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Re: Poultry Cars

Kristin Dummler
 

Nelson,

Thank you for the source. I will definitely give them a look. The hard part is getting something with openings small enough to be to scale.

Kristin Dummler


On 10/26/2018 3:48 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

I just read Kristin Dummler’s presentation on live poultry shipping, a clinic I couldn’t fit into my schedule in Lisle. It was quite informative and the photos were outstanding. Kristin mentioned that the jury was still out on a suitable mesh for modeling these cars, and since I couldn’t find an email address to go direct, I’m posting the information here for all to see. I built a 1914 CB&Q horse car which required window screens. Searching the web, I found a link for a company that sells stainless steel screen in many mesh sizes, and I used their 400 mesh screen for my horse car. The URL is:

 

www.twpinc.com

 

They will send samples if you’re not sure which size best fits your needs. I’m sure that Kristin will be able to find the perfect screen for her poultry cars on this site. Because they have a minimum order size, I went in with several other modelers on a group order to share the cost. Contact me directly if you want more information on this product.

 

Nelson Moyer



55 Ton Fishbelly Hopper Cars

David
 

CNJ 31' IL, 11' EH, 2028cf
67000-67999, 1942

D&H 29' IL, 10'3" EH, 1764cf
2300-2499, 1941-2 some 40T
2500-2899, 1946-7
4201-4350, 1947-8 some 40T

D&H 30'11" IL, 10'5" EH, 1860cf
4701-5700, 1939-40
5701-6100, 1942

LV 31' IL, 10'5" EH, 1860cf
25000-25499, 1939

LV 31' IL, 10'8" EH, 1936cf
25500-25939, 1942

N&W class HL, 31' IL, 11' EH, 1998 cf
22000-23999, 1936
24000-25999, 1937
67500-69999, 1937
38000-39999, 1939
57500-59999, 1939
67000-67499, 1939
56500-57499, 1940

copies of N&W HL:
ACL 81500-81999, 1940
NS 9000-9049, 1941

RDG, 31' IL, 11' EH, 2028cf
80000-80999, 1941
67000-67338, 1942
65000-65999, 1944

RDG composite, 31'IL, 11' EH, 1936cf
67339-67999, 1943
66000-66999, 1944

WM, 31' IL, 11' EH, 2028cf
10001-10800, 1942
10801-13400
13401-14400, 1953

WM, 32'8" IL, 10'9" EH
14401-14900, 1958

David Thompson


Re: Poultry Cars

Jake Schaible
 

Nelson,

Where did you she her presentation?  I'm one of those whom work kept me from attending.  

The screen I measured on the existent poultry car in StL, IIRC, is a rather simple welded wire diamond mesh pattern of ~ 1.1" x 1.1" square.  

Cheers,

Jake


Re: 55 Ton Fishbelly Hopper Cars

David Payne
 

Thanks to Tony and Ben for your replies.
David Payne


Re: Ann Arbor Boxcar

Gene Green <genegreen1942@...>
 

Dan, and anyone else interested, I have a copy directly from the Miner organization of one of the 24" hand wheels.  If anyone, or any manufacturer, would like a copy, I would be happy to oblige.
Gene Green


Poultry Cars

Nelson Moyer
 

I just read Kristin Dummler’s presentation on live poultry shipping, a clinic I couldn’t fit into my schedule in Lisle. It was quite informative and the photos were outstanding. Kristin mentioned that the jury was still out on a suitable mesh for modeling these cars, and since I couldn’t find an email address to go direct, I’m posting the information here for all to see. I built a 1914 CB&Q horse car which required window screens. Searching the web, I found a link for a company that sells stainless steel screen in many mesh sizes, and I used their 400 mesh screen for my horse car. The URL is:

 

www.twpinc.com

 

They will send samples if you’re not sure which size best fits your needs. I’m sure that Kristin will be able to find the perfect screen for her poultry cars on this site. Because they have a minimum order size, I went in with several other modelers on a group order to share the cost. Contact me directly if you want more information on this product.

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: CLINIC INFORMATION

skibbs4
 

This page on the RPM Conference site includes Chris Vanko's handout:


Mike Skibbe

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:38 PM WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:

In addition to Tony’s weathering clinic Chris Vanco put on an excellent clinicon weathering at Chicagoland.  Is there an on line
handout available?

Bill Pardie





Re: Time to call in Columbo?

golden1014
 

Sure looks like a rebuilt IC car to me, Marty.

John Golden


FGE reefers book

Tim O'Connor
 

now that we have an ART book, what's the story on getting an FGE book?
too large a subject?

Tim O'Connor



--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Rapido NP boxcar, K brake question

Eric Hansmann
 

Ralph,

 

I do not intend to try replicating the center bead sheathing.

