A Photo-Etched side might well prove the best of the several options.

The mesh will probably need to be a bit coarser than scale to avoid optical problems and still achieve adequate transparency.

The best thing about this approach is etching the entire side in one piece, slots and all. 3D etching, or a multi-layer etch could also represent the ends of the deck boards protruding through the slots. That would greatly simplify building such a model. 

One question is how many of the old Ambroid cars are still around in salvageable form? A better one might be … if the PE sides become available, would one of the resin builders market a new car kit that uses them? I think there may indeed be a market for such. It seems well over 2000 of these cars were in service at one time, pretty much all over the country. They were NOT all that rare.

Dan Mitchell

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On Oct 30, 2018, at 3:38 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

A known and skilled "photo-etcher" was present for Kristin's second presentation and he signed on to consult and help her.

Bill Welch

On Oct 30, 2018, at 3:38 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

A known and skilled "photo-etcher" was present for Kristin's second presentation and he signed on to consult and help her.

Bill Welch

As Ben Hom mentioned, Branchline made a Despatch roof in its undecorated boxcar kits that is similar to, if not indistinguishable from, the Murphy welded roof. Others have suggested a roof from a Milwaukee ribside box car that also is quite similar if not identical.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: mike turner <yardcoolie1968@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Oct 29, 2018 9:16 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Roof Query

Just confirmed Murphy Welded Roof on SOU drawing SF-5210.

Thx for the replies.

Now to try and find an HO roof of this flavor.

Mike Turner

MP-Z35

On 10/29/2018 9:43 PM, David via Groups.Io wrote:
> Murphy Welded Roof, as shown on pp. 411-412 of the 1940 CBC. The
> panels were welded together, but the roof as a whole was riveted to
> the carbody. Milwaukee did use it on their ribside boxes.
>
> David Thompson

Murphy Welded Roof, as shown on pp. 411-412 of the 1940 CBC. The panels were welded together, but the roof as a whole was riveted to the carbody. Milwaukee did use it on their ribside boxes.

David Thompson

Stuart,

I haven't seen one specifically, but that doesn't mean they weren't there. A couple of photos show cars in CA (I have one from 1945 in Sacramento, and another in Stockton.) Pacific Wholesale Poultry in Petaluma had two of their own private cars. There was a Dairy, Swine and Poultry Special that ran in 1922 on the Atchison, Topeka, And Santa Fe RR. (Attachment)  It's a good likelihood there were some that made their way south.

While not Santa Fe, others might find interest in the book the Southern Pacific released called "Success with Poultry in California". The digital version can be found here:

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b2751859;view=1up;seq=1

Kristin D.

Shifting from mesh to operations, has anyone seen photos of poultry cars running on the Santa Fe in Southern California?

 

Stuart A. Forsyth

forsyth@...

On Oct 29, 2018, at 6:34 AM, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:

 

Here is an interior view of the “Brookport”. I’ll contact the person who sent me the photos and see if I can learn reason for the “Brookport” name.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kristin Dummler
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 6:37 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Poultry Cars

 

Doug,

I believe you are correct. The FC Brown car was a very early design that allowed crates of birds to be stacked inside for transport. Note there is no caretaker stateroom. The crates would have been stacked floor to ceiling and, with no one to feed or water the birds, most would have lost weight, and many would have likely perished on the journey.

Excellent pictures of the car in St. Louis. I have not been able to find the car's specific name. Somewhere, I am sure there are records of what it was originally called, but once P.T.C. took over and took over the remaining cars from North American, a lot of them were just left with their original designations, such as the Palace name on the side sill. Somewhere there has to be a listing of the names of the cars. Hopefully it turns up one of these days.

Kristin D.

 

On 10/28/2018 9:46 PM, Douglas Harding wrote:

Attached are two photos of the car at the National Transportation Museum in St Louis, which I have listed as the Brookport. I don’t know if that name is correct, that is how the photos were named when they came to me. This car has eight layers of cages, the top one does a smaller “screen” on the exterior, no doubt because the fascia covered the upper part of the top cage.

 

Also attached is a very different poultry car, FC Brown #104. Which appears to be a full cage design, built by AFC in 1907. I can’t quite make out the lot #, looks like it could be 9637.

I suspect this car was designed to hold standard chicken crates. As Kristen pointed out in her presentation, farmers had a problem getting their chicken crates back, so cars of this design fell out of favor.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

Attachments:

• Brookport 1773.JPG
• Brookport 1747.JPG
• Poultry FC Brown CO afc #104, 1907.jpg

 

 

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