Re: Mystery Tank Car
Santa Fe
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Image source http://www.railmodel.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/product_zoom/userfiles/products/4858/ATSF_100800.jpg Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
On Oct 12, 2018, at 12:25 PM, mark_landgraf via Groups.Io <mark_landgraf@...> wrote:
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Re: Mystery Tank Car
Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
On 10/12/2018 10:38 AM, J S wrote:
If the mean the 211-4 versions, not that rare, Jon. Probably should have stated the drawings for
the cast commonwealth part of the tank:-)! The tanks made
are accurate for the most part except for that casting. -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, SPROG, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: Mystery Tank Car
Gene Green <genegreen1942@...>
Mark, Ajax vertical wheel hand brake was introduced in 1926. Gene Green
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Re: Mystery Tank Car
Jake Schaible
If the mean the 211-4 versions, not that rare, Jon. Fairly sure Temple has it. So does the SDMRRM Lib. In fact they sold me their extra copy of their entire set. Here she is....as revised to 1951. The large dome, AJAX and tank dia is close (inside dia 9' - I guess it could have had 3" of insulation?) But inside 35'-7.5" length? This puts the AT&SF / GAT ID in some doubt if his is truly just 31'. Hmmmm...
Jake Schaible San Diego But what do I know ... for me time stopped in 1927!
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CGW 1937 boxcar instructions
Does anyone have a copy of the instructions for last year’s Chicagoland CGW boxcar mini-kit they could send me? I’ve finally pulled mine off the shelf (must be next weekend has me inspired) and I cannot locate any instructions. Send to doug.harding at iowacentralrr.org Thanks
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
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Re: Mystery Tank Car
Tony Thompson
Tk L is a Santa Fe class. Tony Thompson
On Oct 12, 2018, at 9:25 AM, mark_landgraf via Groups.Io <mark_landgraf@...> wrote:
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Re: Mystery Tank Car
Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
On 10/12/2018 9:25 AM, mark_landgraf
via Groups.Io wrote:
It is classified as a TK L Drawings for the TK-L are somewhat rare which
is why no accurate models have been made. The few that have
been made (brass, etc.) have the cast commonwealth part of the
tank done incorrectly. A dimension drawing of that cast part,
of the tank, would be helpful in maybe producing a resin
model. Google ATSF TK-L -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, SPROG, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: Mystery Tank Car
Jake Schaible
So gross geometric vol of the tank is ~ 16,437 gals? Of the top of my head, sounds big (fat) for the late 20's. Are you sure the road numbers are 108,00-108,099 and not 100,800 - 100,899? If so, AT&SF had a TK-L 100 car series of 16,200 gal delivered 1930 from GAT. ICC103 with a 5'9 dome. (Source, Occhiello - of course, Larry might also have an error in his numbers, but his does fit the AT&SF number series.)
Without an image (that might show design similarities) I'm at a loss to help you further. A long shot, but to develop a hit list, you might check lot list for 100 car orders in dates just after then. (UMSL has the ACF lot list, for example).
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Re: Mystery Tank Car
John Barry
Mark, The Class Tk-L and # series are consistent with the 100 ATSF tank cars. John John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
From: mark_landgraf via Groups.Io <mark_landgraf@...> To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>; "RealSTMFC@groups.io" <RealSTMFC@groups.io> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Mystery Tank Car Gentlemen I have a Tank Car General Arrangement drawing with no railroad or manufacturer marking. The drawing number is expressed as a fraction, 18-A over 1171 The date on the drawing is Oct 4 1929, although the drawing includes an Ajax power hand brake unit It has a large diameter single dome The tank is 9ft 6in in diameter, and is approximately 31 ft long The car is 36ft 2 in long over the strikers The Polling pocket is incorporated into the end of the body bolster. It is classified as a TK L The group of cars had the road numbers 108,000 to 108,099 Can anyone identify the manufacturer or who the car belonged to? Thanks Mark Landgraf Albany NY
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Re: Mystery Tank Car
mark_landgraf
Gentlemen I have a Tank Car General Arrangement drawing with no railroad or manufacturer marking. The drawing number is expressed as a fraction, 18-A over 1171 The date on the drawing is Oct 4 1929, although the drawing includes an Ajax power hand brake unit It has a large diameter single dome The tank is 9ft 6in in diameter, and is approximately 31 ft long The car is 36ft 2 in long over the strikers The Polling pocket is incorporated into the end of the body bolster. It is classified as a TK L The group of cars had the road numbers 108,000 to 108,099 Can anyone identify the manufacturer or who the car belonged to? Thanks Mark Landgraf Albany NY
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Re: E&B Valley RR ACF Covered Hopper
Almufti Hishman
Here are a couple of these hoppers, flanking an Intermountain. It had been 20 years I bet since I built the UP hopper, maybe the memory of the HUNDREDS of ejector pin marks to be erased had faded. Anyway, I had some Mask Island decals to use, so I dug in.
I can say I have finally learned my lesson and will not build a third one. Jeff Oliver
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Re: E&B Valley RR ACF Covered Hopper
Stan Madyda
I was friendly with the owner of E&B Valley and got a bunch of these kits to build. Still have them. I called them friendship kits, because if I could stay friends after building one, that was a good thing. As someone told me early on, get a big file an bevel the corners and that would help with the assembly. He later did the airslide hopper, which was his best kit. Under Robin's Rails, he came out with the 50' PS-1 box cars. Not a bad kit either. For the time, they were an improvement over the molded on detail kits. After he stopped producing kits, he got into painting and lettering for Bev-Bel and did some cars under his own banner, PFA Models (Pretty F&^$ing Accurate).
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] F&C Support was BAR/NH Insulated Box Car Resin Kit RESET
Mention of the Intermountain/Red Caboose 10'6" AAR car prompts me to let folks know know that I have 3 of these cars released by the New Haven Historical Society that I would be open to trade for an undecorated or painted in another scheme(must be a kit) is of interest. I bought these anticipating stripping and painting into another scheme, but would prefer to work on something non historical society related. Contact me directly das1054ATgmail.com if there is interest.
Allow me to clarify and correct: I have 3 of the NH cars made by the Historical Society. I would like to trade these for 4 other IM/Red Caboose 40'6" AAR cars (as long as it's a kit, decorated or undecorated doesn't matter). I paid a little more for these cars than typically was being charged for the IM/Red Caboose car thus the uneven trade request. Will be happy to answer any questions.
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Photo finds
Eric Hansmann
Research has benefits and decades old city improvement reports can offer details to help a new project. A couple of B&O freight facilities are the focus of the latest DesignBuildOp blog post. Eagle-eyed readers will note a few interesting freight cars in the photo margins. http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2018/10/12/bo-freight-houses/ Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
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Re: RR: F&C Support was BAR/NH Insulated Box Car Resin Kit
Peter Ness
HI Bill,
Yes. I am not aware of any BAR - or B&M for that matter – groups but if others are, please pass along.
Peter Ness
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Should not BAR folks be alerted too?
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Re: RR: F&C Support was BAR/NH Insulated Box Car Resin Kit
Bill Welch
Should not BAR folks be alerted too?
Bill Welch
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Re: E&B Valley RR ACF Covered Hopper
Jim King
I found 3 N&W East Car Works H2/H3 hopper flat kits on ebay a few months ago … got all of the for $30 so, despite the aggravating to come, I think the can be made into some better than putting lipstick on a pig. The H3 is what I was after … different ends from the Broadway H-2a and with some copy-castings, I can make all of the H3. Thinning the grossly oversize corner posts and replacing steps with flat brass wire will help a lot.
Jim King www.smokymountainmodelworks.com
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Re: E&B Valley RR ACF Covered Hopper
jczzo126 CocuzzaT
I have built several of these, but their is no comparison to today's kits They stand out like a sore thumb next to the Bowser cars. They are good layout 'beaters' as my grandchildren become operators. But, I'm gonna build one more, I have an old Miller Western Maryland set, and two slides of similar cars, so... some snowy night, it will come off the pile.That leaves two left. At $5 apiece, I couldn't resist.
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Re: RR: F&C Support was BAR/NH Insulated Box Car Resin Kit
Peter Ness
HI Tim,
I am not overlooking anything except my own lack of bandwidth J.
Earlier in the week it was pointed out to me these cars also rain on the NYC, so I encouraged the respondent, if they were members of any NYC Forums and wanted to copy/paste my posting, to go for it.
ESM is a great N scale provider. Shortly after E&B Valley made available NH passenger car kits, ESM was right there for N scale NH modelers with similar (perhaps better quality) offerings.
I’ll make the same statement here. If anyone is a member of a Penn Central or other forum where they think there may be interest. Please copy/paste my posting into that forum. The more the merrier.
Thanks for the pointer, Tim.
Peter Ness
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 7:39 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] RR: F&C Support was BAR/NH Insulated Box Car Resin Kit
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RR: F&C Support was BAR/NH Insulated Box Car Resin Kit
Eastern Seaboard Models found enough interest to import RTR versions of these cars in N scale plastic. Peter you may be overlooking the fact that many of the cars went on to "second lives" after the New Haven - some went to private owners and some were even repainted into Penn Central colors. Tim O'Connor http://www.esmc.com/2250/Item2257.html There is not enough interest among NH modelers to get this one done. Peter Ness -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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