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Re: Jones & Lauglin Tank Cars

Bruce Smith
 

​​George,


J&L had many tank cars of many types. I think that you are probably referring to the nine 20K gallon coal tar car that is so infamously represented by so many incorrect grey/silver cars?  A quick check of the 1943 ORER shows class TM. As best I can tell, the builder's photo shows ARA class II. That makes sense since the car did not have safety valves.


And actually, I don't think that ARA 204 W is a thing.  I think that you are thinking of AAR 204W ;)


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of George Courtney via Groups.Io <gsc3@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 8:11 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Jones & Lauglin Tank Cars
 
Can anyone tell me what ARA class this famous private car was?   For example ARA 204 W is one class.

Thanks,
George Courtney

Jones & Lauglin Tank Cars

George Courtney
 

Can anyone tell me what ARA class this famous private car was?   For example ARA 204 W is one class.

Thanks,
George Courtney

Re: Intermountain Announces Foobies

Bruce Smith
 

​Ron,


It is an INTERMOUNTAIN product and has always been so. They are S.F.R.D. rebuilt U.S.R.A reefers. The models can be built to represent a wide variety of classes (RR-19, 23, 25, 27, 28, 32, 33, 34, 35). I may have missed one or two classes. These are pretty good models of these cars and are an essential component of any steam era reefer fleet (unless you model UP/SP).


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 4:49 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Intermountain Announces Foobies
 
Maybe I'm missing something.  Is this an old Red Caboose product, and what's the prototype supposed to be?  I honestly don't remember this car from the RC line, but I know it's not the 36' meat reefer because I built one of those.

Ron Merrick

Re: More Barriger Pics

mofwcaboose
 

I  still print b&w negatives and the glossy side had better be on the top if the resulting print is to be correct with lettering running forward instead of backwards. The exceptions sometimes occur with copy negatives.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL


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From: Roger Huber via Groups.Io <trainpainter@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Nov 6, 2018 7:11 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] More Barriger Pics

If I remember correctly from my B&W negative printing days many, many years ago there was a glossy side and a dull side to B&W negs. I don't remember which side is which for sure but I think glossy is the "viewing" side. No enlarging necessary.
 
Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works



From: James SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] More Barriger Pics

Without enlarging, it is often difficult to tell which side is “up” on a flat negative (experience!). I assume these to be 2.25 x 3.25 or some such size. The best thing to do if unsure is enlarge after the scan and look for something to prove you did it right. If it is backward, it is simple to reverse the image with Photoshop without rescanning.
 
 
J. Stephen Sandifer
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Huber via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 5, 2018 1:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] More Barriger Pics
 
Neat photos. Love the signal bridge and semaphore too.
 
I have a question about photos in library collections. Why are they often printed backwards like these two?
 
Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works
 

From: David via Groups.Io <jaydeet2001@...>
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 5, 2018 1:54 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] More Barriger Pics
 
Tatum end on B&O 81922:
 
GATC 1917 tank with safety valve elbow:
 
David Thompson
 
 
 
 
 
 


Re: More Barriger Pics

David Soderblom
 

Given that the negatives are written on, I will guess they were glass plates, which is amenable to that. In any case, the person doing the scan would easily see that writing on the non-emulsion side of the negative and be likely to place that face-up, hence the apparently backwards scans. Seeing that the car lettering (or whatever) was backwards would have required a loupe, hence more time.


David Soderblom
Baltimore MD USA
drs@...

Re: More Barriger Pics

Roger Huber
 

If I remember correctly from my B&W negative printing days many, many years ago there was a glossy side and a dull side to B&W negs. I don't remember which side is which for sure but I think glossy is the "viewing" side. No enlarging necessary.
 
Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works



From: James SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] More Barriger Pics

Without enlarging, it is often difficult to tell which side is “up” on a flat negative (experience!). I assume these to be 2.25 x 3.25 or some such size. The best thing to do if unsure is enlarge after the scan and look for something to prove you did it right. If it is backward, it is simple to reverse the image with Photoshop without rescanning.
 
