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Re: GN Spokane Hillyard Yard Photo

Jim Betz
 


  ... and can anyone shed any light on the source of the white streak to the right
      of the door on that same NKP car?

  Is it possible that this white streak could be related to the black smear?
                                                                                                                    - Jim B.


Re: Prototype drawings/photos help needed

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Thanks Bob.That's about what I expected but asked because it was such an interesting car.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: GN Spokane Hillyard Yard Photo

Jim Betz
 

Michael,
  It -does- look like coal.  I'm trying to figure out how the car would have gotten that
wide a 'dusting' of coal ... And - that high up on the sides and up onto the roof.
  Wasn't bulk coal loaded using a chute stuck into the car after the open door had
been closed up enough to set the level (weight) of the load?  Does coal being
run thru a chute produce that much dust?  How does bulk coal produce such 
well defined 'limits' outside of the doorway?  That car looks like someone used
an airbrush to simulate the weathering!  *G*
                                                                                                 - Jim B.


Re: GN Spokane Hillyard Yard Photo

Jim Betz
 

David,
  I agree - and disagree with your statement about "a decade later".  The part I disagree with is
the idea that in '56 there would only be a few of the older cars "hanging on".  
  It is certainly true that every smidgeon of deferred maintenance possible was left undone
during the war years and that, cosmetically, all the U.S. railroads equipment looked like
these cars in 1946.  The phrase "looked like they'd been rode hard and put away wet"
comes to mind.  However, mechanical maintenance was not left undone during the war
and many, many of the cars in this picture would have survived a decade or more past
the date of this picture.
  But it is certainly true that the RRs used some (a lot?) of the money they made during
the war to purchase new cars and repaint old ones in their "new" paint schemes (new
in the sense of "compared to the pre-War schemes").  
  However, using just the GN as one example, the introduction of the new paint 
schemes was started in 1948 with a new logo and then, in 1956, was the introduction
of the first cars wearing Vermillion Red ... and from then on the gates were opened to
the Glacier Green cars, and other 'bright/new/modern' paint schemes.  And, looking
at many pictures of yards from the 50's the same was true of "all" RRs.
  
  So your observation is spot on in terms of the affects of the war on the RRs and
their response to them after the war... but it didn't happen quite as early as you feel it
did.
                                                                                                          - Jim B.


Re: Prototype drawings/photos help needed

rwitt_2000
 

Don,

The class was last listed in the Summary of Equipment for 1927, 29 cars. They were all gone by the S of E for January 1, 1928.

Regards,

Bob Witt


Re: GN Spokane Hillyard Yard Photo

David Soderblom
 

Bear in mind that 1946 was not a good year to be a freight car. They had been used very heavily during the war, plus many were old anyway as replacements slowed during the 1930s. Pretty much all the cars shown look dirty. A photo taken a decade later would show near-new brightly colored GN boxes with large logos, a very different scene, with only a few of these older cars hanging on.



David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
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Re: Prototype drawings/photos help needed

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

    Built in January 1910. A different style of ventilated car. Did any of these manage to survive WW II?

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Prototype drawings/photos help needed

Brent Greer
 

Thank you! That is exactly what I was hoping to find.

Brent

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Dr. J. Brent Greer

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Prototype drawings/photos help needed
 
These were built by the Ralston Steel Car Company and no drawings were preserved. There is a builders photo on the Columbus Railroad web site.

http://www.columbusrailroads.com/new/?menu=06Industry&submenu=10Ralston_Steel_Car_Co
Under 1910:

There is a little more information on the Westerfield web site: https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/index.php?cPath=99_447

These cars were similar to the B&O M-12 especially the riveted fishbelly underframe which were based upon the PRR class XL and built when the PRR controlled the B&O.

Bob Witt


Re: Prototype drawings/photos help needed

rwitt_2000
 

These were built by the Ralston Steel Car Company and no drawings were preserved. There is a builders photo on the Columbus Railroad web site.

http://www.columbusrailroads.com/new/?menu=06Industry&submenu=10Ralston_Steel_Car_Co
Under 1910:

There is a little more information on the Westerfield web site: https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/index.php?cPath=99_447

These cars were similar to the B&O M-12 especially the riveted fishbelly underframe which were based upon the PRR class XL and built when the PRR controlled the B&O.

Bob Witt


Re: Prototype drawings/photos help needed

Bill Welch
 

Distracted by Dodgers-Brewers game sorry I did not read the reporting marks carefully.

Bill Welch


Re: Prototype drawings/photos help needed

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Welch wrote:
"Brent, I suggest checking the the C&O Historical Society's Archives. It is a well organized resource."

