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Re: M&STL leased URTX 4685

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Check out your blog, Lester and noted the reference to Train Shed 81 for specs.  That is useful – I have a copy and will go dig it out.

 

And BTW, the car is a great job!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lester Breuer
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2018 1:11 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] M&STL leased URTX 4685

 

One less wood refrigerator in inventory.   I chose M&STL leased URTX 4685 wood  refrigerator, a 5th Avenue Car Shops/Accurail kit to assemble and upgrade.  Upgrade includes milling running board, installing wire grabs and ladder rungs and ice bunker drains.  Adding and improving  “B” end details.  The photos and writeup are on my blog I started to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer


Re: Coupler lift bars.

Gary McMills
 

Plano makes a selection of coupler lift bars.

Gary McMills


 

On 2018-10-01 14:46, mopacfirst wrote:

The Tangent lift bars are very nice, but the coupler pocket end is designed to fit into a hole in the pocket cover.  Could be dealt with, but the Tangent parts are hard steel and don't bend or cut easily.

I'd buy more of the Tangent, but I'd prefer something like the DA as first choice.

Ron Merrick


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Re: M&STL leased URTX 4685

O Fenton Wells
 

Looking good, Lester
Well done

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 7:07 PM Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:
Fenton  Thank You.  It actually was weathered lightly with Pan Pastel black on the roof and a light brown eye shadow makeup on the sides; however, the lighting for the photo makes it appear as no weathering applied.  I may go back and apply more weathering to have it view better.
Lester Breuer



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Pinehurst NC 28374
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Re: Flatcar Load: Conning Tower Tube

CJ Riley
 

I am aware of the modern nomenclature but it's the same thing.


Re: M&STL leased URTX 4685

Lester Breuer
 

Fenton  Thank You.  It actually was weathered lightly with Pan Pastel black on the roof and a light brown eye shadow makeup on the sides; however, the lighting for the photo makes it appear as no weathering applied.  I may go back and apply more weathering to have it view better.
Lester Breuer


Re: Flatcar Load: Conning Tower Tube

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Ben, et al.,
 
Additionally, some deck guns, particularly the 5”/25, were made of a rust-resistant steel and pressure tight fittings, but we digress . .
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Benjamin Hom
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 6:06 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Flatcar Load: Conning Tower Tube
 
BIll Welch asked:
"I have always wondered how they kept the deck guns in condition to shoot given Salt Water=Rust/Corrosion"
 
Simple.  Gunners' Mates doing lots of maintenance, both preventive and corrective, plus practicing with them regularly.  Now back to freight cars.
 
 
CDR Ben Hom
US Navy Surface Warfare Officer, 1989-2017


Re: White toner

Dave Parker
 

Gene:

The Ghost cartridges were discussed here on at least two prior occasions.   Try searching the archives for "ghost".  And yes, they make very nice decals.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: Flatcar Load: Conning Tower Tube

Benjamin Hom
 

BIll Welch asked:
"I have always wondered how they kept the deck guns in condition to shoot given Salt Water=Rust/Corrosion"

Simple.  Gunners' Mates doing lots of maintenance, both preventive and corrective, plus practicing with them regularly.  Now back to freight cars.


CDR Ben Hom
US Navy Surface Warfare Officer, 1989-2017


Re: Flatcar Load: Conning Tower Tube

Bill Welch
 

Dan, I have always wondered how they kept the deck guns in condition to shoot given Salt Water=Rust/Corrosion

Now awaiting to be jailed for asking non-freight car question.

Bill Welch


Re: BREX Reefer Ladders

Bill Welch
 

I just looked at one of my improved Accurail reefers modeled for BREX. This one was done in my pre-ladder improvement period. For these car I used the eight-rung Detail West ladders trimmed for the appropriate length for ends and sides.

This model is based on the cars built by BRE and their two subsidiaries Colorado Southern and Fort Worth & Denver. It is basically the proposed USRA reefer but never built by the USRA.

Bill Welch


Re: Flatcar Load: Conning Tower Tube

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

“Uninitiated” for sure.

The correct term today is “sail”. It serves to house the upper end of the sub’s periscopes and retractable antennae, and as an observation point while the sub is surfaced. On many recent subs it also mounts the sub’s forward diving planes, but the most recent subs again mount these back on the hull. Sails are getting smaller, and may disappear altogether on future subs.

The modern sub is conned from inside the main hull at the base of the sail, though a watch crew may be on duty atop the sail when surfaced.

In WWi and WWII subs there was usually a small pressure-protected chamber mounted above the main pressure-hull that was the control-room. This was the location from which the sub was conned, so could be said to be the “conning tower". A sheet-metal shed containing it was part of the sub’s visible superstructure when surfaced, a sort-of deck-house. As on a modern sub, it helped house the retracted periscope. It also usually carried radio antennae, various small anti-aircraft guns, and provided a location for the lookouts and deck crew when the sub was surfaced. It also had one or more watertight hatches that could be used to pass ammunition to the crew of any deck-guns if so fitted (forward or aft of the conning tower, on the main hull’s deck).

