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N&W B-5 box car

Tim O'Connor
 


https://www.ebay.com/itm/142982594649

Has anyone done an HO model of these? I love all those rivets.

And 10-rung ladders !!

Tim O'Connor

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Protocraft gondola (was Re: Shipment of barges at Warren City Manufacturing Company)

Schleigh Mike
 

UPDATE TO MY NOTE BELOW

ERIE cars 11000-11599, 11600-11799, and 11800-12299 ALL have reference to the "type "F" slack adjusters".  This second group of three orders are post-war copies of the earlier cars.  All were discussed by Sunshine Models in their Kit #5.5 and later offered as a LifeLike model.  The O-scale model is likely good for the newer cars.

Mike Schleigh

On Sunday, October 28, 2018, 7:25:41 PM EDT, Schleigh Mike via Groups.Io <mike_schleigh@...> wrote:


Hello Group!

My ERIE RR equipment diagrams for the three groups of orders comprising cars 10000-10824 do not mention anything about slack adjusters.

However, on another subject brought up a few days back, the note "Five cars equipped with racks for handling auto frames and renumbered 50005-50009" appears with an uncertain revision date.

This with kind regards from very wet Grove City in western Penna.----Mike Schleigh

On Sunday, October 28, 2018, 7:14:55 PM EDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Besides other details, one not mentioned - it appears to have a Royal F slack adjuster!
A very nice detail, but is it correct for the Erie cars?

Tim O'



Nice work with the photos, Claus.  Always something interesting in your treasure hunts.
Looks similar to, if not the same car, that Norm Buckhart just had done in O scale:
https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=1161&Categoryid=49
Rob Mondichak
Allentown PA.

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Protocraft gondola (was Re: Shipment of barges at Warren City Manufacturing Company)

Schleigh Mike
 

Hello Group!

My ERIE RR equipment diagrams for the three groups of orders comprising cars 10000-10824 do not mention anything about slack adjusters.

However, on another subject brought up a few days back, the note "Five cars equipped with racks for handling auto frames and renumbered 50005-50009" appears with an uncertain revision date.

This with kind regards from very wet Grove City in western Penna.----Mike Schleigh

On Sunday, October 28, 2018, 7:14:55 PM EDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Besides other details, one not mentioned - it appears to have a Royal F slack adjuster!
A very nice detail, but is it correct for the Erie cars?

Tim O'



Nice work with the photos, Claus.  Always something interesting in your treasure hunts.
Looks similar to, if not the same car, that Norm Buckhart just had done in O scale:
https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=1161&Categoryid=49
Rob Mondichak
Allentown PA.

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Protocraft gondola (was Re: Shipment of barges at Warren City Manufacturing Company)

Tim O'Connor
 


Besides other details, one not mentioned - it appears to have a Royal F slack adjuster!
A very nice detail, but is it correct for the Erie cars?

Tim O'



Nice work with the photos, Claus.  Always something interesting in your treasure hunts.
Looks similar to, if not the same car, that Norm Buckhart just had done in O scale:
https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=1161&Categoryid=49
Rob Mondichak
Allentown PA.

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Large wheel made by Otis Iron & Steel Company

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

I was thinking it was for crushing rock or ore. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Oct 28, 2018, at 5:09 PM, Daniel A. Mitchell <danmitch@...> wrote:

Not a gear of any usual kind. Tooth form all wrong for a herringbone gear. The teeth (lugs?) appear like just triangular bars. Almost like a steam-tractor wheel. Perhaps some kind of turbine wheel? Or maybe for some imbossing purpose? Very odd.

Dan Mitchell
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On Oct 28, 2018, at 3:53 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
For your viewing enjoyment...
 
A nice set of images shows the unloading (?) of a "Large wheel made by Otis Iron & Steel Company" from a NYC&HR flat. Probably a specialized type of geared wheel.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Claus Schlund


Re: Shipment of barges at Warren City Manufacturing Company

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Agreed! There were MANY amphibious landing operations using such craft. The largest (far bigger than D-Day) was Okinawa. They also were used in many smaller opertions, like crossing the Rhine river. They continued in use long after WWII, though amphibious vehicles gradually replaced them for personnel transport.

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Oct 28, 2018, at 5:02 PM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"It's May 10, 1944 - less than a month before D-Day! They'd better get it going quickly if it's going to be useful. :-)"

There were far more amphibious operations (many conducted by the Army without the Marine Corps) conducted during World War II than just Overlord.  Rest assured this craft will be put to good use somewhere in the world.