It most certainly is, but it won't help research on a B&O Class M-14 ventilated boxcar that was gone well before the merger. :)

Here's more information on submitting research request to the B&O Railroad Historical Society archives.


Ben Hom


Re: Prototype drawings/photos help needed

Bill Welch
 

Brent, I suggest checking the the C&O Historical Society's Archives. It is a well organized resource.

Bill Welch


Prototype drawings/photos help needed

Brent Greer
 

I am looking for photos and/or drawings of B&O class M-14 ventilated boxcars for the purposes of modeling same.  I've not had much success with Google searches and I'm just not worldly enough to know what other resources might be available to me or how to access them.   Any and all assistance will be appreciated.

Sincere thanks and I hope to see some of you in person tomorrow in Chicagoland !

Brent

________________________________
Dr. J. Brent Greer


Re: GN Spokane Hillyard Yard Photo

Jim Betz
 

Bill,
  My best guess is that the car has recently sat somewhere that a roof was dumping
filth (run off) on the center of the car but not the ends.  I am not 100% certain but it
looks to me like the dirt is not on the opposite side of the roof (but it is on the
roof walk) ... so perhaps it was due to a gap in the overhang roof on an industrial
siding?

  Nice pic Bob - I haven't seen that one before.  I use a pic of Appleyard in
Wenatchee as my windoze background.  *G*                                                                                         
                                                                                                                    - Jim B.


Re: GN Spokane Hillyard Yard Photo

mikefrommontanan
 

I'd bet it's the result of a bulk coal loading and that the car (on the NKP end) was assigned to such "rough" freight.


Michael Seitz
Missoula MT


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Re: GN Spokane Hillyard Yard Photo

Bill Keene
 

Bob,

Thanks for sharing this photo. 

I wonder what was the cause of the weathering displayed on the NKP double sheathed box car.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Oct 16, 2018, at 7:31 PM, Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

With a little photo editing this becomes a nice period photo of a lot of freight cars:

https://media.spokesman.com/photos/2016/10/24/spa68298.JPG_t1170.jpg?e2225bc5c1a75a1036ca3021fecba2b47792abfe

Caption: "Spokane yards of the Great Northern at Hillyard in 1946 showed immediately the effects of a nationwide rail strike. Thousands of empty and idle boxcars, oil tankers, gondolas and cattle cars stood on the tracks shortly after the strike was called."

The photo is from a news article titled "Getting There: Hillyard oil contamination puts roadblock in plans for North Spokane Corridor". Here is a link to the article:

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2016/oct/24/getting-there-hillyard-oil-contamination-puts-road/

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


GN Spokane Hillyard Yard Photo

Bob Chaparro
 

With a little photo editing this becomes a nice period photo of a lot of freight cars:

https://media.spokesman.com/photos/2016/10/24/spa68298.JPG_t1170.jpg?e2225bc5c1a75a1036ca3021fecba2b47792abfe

Caption: "Spokane yards of the Great Northern at Hillyard in 1946 showed immediately the effects of a nationwide rail strike. Thousands of empty and idle boxcars, oil tankers, gondolas and cattle cars stood on the tracks shortly after the strike was called."

The photo is from a news article titled "Getting There: Hillyard oil contamination puts roadblock in plans for North Spokane Corridor". Here is a link to the article:

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2016/oct/24/getting-there-hillyard-oil-contamination-puts-road/

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Auto Frame Loads In Gondolas

Bob Chaparro
 

For the various major railroads I'm looking for the number series or classes of the gondolas assigned to auto frame transport so I can research photo examples of these cars, their equipment and loads.

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Hello please allow me to introduce myself, I am . . .

gary laakso
 

LOL, you are right but they consist of 3 Milwaukees by Westerfield (only one with the inside detail), two different SLSF, NYC and PRR by Westerfield, and the Sunshine collection: MKT, CNW, PWV, C&O and ACL.  The body wobbly Southern gon by Speedwitch has had plastic stripes added to the floor that should allow the body to fit on the floor sans the bow.  Couplers added to all, most of the grab holes drilled so there is some progress.  And that brings the count to 13.

 

Gary “Nelson gon” Laakso

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Hello please allow me to introduce myself, I am . . .

 

Gary, 11 gondolas is childplay compared to 24 stock cars ; )

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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It is a real jewel, many, many hours of labor and thought before any work started.  Your patience and planning show, congrats.  It will look great coupled to the 36’ DRGW boxcars from Sunshine that I HAVE built. 

 

Gary “I am pulling a ‘Nelson’ by working on 11 gondolas” Laakso


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