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Lisle Modeling Presentation Description

Bill Welch
 
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With The Chicagoland 2018 RPM at Lisle, IL approaching here is the title and description of the modeling presentation I am doing—Bill Welch

Modeling the AAR/ARA Standard Steel Boxcars in 1/87th Scale: Modifying and Improving ARA/AAR “Standard” Steel Boxcar Styrene Kits
It is well known that the 1932 ARA Standard Steel boxcar varied in terms of their details and while such variations were not as prevalent nor prominent with the 1937, 1937 Modified, and post war AAR Standard 40-foot Steel boxcars, there were subtle differences with these designs too. Using nine different models—Erie, I-GN, CIL, Southern, KO&G, WofA, Georgia, NYNH&H, and DL&W—this clinic will demonstrate ways to exploit these differences to create more accurate and interesting models in 1/87th scale. Kits from IMWX/Red Caboose; InterMountain, Atlas and Branchline are used to model their subtle variations.


Re: Jersey City, NJ--Grain pier [1917.09.20]

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 07:33 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:
The pulley guided the cable, which was attached to a motor outside the boxcar.
Doug,

Have you ever run into an account how these were actually operated? Was this a two man job? I've tried to dream up a scheme where the operator on the shovel could control either the winch or a clutch on the winch drum, and can't see any way of doing it without a second control line, which never shows in the photos... So I have to assume there was a second man outside the car running the winch, which doubles the labor cost.

Items of note in the photos:

In the original photo there is another of those swiveling pullies visible outside the open car door, positioned for when the power shovel is used in the other end of the car.

In the photo of the two men, the remnant of a "paper" (corrugated cardboard) grain door is visible on the door post, while there is an electric fan perched on top of the intact paper grain door behind them.



Dennis Storzek


Re: Ted Culotta's X29/ARA 1923 Steel Boxcar Modeling Handout—Trying to Find

jerryc52 <jerryc52@...>
 

I am one of those group lurkers who doesn't post but thoroughly enjoys following many of the threads. 

I think I have a copy of Ted's handout that Bill Welch is looking for. I've attached it below.

Jerry Clark


Re: Decal Set for Sunshine Models Kit No. 60.3 for Standard Brands Vinegar Tanker (Black Decals)

Schleigh Mike
 

Hello Again Group!

Several of you responded with some helpful suggestions to reproduce the lost lettering for the subject car.  Thank you!  While not yet resolved, I am on the scent of a possible unused set in an un-built kit.  If I find a set to scan, I may be back to those who offered to make a new set for me.  If help with that is needed, I'll be back.

I would like to clarify that I did not say that the decal set was not delivered with the kit shipped from Sunshine.  I simply did not find the decal sheet when I opened it a few days back.  I cannot say it was or was not there from the Springfield.  I may have lost it myself when I opened it recently or since I first received it.

Nothing I said should have been taken as disparaging of Sunshine or the Martin family.  I have always found Martin and Trisha friendly and gracious.  Whenever I spoke with Trisha, which was more than with Martin given his notoriety, I ALWAYS thanked her for the work she did to assist him in his hobby-turned-to-business venture.  She no doubt made possible much of the success of that venture and undoubtedly the success of the Naperville RPM gatherings.  She must have at times wondered what-in-the-world he had undertaken too.  No doubt, she sacrificed much to lend to his success.  May Martin rest in peace and may Trisha find peace in her final years.

Grateful Regards from Grove City, Penna.----Mike Schleigh

On Thursday, September 6, 2018, 7:25:07 PM EDT, Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io <mike_schleigh@...> wrote:


Hello Group!

I recently discovered my long-ago-purchased Sunshine Models Kit No. 60.3 for Standard Brands Vinegar Tanker (Black Decals) only to find that no decals were inside.  Is there a chance one of you have an extra set to spare?  If not, can anyone suggest a source for these with the 'RR Roman' style lettering.  Failing any help, I will venture a note to Trisha Martin.

Thanking in advance for your consideration.

Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna.


Re: Ted Culotta's X29/ARA 1923 Steel Boxcar Modeling Handout—Trying to Find

Bill Welch
 

Good news, Fenton did find the 2002 Document I was looking for, seven pages not the three pages my poor memory thought. I am going to check with Ted about sharing it.