 

As for other weigh date decals, I used this Black Cat set on a Yarmouth boxcar and need to check if there are extra dates on the remaining sheet.

http://www.blackcatdecals.com/product/np14689-northern-pacific-pre-ww2-boxcars-single-double-sheath/

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ralph W. Brown
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 12:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido NP boxcar, K brake question

 

Hi Eric,

 

I too bought a four-pack of the pre-war cars, only one of which I have yet to remove from its box.  I agree they are amazing.

 

Do you have any particular source of decals in mind for changing the reweigh date?

 

The air reservoir stencil on the car I examined, incidentally, is right side up.  Yes, I had to read it with a strong magnifying glass!

 

Although I plan to use these cars in a 1920s era setting, I haven’t decided yet whether to remove the upper-most grab on the left end.  Rapido may have made only one basic version of the car, but the pre-war cars do have K, rather than AB, brakes.

 

Regarding the sheathing, do I understand correctly that you intend to replicate the center-bead board siding?  If so, I’d be very interested in how you’re planning to do that.

 

All things considered, I think these cars are a great addition to the roster.

 

Pax,

 

 

Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com

 

From: Eric Hansmann

Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 12:25 PM

To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido NP boxcar, K brake question

 

Yes. I got a four-pack of the Pre-War cars. Three of them will be sent to others modeling the 1920s and 1930s. Out of the box, these models look downright amazing.

 

In a quick overview I noticed a couple of things.

 

- The models have a 1937 reweigh date. NP lettering was spartan so a paint out and a 1925 or 1926 reweigh date will be an easy fix.

- The stencil on the air reservoir on the brake casting is upside down, which made me chuckle. It's hard to read as it is.

- The model has two grabs on the left end of the car sides. The uppermost grab will need to be removed for a pre-1930 appearance. Rapido only had one basic version made and used different paint and lettering styles.

- The models are equipped with a metal Kadee-like coupler that I will change out to a preferred Accurail Proto:HO coupler.

- The wheels will need to be painted.

 

 

I was told at RPM Chicagoland that the basic car represents the rebuilt version so the sheathing is not reflective of the original center-bead board. This is difficult to see at a 12-inch view. It will be a pretty quick addition to my 1926 fleet.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


It is not Folgers but. . .

Bill Welch
 
Edited

. . .nevertheless "good to the last drop." Opened on August 19, 2018 I used it until October 25. No thickening with only occasional clearing the nozzle with a piece of wire. Otherwise no special handling. Blister pack purchased sometime in 2016. DURO rocks.

Bill Welch


CLINIC INFORMATION

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

In addition to Tony’s weathering clinic Chris Vanco put on an excellent clinicon weathering at Chicagoland. Is there an on line
handout available?

Bill Pardie


Re: [Proto-Layouts] Time to call in Columbo?

Tim O'Connor
 


Ben, that was good advice! :-D

Here is the list of one-off box cars on the L&A roster in 1950. It sure looks like
other railroads were playing Demolition Derby with L&A box cars! :-D

Tim O'Connor

============================

I recommend going back into the L&A ORER listings looking for a one-off boxcar with dimensions consistent with one of these rebuilt automobile boxcars, with a check for a car consistent with PRR Class X29 in case my taller car assessment is incorrect.
 
Ben Hom

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Auto Parts Boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

Steve Nichols asked

  > Anyways here goes a few examples of the large percentage of cars on the list -
  > NYC 407xx, 405xx

  NYC 856-B & 854-B respectively,
    see http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-FREIGHT2.htm

  > BO 2996xx, 2924xx, 166xxx

  B&O 2996xx- M-61 50ft single door
  B&O 2924xx- M-58 50ft double door
  B&O 166xxx- M-55 40ft single door

  > C&O 278xx, 289xx, 282xx 196xx

  C&O 278xx- 50ft double door (ACF 1959)
  C&O 289xx- 50ft double door (ACF 1955)
  C&O 282xx- 50ft double door (PS-1 & ACF, depends on car number)
  C&O 196xx- 50ft single door (ACF 1957)

  > GTW 596xxx, 599xxx 595xxx

  GTW 596xxx - 50ft single door and double door cars (depends on car number)
  GTW 599xxx - 50ft double door PS-1 (depends on car number)
  GTW 595xxx - 50ft single door (multiple dates and builders, depends on car number)

The above information comes from photo images on my hard drive, web pages, spreadsheets,
saved emails, magazines, and books. :-)

Tim O'Connor


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Rapido NP boxcar, K brake question

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Eric,
 
I too bought a four-pack of the pre-war cars, only one of which I have yet to remove from its box.  I agree they are amazing.
 