In WWI and early WWII subs often surfaced to attack unarmed ships with deck-guns. It was a lot cheaper than using torpedos. During WWII it became far more dangerous for a sub to surface … mainly due to radar and aircraft patrols. By the end of WWII deck-guns were largely out of favor as torpedo attacks became more effective. The guns also caused a lot of turbulence (drag and noise) when the subs were running submerged. Gradually the subs were streamlined to improve underwater speed and make them quieter (harder to detect). The subs were now far more effective when submerged, and the guns were more trouble then they were worth. When nuclear-powered subs were developed, submarines rarely surface at all so deck-guns became worthless.

Dan Mitchell
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On Oct 1, 2018, at 3:58 PM, CJ Riley via Groups.Io <cjriley42@...> wrote:


Gee, I regularly watch the "boomers" (missile subs) pass by on the way to Bangor WA and they all have what would be called conning towers by the uninitiated. 


BREX Reefer Ladders

George Corral
 

Hi all,

Trying to upgrade an Accurail BREX 75000-75999 series reefer with extra details ala Bill Welch and Mont Switzer.  After carving off the ladders among other stuff, I have  questions about the ladders and their dimensions.

First, if I assume the original ladder I carved off was the correct dimensions, it appears wider and with greater rung spacing than other ladders I have in my stash even different compared to the ladder supplied with the Red Caboose version of the same reefer. 

Mont's article calls for a Detail Associates 6-rung ladder # 6208.  What I've found is that 6208 appears to be a 4-rung ladder which is confusing.  Please correct me if I'm wrong, but Bill does not mention which ladder he used in his article and probably made his own.

Lots of information about details such as brakes and trucks exists but I haven't found much on ladders.  I've tried to "guesstimate" the dimensions of the ladder from the photos in the articles to which I have access but I don't trust my calculations.

My questions: How wide were the BREX ladders (rung length) and what was the rung spacing?

I decided to post my questions to the group rather than Bill or Mont directly in case others had the same or similar questions.  I'm very willing to try to build these ladders as Bill has suggested in his article on building ladders titled Ladder Insanity.

George Corral
La Grange, KY


Re: White toner

Richard Brennan
 

At 11:27 AM 10/1/2018, Gene Green via Groups.Io wrote:
For some months now I have been receiving ads for white toner. So far the ads have yet to mention my specific laser printer.
Has anyone else received these ads?
Has anyone tried white toner to make decals?
YES...
I'm using the Ghostwhite toner from Germany for decals in multiple scales.
It fits many HP, and some other CMYK color laser printers.
https://www.ghost-white-toner.com/en/
So far... results have been excellent on Tango Papa decal paper...

It has a significant cost advantage over other 'print white' technologies...
but lacks the multi-color registration capability of an ALPS or UV-LED.

I'm happy to answer more specific questions off-line...

Richard
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Re: Flatcar Load: Conning Tower Tube

Marty McGuirk
 

They’re technically referred to as “sails” on modern day nuclear subs. 


On Oct 1, 2018, at 3:58 PM, CJ Riley via Groups.Io <cjriley42@...> wrote:


Gee, I regularly watch the "boomers" (missile subs) pass by on the way to Bangor WA and they all have what would be called conning towers by the uninitiated. 


Re: Flatcar Load: Conning Tower Tube

CJ Riley
 


Gee, I regularly watch the "boomers" (missile subs) pass by on the way to Bangor WA and they all have what would be called conning towers by the uninitiated. 


Re: M&STL leased URTX 4685

gtws00
 

 Nice build Lester. You got the paint to match very well. Great looking car.
Hope to see your cars at the Chicagoland RPM
George Toman


Re: Coupler lift bars.

mopacfirst
 

The Tangent lift bars are very nice, but the coupler pocket end is designed to fit into a hole in the pocket cover.  Could be dealt with, but the Tangent parts are hard steel and don't bend or cut easily.

I'd buy more of the Tangent, but I'd prefer something like the DA as first choice.

Ron Merrick


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White toner

Gene Green <genegreen1942@...>
 

For some months now I have been receiving ads for white toner.  So far the ads have yet to mention my specific laser printer. 
Has anyone else received these ads?
Has anyone tried white toner to make decals?
Gene Green


Re: M&STL leased URTX 4685

O Fenton Wells
 

Very well done Lester.  Are you going to weather it?  It looks almost too nice to dirty up.

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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: PRR GRa Brake Wheel

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bill;

Bruce is correct; they could detach the wheel and shaft when needed. The "drop" (actually swing) feature was on the G25 gons.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 1:25 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR GRa Brake Wheel

​Bill,





I am not aware of these brake wheels/shafts having any special "drop" feature. Rather, when the ends were dropped, the brake wheel and shaft would be removed and attached to the deck of the idler car. Note that the same thing was done with F22 gun flats.





Regards


Bruce


Bruce Smith


Auburn, AL


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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Welch <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 7:06 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] PRR GRa Brake Wheel

Given that the Pennsy's GRa gondola had drop ends (am I correct here?), did the Brake Shaft/Brake Wheel some how drop or fold out of the way?

Bill Welch

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