Bill Welch


Re: Jersey City, NJ--Grain pier [1917.09.20]

Douglas Harding
 

The man shown in the Jersey City Grain Pier photo is using a power shovel or automatic shovel. As Eric pointed out, the device is pull by a cable to the door opening, pushing grain out the open door into a waiting hopper. A man was responsible for pulling it back into the car and shoving it down into the grain for the next pull. Attached is a photo of an automatic shovel being used in Grinnell Iowa. The pulley guided the cable, which was attached to a motor outside the boxcar. These shovels were used to unload grain, coal, and most any loose commodity put in boxcars. Another photo shows farmers using one to unload a boxcar in Idaho.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 6:30 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Jersey City, NJ--Grain pier [1917.09.20]

 

Eric,

I think this tool was pulled along and not pushed. A man might guide it from behind but I believe it was pulled along by the cable in the foreground that leads out the door. This would have eased unloading of bulk cargo once the cargo level dropped enough to stand in the car. I'm sure the tool would have been wrestled back to the car end to push more cargo to the door. Click on the link for Original Size to view the details better. Once the image loads, click on it to see the full size.

Note the door on the right is blocked by boards to keep the cargo from seeping out.

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

On September 26, 2018 at 4:16 PM Eric Lombard <elombard@...> wrote:

Hello Everyone...

Here is a photo from the Steam Town National Historic Park site. It is public domain. Lots of details of the process and the stencil over the open door is "B&O". Does the scraper-like device have a name (other than "back breaker")? There are additional photos of the external aspect of the Jersey City grain pier.

https://npgallery.nps.gov/AssetDetail/d3fb4aa9-c266-466a-942c-70dc2b089056?

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL


Ted Culotta's X29/ARA 1923 Steel Boxcar Modeling Handout—Trying to Find

David
 

Sounds like the last three pages of RPC #18.

David Thompson


Re: Flat Car Chains, Was: Poultry Car Tarps

Tony Thompson
 

Long loads would extend over a car end to another car. These chains and hooks would keep the paired cars together in case of accidental uncoupling. 

    You mean like when a train passes over a magnetic ramp?  <vbg>

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Milwaukee Rib Side Cars

StephenK
 

You may remember a discussion on this group (or maybe the old Yahoo! group) regarding the purchase of the old Ribside Cars tooling by Accurail.   Well, the first indication of what is happening regarding that has appeared.   Accurail has announced some kits for the Trainfest this November.  

I don't know anything more about this than is on the page, and I have no connection with Accurail.   But, I have built some of their kits, and used some of their parts, and am grateful that we have an outfit like them around!

http://www.accurail.com/accurail/trainfest.htm

Steve Kay


Re: Jersey City, NJ--Grain pier [1917.09.20]

earlyrail
 

It would be a back breaker if it was manual.
It is a power "shovel".  Note the cable/rope going out the door.

Howard Garner

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Re: Flat Car Chains, Was: Poultry Car Tarps

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 04:22 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:
Long loads would extend over a car end to another car. These chains and hooks would keep the paired cars together in case of accidental uncoupling. 
It was a MCB/ARA/AAR requirement to the end of the era of this list that where a load spanned two or more cars, the cars be chained together with safety chains, for just the reason Eric stated.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Jersey City, NJ--Grain pier [1917.09.20]

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 03:16 PM, Eric Lombard wrote:
Does the scraper-like device have a name (other than "back breaker")?
Power shovel comes to mind (note the cable to a winch outside the car.) The same sort of rig was used in underground mining to drag broken ore to the ore chute. While I'm sure steering the shovel was work, it was more work to drag it back to the end of the car for the next pull.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Jersey City, NJ--Grain pier [1917.09.20]

Eric Hansmann
 

Eric,

I think this tool was pulled along and not pushed. A man might guide it from behind but I believe it was pulled along by the cable in the foreground that leads out the door. This would have eased unloading of bulk cargo once the cargo level dropped enough to stand in the car. I'm sure the tool would have been wrestled back to the car end to push more cargo to the door. Click on the link for Original Size to view the details better. Once the image loads, click on it to see the full size.

Note the door on the right is blocked by boards to keep the cargo from seeping out.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On September 26, 2018 at 4:16 PM Eric Lombard <elombard@...> wrote:

Hello Everyone...

Here is a photo from the Steam Town National Historic Park site. It is public domain. Lots of details of the process and the stencil over the open door is "B&O". Does the scraper-like device have a name (other than "back breaker")? There are additional photos of the external aspect of the Jersey City grain pier.

https://npgallery.nps.gov/AssetDetail/d3fb4aa9-c266-466a-942c-70dc2b089056?

