes and dirt paints.  Mostly colored for military vehicles like tanks.  Wonder if anyone has used any of these on underframes and various other places?  I did buy one, Vallejo Environment "mud and grass".  Looks really neat but not sure where to use it yet:-\!

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


wheels

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

    Not sure how to word this without sounding negative but it's not!  I'm just curious. All the work and extremely fine details  these various cars have they all seem to have .110 wheelsets.   Why not the .088?

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


URTX 7567 Wood Refrigerator

Lester Breuer
 

Time to reduce the plastic inventory.   I chose URTX 7567, a 5th Avenue Car Shops/Accurail, wood refrigerator to upgrade to start.  Upgrade includes milling running board, installing wire grabs and ladder rungs and ice bunker drains.  Adding and improving  “B” end details.  The photos and writeup are on my blog I started to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer

 


Re: SP A-50-16 automobile cars

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Gene,

Most western railroads had lots of 50ft DD boxcars that were unequipped and unassigned to special service.  They were often used for lumber, especially plywood loading, due to the easy access through the double doors. On the SP and UP, the cars would retain their original class designations and would be stenciled with them.  Any special uses were noted in the ORER notes and on waybills. Only occasionally were cars stenciled for special equipment and uses, and I think most of the ones I saw were from eastern railroads.  This was true through into the early 1960s when I was a yard clerk.

Todd Sullivan.


Re: Litchfield & Madison gondola

brianleppert@att.net
 

Ted mentions Simplex and Huntoon truck bolsters in his latest post.  So I drove up to the Western Pacific Railroad Museum in Portola, CA yesterday and photographed each.  These are both WP Andrews trucks.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


SP A-50-16 automobile cars

Gene Green <genegreen1942@...>
 

I am looking at photos of Southern Pacific double-door, all-steel, box cars numbers 66399, 66570 & 66625.  If I am reading correctly from what is stenciled on the cars, they are Class A-50-16 and built 12-47. 
 
I am also looking at the SP's entry in the April 1950 ORER.  These three cars are part of series 66175-66674, I believe.  This series is listed as "XM, Box."  Immediately below that entry is a second entry listing the cars as XAP, Auto, Note V."  Note V lists a number of cars equipped to handle automobile engines.  That all makes sense to me.  
 
My question is about the cars from this series NOT listed as being equipped to handle automobile engines.  Are they just being used as ordinary box cars by April 1950?  Would their class no longer be A-50-16?  Does anyone know what was SP's actual practice in using the cars NOT equipped to handle automobile engines?
Gene Green


F&C Reading box car question

Clark Propst
 

I’m building an F&C Reading box car XMv? I’m soldiering through the instructions (just have the brake components left). I like how they show a photo of the parts sheet with a letter/number code, but that’s it I’m afraid. Anyway, they appear to have painted their model all bcr. I’m wondering if the underframe should be black?
 
Thanks for any advice  ;  ))
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Zinc Pest was Re: Times have changed!

Rod Miller
 

Overland Models imported a 2-rail O scale 2-8-4 for various roads.
As with several OMI models, it had a cast "white metal" frame. Several
of these frames have rotted. I don't know when those models were
produced, nor where they were made. The 2-rail O scale SP GS-4s that
OMI imported in the early 80s (I have two) are fine.

In late 90s Weaver produced several troop sleepers in O scale (both
2- and 3-rail). They used a 'white metal" frame, many of which have rot.

--
Rod Miller
Handcraftsman
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Re: A tantalizer for Chicagoland RPM

Bill Keene
 

Pierre,

Thank you for the update on the AC&F box cars. I am looking forward to ordering s few of the MKT version.

Keep us posted.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Sep 22, 2018, at 10:06 AM, Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@elgincarshops.com> wrote:

http://elgincarshops.blogspot.com/2018/09/well-thats-one-done.html

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Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com




A tantalizer for Chicagoland RPM

Pierre Oliver
 

http://elgincarshops.blogspot.com/2018/09/well-thats-one-done.html

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Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

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