Ben Hom


Re: Auto Frame Loads In Gondolas

Matt Smith
 

Also another link using the Speedwitch 41’ 6” gondola which were used for auto frames as well. This series ended up on the GM&O.

http://prototopics.blogspot.com/2017/05/building-dt-7000-series-gon-or-nothing.html
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Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


Re: Auto Frame Loads In Gondolas

Matt Smith
 

Here’s a link to modeling auto frames with a DT&I car.

http://dti.railfan.net/Model_Building_Articles/Freight_Cars/DT&I_9100s_Model/G31DFrameRackInstr.html

Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


Re: Poultry Cars

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Kristen pointed this out in her fine presentation. The mesh is in several horizontal bands separated by open spaces (slots) through which the ends of the board decks protrude.

Thus the already complicated sides are actually far more complicated than they at first appear. The Ambroid car completey avoids the issue by incorrectly covering the entire side of the car with mesh (except the rider’s cabin).

All this, however, has nothing to do with our continuing discussion on the most approriate material to use to represent the wire mesh. It’s still there … just in narrow strips instead of a big sheet. Several suggestions have been made for mesh material on HO scale cars.

The whole issue is slightly less confusing for O and larger scales as the mesh coarser and less effected by optical problems.

Dan Mitchell
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On Oct 28, 2018, at 4:36 PM, James SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:

The problem is not just the mesh. Notice that the mesh is not continuous top to bottom of the car. It is in bands fastened to horizontal runners. Also notice that they are wooden shelves that are the bottom of the cages with wire dividers and internal bar doors. All of the models I have seen present each end of the car is one open cage. They are not. There are 32 individual cages in each quadrant of the car. My question is how to model that significant feature. 
 
 
J. Stephen Sandifer
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniel A. Mitchell
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 9:17 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Poultry Cars
 
Indeed! The dimensions are close to those required, to my surprise.
 
Still, the mesh shown is far to opaque to represent the mesh on the poultry cars. In my profession I had opportunity to work with a variety of such SS mesh in scientific sieves, filters, and such. I never saw any that was much better than 50% transparent, regardless of mesh size. Some of this problem may be due to the shiny surface of the SS mesh reflecting light. With sizes much below 0.020” things begin to look very different as light reacts differently to small objects than it does to large objects. Diffraction softens the appearance of all edges making small things look larger than they actually are. Thus a part of the problem here is physics. It’s similar to the problem of flat vs. glossy surfaces … such things to NOT "scale” as we expect since the light we view them with cannot be "scaled”.
 
Thus one faces the question… “Do you want it to be “scale”, or look like it is “scale? … choose ONE!  You can’t have both.
 
Another issue is that none of the photos I’ve seen of the poultry cars show shiny stainless wire mesh … more likely it was galvanized, a dull gray color, or painted. A real problem would be painting the very fine wire mesh screen without further blocking the holes in the mesh and reducing transparency. Perhaps some kind of chemical metal-blackening would work?
 
In my opinion adequate transparency is the most important issue here. YMMV.
 
Dan Mitchell
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On Oct 26, 2018, at 10:54 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:
 
400 mesh specs are 400x400 per in., opening size 0.0013 in. sq., 0.0010 in. wire diameter. This mesh was used for window screed, so it’s smaller than chicken wire. Anyone interested in chicken wire should have no trouble finding a suitable mesh on the TWP web page, just look at the spec. chart and match 0.0172 in. sq. Turn the wire 45° for a diamond pattern.
 
Nelson Moyer
 
From: main@... [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 9:39 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Poultry Cars
 
In her presentation, Kristen said the mesh on the car at St Louis measured:
1/8” woven wire, 1.5”x1.5” vertical diamond pattern
In HO that calls for a  0.0172 x 0.0172 mesh
 
Doug  Harding
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jake Schaible
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 6:26 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Poultry Cars
 
Nelson,
Where did you she her presentation?  I'm one of those whom work kept me from attending.  
The screen I measured on the existent poultry car in StL, IIRC, is a rather simple welded wire diamond mesh pattern of ~ 1.1" x 1.1" square.  
Cheers,
Jake
 



Re: Large wheel made by Otis Iron & Steel Company

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Not a gear of any usual kind. Tooth form all wrong for a herringbone gear. The teeth (lugs?) appear like just triangular bars. Almost like a steam-tractor wheel. Perhaps some kind of turbine wheel? Or maybe for some imbossing purpose? Very odd.

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Oct 28, 2018, at 3:53 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
For your viewing enjoyment...
 