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL


Re: Flat Car Chains, Was: Poultry Car Tarps

Eric Hansmann
 

On September 26, 2018 at 4:22 PM Rod Miller <rod@...> wrote:

The chain and hook, apparently on both sides of the coupler,
on the flat car caught my eye. I speculate the car was used
in some sort of logging service where the chains would have
prevented a train break because of uncoupling on rough track.
Or were chains with hooks commonly used in some locations?

--
Rod Miller
Handcraftsman

=========================================


These end sill chains and hooks are common on some early 20th century flat cars and gondolas with drop ends. Long loads would extend over a car end to another car. These chains and hooks would keep the paired cars together in case of accidental uncoupling. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Flat Car Chains, Was: Poultry Car Tarps

Rod Miller
 

On 9/25/18 11:25 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:
In the background to the left in this photo is a poultry car with a tarp pulled up over the car roof:
_http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-09-14-18/X5144.jpg_
I assume the tarp was used to protect the birds from bad weather.
My questions are:
Who would have been responsible for deploying the tarp, the shipper's rider (if there was one) or the railroad?
Was their a tariff for using the tarp?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
The chain and hook, apparently on both sides of the coupler,
on the flat car caught my eye. I speculate the car was used
in some sort of logging service where the chains would have
prevented a train break because of uncoupling on rough track.
Or were chains with hooks commonly used in some locations?

--
Rod Miller
Handcraftsman
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Jersey City, NJ--Grain pier [1917.09.20]

Eric Lombard
 

Hello Everyone...

Here is a photo from the Steam Town National Historic Park site. It is public domain. Lots of details of the process and the stencil over the open door is "B&O". Does the scraper-like device have a name (other than "back breaker")? There are additional photos of the external aspect of the Jersey City grain pier.

https://npgallery.nps.gov/AssetDetail/d3fb4aa9-c266-466a-942c-70dc2b089056?

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL


Re: 2018 Collinsville Exhibitors

mopacfirst
 

Everybody seems to agree.  Thanks for replying.

And since I had bought some kits from him before this meet, I knew it was somebody I'd done business with. 

Ron Merrick


Re: 2018 Collinsville Exhibitors

 

I visited him on my way to a family reunion in August. Huge selection. Email is Bill Harris Classic Trains & Ferraris hdharris1@...

 

As he says, if his Ferrari is parked outside, he’s there.

 

 

Thanks!
--
Brian Ehni

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Eric Hansmann <eric@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 1:29 PM
To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 2018 Collinsville Exhibitors

 

I believe that was Classic Trains & Ferraris from Paducah, KY. No website.

Address:3125 Lone Oak Rd, Paducah, KY 42003

HoursOpen Closes 5PM

Phone:(270) 994-2555

 

 

He had a large number of out of production resin freight car kits. I picked up a long OOP B&O O-15 gondola kit that F&C once produced. The price was a bit on the high side but he did have it right there and he offered a 20% show discount. I bought another kit and the discount made it all worthwhile.

 

YMMV.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

On September 26, 2018 at 12:14 PM mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

Who was the exhibitor at the north end, first row away from the wall, across from the MPHS exhibit?

Had plenty of steam era freight cars that I might be in need of.  Lots of resin and craftsman kits.

Ron Merrick


Re: 2018 Collinsville Exhibitors

Douglas Harding
 

Ron are you thinking of Bill Harris of Classic Trains & Ferraris? He has a facebook page https://www.facebook.com/Classic-Trains-Ferraris-714160895331514/

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of mopacfirst
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 1:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] 2018 Collinsville Exhibitors

 

Who was the exhibitor at the north end, first row away from the wall, across from the MPHS exhibit?

Had plenty of steam era freight cars that I might be in need of.  Lots of resin and craftsman kits.

Ron Merrick


Re: 2018 Collinsville Exhibitors

Eric Hansmann
 

I believe that was Classic Trains & Ferraris from Paducah, KY. No website.

Address:3125 Lone Oak Rd, Paducah, KY 42003
HoursOpen⋅ Closes 5PM
Phone:(270) 994-2555
 

He had a large number of out of production resin freight car kits. I picked up a long OOP B&O O-15 gondola kit that F&C once produced. The price was a bit on the high side but he did have it right there and he offered a 20% show discount. I bought another kit and the discount made it all worthwhile.

YMMV.
 
 
 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


 

On September 26, 2018 at 12:14 PM mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

Who was the exhibitor at the north end, first row away from the wall, across from the MPHS exhibit?

Had plenty of steam era freight cars that I might be in need of.  Lots of resin and craftsman kits.

Ron Merrick

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