Do you have any particular source of decals in mind for changing the reweigh date?
 
The air reservoir stencil on the car I examined, incidentally, is right side up.  Yes, I had to read it with a strong magnifying glass!
 
Although I plan to use these cars in a 1920s era setting, I haven’t decided yet whether to remove the upper-most grab on the left end.  Rapido may have made only one basic version of the car, but the pre-war cars do have K, rather than AB, brakes.
 
Regarding the sheathing, do I understand correctly that you intend to replicate the center-bead board siding?  If so, I’d be very interested in how you’re planning to do that.
 
All things considered, I think these cars are a great addition to the roster.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Eric Hansmann
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 12:25 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido NP boxcar, K brake question
 

Yes. I got a four-pack of the Pre-War cars. Three of them will be sent to others modeling the 1920s and 1930s. Out of the box, these models look downright amazing.

 

In a quick overview I noticed a couple of things.

 

- The models have a 1937 reweigh date. NP lettering was spartan so a paint out and a 1925 or 1926 reweigh date will be an easy fix.

- The stencil on the air reservoir on the brake casting is upside down, which made me chuckle. It's hard to read as it is.

- The model has two grabs on the left end of the car sides. The uppermost grab will need to be removed for a pre-1930 appearance. Rapido only had one basic version made and used different paint and lettering styles.

- The models are equipped with a metal Kadee-like coupler that I will change out to a preferred Accurail Proto:HO coupler.

- The wheels will need to be painted.

 

 

I was told at RPM Chicagoland that the basic car represents the rebuilt version so the sheathing is not reflective of the original center-bead board. This is difficult to see at a 12-inch view. It will be a pretty quick addition to my 1926 fleet.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


Re: RPM Chicagoland Photos

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Tim, I suspect that your kits were a later run. The earlier run was identical to the ones shown. One kit that was not shown was the Soo Line caboose that Dennis did, which in addition to being a very nice kit (as all of Dennis’s kits were) had the correct trucks. I am afraid that these kits remain highly desirable among the Soo Line modelers. The later injection plastic version that was sold under the Centralia Car name did not include trucks. 

Bill Daniels


On Oct 26, 2018, at 6:21 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Cool. I've never seen them marked that way. My kits were "Des Plaines Valley".

Tim O'Connor



These showed up in the store from a collection:

Bill Dixon

Attachments:
20181020_storzek kits.jpg: https://RealSTMFC.groups.io/g/main/attachment/159379/0

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: 55 Ton Fishbelly Hopper Cars

Benjamin Hom
 

David Payne asked:
"Does anyone have a list of owners of the subject hopper car; specifically, one with flat ends (for all I know, they may all have had flat ends)."

Anthony Wagner replied:
"Off the top of my head circa 1950: RDG, CNJ, D&H, LV, WM, and N&W. AFIK only the N&W cars had peaked ends. In later years some of these cars moved to other RRs secondhand."

Be advised that not all of these cars are the same dimensionally, with 29 ft and 30 ft 6 in inside length variations.  Additionally, the Western Maryland built larger capacity versions of these cars in the late 1950s.  Don't assume the Stewart/Bowser model will cover all of these cars - there's still a use for the Ulrich model and a need to scratchbuild or find an old RailRoad Progress scratchbuild in a box for the later WM cars.


Ben Hom


Re: 55 Ton Fishbelly Hopper Cars

anthony wagner
 

Off the top of my head circa 1950: RDG, CNJ, D&H, LV, WM, and N&W. AFIK only the N&W cars had peaked ends. In later years some of these cars moved to other RRs secondhand. Tony Wagner


On Friday, October 26, 2018 11:43 AM, David Payne via Groups.Io <davidcofga@...> wrote:




Does anyone have a list of owners of the subject hopper car; specifically, one with flat ends (for all I know, they may all have had flat ends).
Thank you!
David Payne





55 Ton Fishbelly Hopper Cars

David Payne
 



Does anyone have a list of owners of the subject hopper car; specifically, one with flat ends (for all I know, they may all have had flat ends).
Thank you!
David Payne



Re: Ann Arbor Boxcar

 

Tim,

I did say almost. The Ajax on this car is almost certainly a replacement hand brake wheel and gear.
Zooming in as best I can, can't see the release lever or if it has one. That would tell a lot on age of
Ajax housing. Definitely not original to time period of those ends. No full top flange.

Gene, go back and look at photos of AA boxcars. Really early versions of Miner hand brakes and going
to the Double A historical group might be useful to find photos of early Miners, a low production hand
brake in the early power hand brake era as you know. And they evolved quickly early on.

Finding an available version of the 24" Miner wheel ( 2 versions ) is high on my list. Associated gear would
be a bonus.

Dan Smith

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