A nice set of images shows the unloading (?) of a "Large wheel made by Otis Iron & Steel Company" from a NYC&HR flat. Probably a specialized type of geared wheel.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Claus Schlund


Re: Shipment of barges at Warren City Manufacturing Company

Ralph W. Brown
 

We called them “Mike boats” in Vietnam.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Tim O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 4:51 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Shipment of barges at Warren City Manufacturing Company
 

Landing Craft, Mechanized... LCM-3... as the web page says. LCVP was similar.


Claus Schlund  wrote:
"There is a nice image linked below showing the shipment of a barge in an ERIE gon."
  http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/youngstown/id/54/rec/707
 
NOT A BARGE.  This is a LCVP (Landing Craft, Vehicle, Personnel).  A barge is typically unpowered and intended to be pushed or towed by a tug.  Landing Craft are self-propelled.

(Exception:  A ship's boat assigned to a Flag Officer is referred to as a "Barge".)

Ben Hom

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Shipment of barges at Warren City Manufacturing Company

Rob M.
 

Nice work with the photos, Claus.  Always something interesting in your treasure hunts.

Looks similar to, if not the same car, that Norm Buckhart just had done in O scale:

https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=1161&Categoryid=49

Rob Mondichak
Allentown PA.


Re: Shipment of barges at Warren City Manufacturing Company

Tim O'Connor
 


Sheeesh... I'm surrounded by humorless school teachers... :'( :-| :-D

So what's the NUMBER on this Erie gondola? I'm wondering if it's one of the gondolas
built at the Dunmore Shops in 1941.

Tim

http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=youngstown&CISOPTR=54&action=2&DMSCALE=200&DMWIDTH=1200&DMHEIGHT=944




 On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 01:34 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
 It's May 10, 1944 - less than a month before D-Day! They'd better get it going quickly
 if it's going to be useful. :-)

I would suspect that the D-Day contracts were fulfilled a while ago, and the manufacturers
are now working on material for the Pacific Theater.

Dennis Storzek

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Shipment of barges at Warren City Manufacturing Company

lrkdbn
 

These pictures youv'e been sending are REAL COOL!!! Thank you!
LR King


Re: Large wheel made by Otis Iron & Steel Company

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 01:46 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=general&CISOPTR=7034&action=2&DMSCALE=200&DMWIDTH=1200&DMHEIGHT=856
That would really ruin someone's day if it fell over before the bracing was constructed.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Shipment of barges at Warren City Manufacturing Company

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 01:34 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
It's May 10, 1944 - less than a month before D-Day! They'd better get it going quickly
if it's going to be useful. :-)
I would suspect that the D-Day contracts were fulfilled a while ago, and the manufacturers are now working on material for the Pacific Theater.


Dennis Storzek


Re: Shipment of barges at Warren City Manufacturing Company

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"It's May 10, 1944 - less than a month before D-Day! They'd better get it going quickly if it's going to be useful. :-)"

There were far more amphibious operations (many conducted by the Army without the Marine Corps) conducted during World War II than just Overlord.  Rest assured this craft will be put to good use somewhere in the world.


Ben Hom


Re: CNJ boxcars in LA circa 1947?

brianleppert@att.net
 

There is a color photo of CNJ 21675 in the Steamscenes' 2002 Southern Pacific calender, month of September.  The 1923 ARA proposed design box car is directly behind a cab forward steam locomotive crossing the Carquinez Straits bridge near Martinez, CA.  The car has the larger "Statue of Liberty" herald.  Photographed by Donald Duke, so of coarse it's undated.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: Shipment of barges at Warren City Manufacturing Company

Tim O'Connor
 


Landing Craft, Mechanized... LCM-3... as the web page says. LCVP was similar.


Claus Schlund  wrote:
"There is a nice image linked below showing the shipment of a barge in an ERIE gon."
  http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/youngstown/id/54/rec/707
 
NOT A BARGE.  This is a LCVP (Landing Craft, Vehicle, Personnel).  A barge is typically unpowered and intended to be pushed or towed by a tug.  Landing Craft are self-propelled.

(Exception:  A ship's boat assigned to a Flag Officer is referred to as a "Barge".)

Ben Hom

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Large wheel made by Otis Iron & Steel Company

Tim O'Connor
 

Hi List Members,
 
For your viewing enjoyment...
 
A nice set of images shows the unloading (?) of a "Large wheel made by Otis Iron & Steel Company" from a NYC&HR flat. Probably a specialized type of geared wheel.
 
http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/general/id/7042/rec/313
http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/general/id/7038/rec/312
http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/general/id/7037/rec/311
http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/general/id/7034/rec/310
 
 
Claus Schlund

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts