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Re: Poultry Cars at RPM - Presentation & Handout

Mel Chase
 

That was the best presentation documentation ever.  No Bullets like many presentations, but many pictures and detail explanations, it is a keeper.

Thank you Kristin and Jeremy.

Mel Chase
Lansing, IL


Re: Poultry Cars at RPM - Presentation & Handout

Jared Harper
 

I am trying to gather info. on the cardboard boxes used for shipping live chicks.  I would like to build models of some of these boxes as scenic elements at stations on my May 1943, Alma branch layout.  I really need good pictures and measurements.

Thanks.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Poultry Cars at RPM - Presentation & Handout

Brad Andonian
 

Absolutely fantastic!


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On Monday, October 22, 2018, 2:23 PM, Jeremy Dummler <jkdummler@...> wrote:

The presentation that my wife, Kristin Dummler, gave on Poultry Cars at RPM Chicagoland along with her handout is now available for download at:


There are only 3 options there, one for my Low Vision clinic handout, and then her handout and complete presentation.  

Thank you,
Jeremy Dummler
Wauconda, IL


Re: Intermountain PFE Roof Color Variation Between Runs

Tony Thompson
 

Nelson Moyer wrote:

I just received a preorder for Intermountain PFE  R-40-23 reefers, and the roofs are much lighter and redder than all of the other Intermountain PFE reefers I have. I attached a photo of an Intermountain PFE R-40-10 with the R-40-23 to illustrate the problem. Is this range of colors acceptable, or did Intermountain and their Chinese factory botch the R-40-23 run? I hate it that we have to buy pigs in pokes.

     Tim is basically right, they need weathered anyway, but the red roof at right is way too red, in my view. And BTW, not the first time IM has done this.  They also do all kinds of variations on the orange, despite help with both colors. I suspect they turn the factory loose to do what works.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: Intermountain PFE Roof Color Variation Between Runs

Tim O'Connor
 

Nelson

The R-40-10 is a post-1949 REPAINT. The R-40-23 is the "as delivered" paint. Both of them need to
be weathered, so why worry about it? :-|

Tim O'Connor



I just received a preorder for Intermountain PFE  R-40-23 reefers, and the roofs are much lighter and redder than all of the other Intermountain PFE reefers I have. I attached a photo of an Intermountain PFE R-40-10 with the R-40-23 to illustrate the problem. Is this range of colors acceptable, or did Intermountain and their Chinese factory botch the R-40-23 run? I hate it that we have to buy pigs in pokes.
 
Nelson Moyer

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Intermountain PFE Roof Color Variation Between Runs

Nelson Moyer
 

I just received a preorder for Intermountain PFE  R-40-23 reefers, and the roofs are much lighter and redder than all of the other Intermountain PFE reefers I have. I attached a photo of an Intermountain PFE R-40-10 with the R-40-23 to illustrate the problem. Is this range of colors acceptable, or did Intermountain and their Chinese factory botch the R-40-23 run? I hate it that we have to buy pigs in pokes.

 

Nelson Moyer


Chicagoland photos

Ted Culotta
 

I have uploaded some photos to complement those posted by others. Please click the blog link below to view....

Ted Culotta
Speedwitch Media
P.O. Box 392, Guilford, CT 06437


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] RPM Chicagoland Photos

Benjamin Hom
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:
"The first in depth article about a prototype freightcar I recall was on the X29 boxcar in the original Prototype Modeler magazine sometime in the mid to late seventies. It was like, wow, why can't we have histories like this for all the cars. Unfortunately, I have forgotten the author's name."

Jack Amerine and Jeff Freeman, October 1978 issue of Prototype Modeler.


Ben Hom


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] RPM Chicagoland Photos

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 02:07 PM, skibbs4 wrote:
Here's the timeline slide, that was published as one slide of a larger presentation:
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Mike,

I can add a little more detail to the disposition of my line, for what it's worth.

Beginning in 1983, about a year after Al Westerfield started, I ultimately offered five kits, some in multiple road names:

A Soo Line wood caboose. I wanted to do a freightcar, but couldn't convince myself there was a market for freightcars at the price I'd need to get, and thought the caboose was a safer bet...

The Soo Line "sawtooth" boxcar, which is the kit I really wanted to do... I had to measure a prototype and do my own drawings.

A NYC double sheathed boxcar and auto car, also available with NKP and DSS&A lettering, and then a Rutland version of each with different ends. Someone wanted the South Shore version, and steered me to the NYC drawings published in the CBC and one extant car at the museum in North Freedom. This was a project that just kept growing, as modelers following other roads (NKP, Rutland) noticed the similarity and provided additional information to make them happen.

A Canadian Gov't Railways / CN single sheathed boxcar. This one was promoted by Stafford Swain, who arranged for Ken Goslett to did the builders drawings out of the archives of the Canadian Railway Historical Society museum at Delson, PQ.

Along about this time I asked Grandt Line about the possibility of doing a standard gauge KC brake set to replace the CalScale set that had just gone out of production, and Dave asked for anticipated volume. This caused the rude awakening that while I was making many more different kits, sales volume had been essentially flat since my second year, and this was never going to be a full time business, so I turned my energies elsewhere.

At this time, 1986 or '87, DesPlaines Hobby (not DesPlaines Valley) was still a partnership, and Ron Sebastian's partner (Bob Dennis, IIRC) was interested in expanding the business into manufacturing, and I sold the entire line and production equipment. Within a year or so the partnership dissolved, leaving the resin kit line an orphan. Most of my line died then and there. DesPlaines Hobby eventually copied the caboose as an injection molded flat kit, and Westerfield did new patterns of the NYC cars and put them in his line, rendering my older work moot. Some years later, the Soo Line Historical & Technical Society asked me about the boxcar patterns, since the car had been off the market for at least a decade. This resulted in the Society purchasing the rights to the design, which they then licensed to Speedwitch, and Ted turned first generation parts that I had retained into a one-piece body, while supplying a revised floor pattern. This is the only one of my kits that lives on; I have no idea what ever happened to the CN car, although I used drawings of a similar CN car as the basis for an Accurail kit.

I point this all out because the flow chart seems to imply that Speedwitch was somehow a continuation of my line, which is by no means true, except for that one kit.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Castle Graphics TCG wooden boxcar

Rick Bess
 

Actually, that car was only marketed by Cameron Scale Models also.  But as the discussion is going on about resin manufacturers, in O Scale, a few years before Rails Unlimited started selling resin cars, Robert Ferris of Cameron Scale Models started selling resin cars and then started producing resin freight and traction cars(before that he built custom made RTR brass cars, usually 50' flat cars). He eventually transitioned into marketing built up ready to run resin cars for specific customers and has done that ever since.

 

Rick Bess in (ashamed to say)Illinois


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] RPM Chicagoland Photos

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 03:38 PM, Peter Ness wrote:
For example, I know (from reading, not memory!) that Frank Ellison was writing articles on prototype modeling in the 1930’s…there were others as well.
Peter, I don't know if Frank Ellison really fits that image, from the articles he authored that I recall reading in back issues, his mantra was realistic OPERATION, where instead of running 'round and 'round in a circle, a train departed from a yard, worked its way across the layout, and finally terminated in a yard, although the track plan I vaguely remember showed that one yard was common to both ends of his layout. "A model railroad is a play", If I remember his statement correctly, " the layout the stage, the trains the players, the schedule the script." As to equipment, he reportedly would remove the pilot and trailing trucks on some locomotives, to cut down on derailments. So much for prototype fidelity.

The author I recall first pointing out that the way to build a convincing model was to find a neat prototype and follow it was one time MR editor Paul Larson, although he was concentrating on structures. The scratchbuilt structures for his Mineral Point & Northern that he wrote up for RMC after he left MR were real gems.

The first in depth article about a prototype freightcar I recall was on the X29 boxcar in the original Prototype Modeler magazine sometime in the mid to late seventies. It was like, wow, why can't we have histories like this for all the cars. Unfortunately, I have forgotten the author's name.

Dennis Storzek


Re: RPM Chicagoland Photos

Tim O'Connor
 


The Delta Lines!! Hugely influential. My Dad's HO scale dream layout (never built) was
based on the Delta Lines design (O scale). When I bought my first house, I also came up
with a ridiculously ambitious track plan based on the DL. In those days I could "duck
under" without injuring myself. :-) And then along came John Armstrong...

Question: Who first popularized "shelf" style, "walk around" model railroads? A major
RPM milestone, IMO.

Tim O'


Peter Ness wrote

 > I know... that Frank Ellison was writing articles on prototype modeling in the 1930's

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: RPM Chicagoland Photos

Tim O'Connor
 


I don't remember those articles (I was an avid teenage reader of all things railroads)
but I do remember being very impressed in those days by the models of Paul ...[?? damn
another brain cramp] and his beautifully WEATHERED Southern Pacific steam locomotives in
the pages of Model Railroder - at a time when very few people (other than John Allen)
were weathering any of their models.

RPM isn't just rolling stock!

Tim O'Connor


As a impressionable teenager, I remember just being entranced by the March 1971 Model Railroader cover which featured Bill Clouser's O Scale boxcars on the cover. The detail for freight cars was incredible for the time.

There is an interview of Bill by Bob Hegge in the MR issue where Bill describes the process in how he builds a model to make molds. There is several pictures of his completed model work along with a picture of a number of different boxcar ends waiting to be used. He discusses initially selling these boxcars in the "Ultra-Scale" line in the late 1960s. He discontinued selling them by the time the article was published, but said because terrific response, he was thinking about reissuing them. Perhaps someone knows if he did.

A worthwhile read to see the thoughts of a early modeler casting resin kits.

Bill Hirt

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: ARA/AAR Boxcar Modeling Clinic Link

steve_wintner
 

Great stuff, thanks Bill


Re: RPM history (was Chicagoland Photos)

Tim O'Connor
 


CJ - you are correct! I remembered it wrong. Richard said the models were stolen
from the trunk of his rental car in Philadelphia. Given that fact, then it probably
is the case that it was a random theft, and the 60+ models most likely got tossed.
SIXTY Hendrickson freight cars lost... :-(



I believe he lost his models after leaving the convention. Perhaps Philadelphia.
As chair of that convention I want to correct the insult(?) to Pittsburgh.

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: gon with a pole load

Brian Termunde
 

YESSS!!!!

Thank you so much Tim. This is exactly the kind of gon I need for my Willapa Harbor branch. Milwaukee, and 41 feet.

And I appreciate you answering my question even before I asked. Talk about anticipating needs. <G>

Thanks again.

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah


Re: [ResinFreightCarBuilders] RPM Chicagoland Photos

William Hirt
 

As a impressionable teenager, I remember just being entranced by the March 1971 Model Railroader cover which featured Bill Clouser's O Scale boxcars on the cover. The detail for freight cars was incredible for the time.

There is an interview of Bill by Bob Hegge in the MR issue where Bill describes the process in how he builds a model to make molds. There is several pictures of his completed model work along with a picture of a number of different boxcar ends waiting to be used. He discusses initially selling these boxcars in the "Ultra-Scale" line in the late 1960s. He discontinued selling them by the time the article was published, but said because terrific response, he was thinking about reissuing them. Perhaps someone knows if he did.

A worthwhile read to see the thoughts of a early modeler casting resin kits.

Bill Hirt


On 10/22/2018 3:52 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 12:30 PM, skibbs4 wrote:


Dynamometer Car Z / Northeastern Ambroid Kit

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

I am trying to find what information the Northeastern / Ambroid CB&Q Dynamometer Car Z HO Kit was based on.   Back in the late 60s or early 70’s I called Northeastern asking about it and they had no files on the kit.

It is a fairly accurate model and must have been based on drawings and photos that have not surfaced yet.   The source of the pen and ink rendering of the car likewise has not been discovered.  The drawings of the car that appeared in railroad journals do not show the configuration of the car as it was built judging from early photos.  

The kit instructions bear the note “From the collection of Russ Shiel”.  Does anyone have any idea who he might be?

Thank you,

Charlie Vlk

 


Re: RPM history (was Chicagoland Photos)

 

The first freight car dinner occurred at the Milwaukee NMRA convention in 1985.  Jeff English, John Neihrich, myself and one other had dinner together.  We met informally each year after that, the attendees changing and enlarging.  This formalized with the dinner at Tony’s. 

  • Al Westerfield

 

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From: Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 2:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] RPM history (was Chicagoland Photos)

 

Dennis

An excellent addition to the conversation!

As I said, we'd need a real (serious) publication to do the subject justice.

In the meantime, let us not forget the launch of FRIENDS OF THE FREIGHT CAR by
Tony Thompson at the Pittsburgh NMRA convention in 1990 (where Tony was then a
professor at Carnegie Mellon). The same convention where someone stole a whole
bunch of Richard Hendrickson's hand crafted models! (I hope at least they found
a home on a layout, and didn't end up in a dumpster.)

More timeline questions - when did Microscale first start making railroad decals?
CDS? Greg Komar? Mark Vaughan? AccuCals? Railroad prototype modeling was greatly
aided by artistic efforts to produce super-accurate lettering for our models. And
those efforts (aided by people like Richard Hendrickson) inspired Champ to start
producing super-accurate lettering sets too. And the accurate lettering movement
has been taken up by Ted Culotta, Dan Kohlberg, and a great many others.

And of course, RPM has had a HUGE influence on almost every hobby manufacturer.

Tim O'Connor






Well, I'll nominate William J. Clouser's WJC Custom Cast line as the beginning of COMMERCIAL resin kits. Others may have used what was at the time called "tooling resin" for personal parts, but the Clouser boxcars were the first product of this sort offered for sale. While Bill is better known for his traction models, IIRC the boxcars came first, and were actually developed because he needed accurate models to populate a courtroom display, illustrative courtroom models being a major portion of his custom model making business. Once the masters had been made on someone else's nickle, it was easy to produce more. I believe these became "proof of concept" for his later traction model line. I recall Bill being out at the Illinois Railway Museum in the very early seventies to gather measurements for the North Shore interurban that became his first traction offering, and the boxcars had been done several years earlier, perhaps in the late sixties. At any rate, at a time when MR articles were mentioning Cerro metal castings made in latex rubber molds, Clouser showed there were better materials.

And of course, there would be no cast resin models if it wasn't for Al Westerfield, who not only did extensive research on his prototypes in an era when accurate and complete data was hard to come by, but also developed a workable method of producing kits at a price that encouraged the market. Clouser 1/4" scale kits were nice, but they were pricey. By comparison, Al's kits were priced where the average modeler could actually believe that he could populate a layout with them. One thing that few mention is that before Al actually went into business, he basically published his whole methodology in the hobby press, in RMC, IIRC, in a series of articles in the late seventies.

While I was only producing resin kits for a couple years before moving on to other things, I would not have even known where to start without the knowledge of what these two individuals had already accomplished.

I should also mention Tom Madden, also a professional modelmaker, who lead the industry to its "second generation", consulting with and teaching several manufacturers the secrets of viable one piece resin bodies.

I'm sure there are others who made significant contributions; these are the ones who stand out to me.

Dennis Storzek


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

 


Re: gon with a pole load

Brian Termunde
 

I likewise agree that it's a Milwaukee gondola, and came to that GUESS prior to reading the other posts. And yes, an idler car would be in order, perhaps it was uncoupled prior to the photo being taken?

 Bonus questions, any idea's or guesses how long the car is? Number series?

TIA!

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah

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