 
J. Stephen Sandifer
 
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Huber via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, November 5, 2018 1:59 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] More Barriger Pics
 
Neat photos. Love the signal bridge and semaphore too.
 
I have a question about photos in library collections. Why are they often printed backwards like these two?
 
Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works
 

From: David via Groups.Io <jaydeet2001@...>
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 5, 2018 1:54 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] More Barriger Pics
 
Tatum end on B&O 81922:
 
GATC 1917 tank with safety valve elbow:
 
David Thompson
 
 
 
 
 
 


Re: Help find Martin Loften article

RICH CHAPIN
 

A search of the Trains Index for “Lofton” yielded 26 articles in Mainline Modeler; these are the closest to you query on a “Rock Island war time hopper”

 

War Emergency Gons - 41' AAR design

by Martin Lofton 

from Mainline Modeler January 1992  p. 20

 

Rock Island covered hopper - modeling the railroad rebuild

by Martin Lofton 

from Mainline Modeler July 1987  p. 48

 

 

 

 

Rich Chapin

27 Quincy Rd

Basking Ridge, NJ 07920-2222

 

Re: Help find Martin Loften article

Tim O'Connor
 


You mean the MM 7/1987 article?

I remember a model of a Rock Island war time hopper that was built using information from a Martin Lofton article in Mainline Modeler.  Can someone with the month and year this article appeared ?  Thank You for you time and effort to to help in advance.
Lester Breuer

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: New York Central oval logo

Noel Widdifield
 

All of these Central Headlight articles on the oval are online on our NYCSHS website, www.nycshs.org and the articles about the oval can be seen at https://nycshs.org/nycs-research-information/
Thanks, Noel
Noel Widdifield
NYCSHS Director

Re: Help find Martin Loften article

James E Kubanick
 

Lester,

If you are referring to a covered Hopper, my file indicates that is a two part article appear in the following MLM issues: 7/87, pg. 48 and 8/87, pg. 69.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Tuesday, November 6, 2018, 5:36:06 PM EST, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:


I remember a model of a Rock Island war time hopper that was built using information from a Martin Lofton article in Mainline Modeler.  Can someone with the month and year this article appeared ?  Thank You for you time and effort to to help in advance.
Lester Breuer

Re: Help find Martin Loften article

Brian Carlson
 

There have been a few “help me find an article” requests lately.  
It’s a good time to remind people of this link

http://www.olimpia.com:8084/SearchPage.html 

The NMRA searchable index.  I searched Martin Lofton (assuming Lester meant Lofton) and got a return of 629 articles.    Not all from That Martin Lofton.  I didn’t see the RI hopper article. I did see RI gon articles. 


There is also this one. But I think you have to register for it. 

http://trc.trains.com/magazineindex/ 


Brian J. Carlson 

On Nov 6, 2018, at 5:36 PM, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

I remember a model of a Rock Island war time hopper that was built using information from a Martin Lofton article in Mainline Modeler.  Can someone with the month and year this article appeared ?  Thank You for you time and effort to to help in advance.
Lester Breuer

Re: Intermountain Announces Foobies

Tim O'Connor
 

Nelson

Where have you been for the last 20 years? Intermountain (Frank Angstead) has
never had qualms about applying incorrect paint schemes to models to increase
sales. It's ALWAYS been "buyer beware" with Intermountain models.

The number of HO scale vendors of RTR models who DON'T produce foobies can be
counted on the fingers of one hand - Moloco. Tangent. Ok, that's it, I'm done. ;-)

Tim O'Connor

---------------------------

I just got the October 19 new product reservation form for Intermountain wood side reefers. It appears that they are painting one of their SFRD reefers in a number of schemes without regard for prototype detail. Specifically, they announced RR 34461 as a BREX 75500 series car. The BREX prototype had wood sides and ends, Murphy panel roof, wood hatch platforms, fishbelly center sill, no brake step, top mounted uncoupling levers, and a horizontal brake wheel. These cars were rebuilt in the 1940s to include removal of the wood hatch platforms, use of a Hutchins roof, and addition of a brake step. The intermountain car doesn’t have a fishbelly center sill, it lacks the distinctive wraparound corner reinforcement on the sills, but it does have wood hatch platforms of the original car. The ends and roof aren’t visible in the announcement. The reweigh date from intermountain is 7-47, so this car would be one of the rebuilds. Bottom line, the Intermountain car in no way resembles the prototype, and if they release this car as announced, it will be one of the worst foobies ever. I emailed Intermountain and sent a photo of BREX 75535 for their edification. When will they ever learn.
 
I can’t evaluate the PFE, WFE, NP, MDT, LRX, or BAR prototypes, but I would expect knowledgeable modelers to find problems with those cars as well.
 
Nelson Moyer

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Intermountain Announces Foobies

mopacfirst
 

Maybe I'm missing something.  Is this an old Red Caboose product, and what's the prototype supposed to be?  I honestly don't remember this car from the RC line, but I know it's not the 36' meat reefer because I built one of those.

Ron Merrick

Help find Martin Loften article

Lester Breuer
 

I remember a model of a Rock Island war time hopper that was built using information from a Martin Lofton article in Mainline Modeler.  Can someone with the month and year this article appeared ?  Thank You for you time and effort to to help in advance.
Lester Breuer

Re: New York Central oval logo

Hugh Guillaume
 

Consulting the NYCSHS is the best way to answer questions about the oval herald.  The NYCSHS publishes a quarterly, the Central Headlight.  Back issues are available on discs.  Articles on the evolution of the oval have been published.  I have all the back issues.  When I have time I will look up the oval articles.  H.T. Guillaume, former director, NYCSHS

Re: Intermountain Announces Foobies

George Courtney
 

Desperate for cash flow with the loss of their main supplier?  That's a question, not a suggestion.

George Courtney

Re: Rapido NP boxcar, K brake question

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Stephen,
 
>> why don’t Mfg. blacken wheelsets? <<
 
Most if not all Mfg. actually do blacken their wheel sets - chemically. But if you are speaking of PAINTIING them (with black or a mix of rust, grime or whatever) this would make the car considerably more expensive as there would be several steps necessary to accomplish an accaptable result. Think of masking treads and axle ends and more difficult handling after painting.
 
Many greetings
 
Johannes
 
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Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido NP boxcar, K brake question

I also replaced the coupler. The Kadee copy used the old style Kadee spring and mine would not center dependably. I put whisker couplers in and that problem was solved. I also painted the wheels first thing – why don’t Mfg. blacken wheelsets? I had none of the problems you describe with trucks or truck screws.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

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Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:51 AM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido NP boxcar, K brake question

 

I just picked up my pre-war model a couple of days ago. I'll paint the wheels and truck side frames, and probably replace the couplers with #58s. As Eric mentioned, the existing couplers are metal Kadee #5 replicas, with metal knuckle springs. While I'm mildly disappointed that Rapido chose to use these instead of the path Tangent has taken, I did appreciate the rust color (which included the "air" hose).

 

I had to do some tuning to the truck mounting. One truck would rock toward one side of the car body, but not the other; the other truck would rock toward toward the car center, but not toward the coupler.

 

The root cause was twofold. The first issue was with the mounting screws themselves - which were poorly formed. The screw head and washer are a single part, but the washer is not concentric with the head - think of a cam lobe. I fiddled with the location of the lobe until I found a location that allowed the truck to rock equally in most directions.

 

The second issue was one of the screws was driven in crooked.  The fiddling described above also mitigated this issue.

 

Although both were easily overcome, these two quality issues were disappointing given the cost of the model. The screw shape issue especially seems like it would be easy to fix - better screws!

 

 

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio

 

 

On Friday, October 26, 2018, 12:25:16 PM EDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

 

 

Yes. I got a four-pack of the Pre-War cars. Three of them will be sent to others modeling the 1920s and 1930s. Out of the box, these models look downright amazing.

 

In a quick overview I noticed a couple of things.

 

- The models have a 1937 reweigh date. NP lettering was spartan so a paint out and a 1925 or 1926 reweigh date will be an easy fix.

- The stencil on the air reservoir on the brake casting is upside down, which made me chuckle. It's hard to read as it is.

- The model has two grabs on the left end of the car sides. The uppermost grab will need to be removed for a pre-1930 appearance. Rapido only had one basic version made and used different paint and lettering styles.

- The models are equipped with a metal Kadee-like coupler that I will change out to a preferred Accurail Proto:HO coupler.

- The wheels will need to be painted.

 

 

I was told at RPM Chicagoland that the basic car represents the rebuilt version so the sheathing is not reflective of the original center-bead board. This is difficult to see at a 12-inch view. It will be a pretty quick addition to my 1926 fleet.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io ] On Behalf Of Alexander Schneider Jr
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 11:26 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Rapido NP boxcar, K brake question

 

I received mine, and I have a question about the K brake system. I don’t see any connection between the lever on the “A” end and the rest of the system. My 1928 Car Builders Cyclopedia shows a connecting rod between the two levers. I can’t imagine it would be between the underframe channels. Any ideas?

 

Alex Schneider

 

,_

 

Re: Buffalo Creek PS-1's question

Tim O'Connor
 


Thanks Ed! I did not know that Gypsum changed from their "expanded metal"
design to a rectangular grid design. Has that been covered in RPCYC? I looked
for photos to compare them but there are none in my Car Builder Cycs. Blaw-Knox
also had a grid design.. it would be great to have a side-by-side of all of them.

Tim O'

========================

 Anyone know what type of running boards were applied to the BCK 1000-1499
 and 2000-2499 PS-1 box cars? This information is not contained in the PS-1
 spreadsheets I have... :-(



 Tim,
 BCK 1000-1499, built 7-8/52, Apex Tri-lok.
 BCK 2000-2249, built 10-56 Apex Tri-lok (design with wider grid spacing).
 BCK 2250-2499, built 10-56, U.S. Gypsum (post-1954 rectangular-grid design).
 Regards,
 Ed Hawkins


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Intermountain Announces Foobies

Nelson Moyer
 

I just got the October 19 new product reservation form for Intermountain wood side reefers. It appears that they are painting one of their SFRD reefers in a number of schemes without regard for prototype detail. Specifically, they announced RR 34461 as a BREX 75500 series car. The BREX prototype had wood sides and ends, Murphy panel roof, wood hatch platforms, fishbelly center sill, no brake step, top mounted uncoupling levers, and a horizontal brake wheel. These cars were rebuilt in the 1940s to include removal of the wood hatch platforms, use of a Hutchins roof, and addition of a brake step. The intermountain car doesn’t have a fishbelly center sill, it lacks the distinctive wraparound corner reinforcement on the sills, but it does have wood hatch platforms of the original car. The ends and roof aren’t visible in the announcement. The reweigh date from intermountain is 7-47, so this car would be one of the rebuilds. Bottom line, the Intermountain car in no way resembles the prototype, and if they release this car as announced, it will be one of the worst foobies ever. I emailed Intermountain and sent a photo of BREX 75535 for their edification. When will they ever learn.

 

I can’t evaluate the PFE, WFE, NP, MDT, LRX, or BAR prototypes, but I would expect knowledgeable modelers to find problems with those cars as well.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

new NP box car

Tony Thompson
 

I’ve just posted a review of Rapido’s new model. If you’re interested it’s at the link below.

https://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2018/11/rqpidos-new-np-box-car.html

Tony Thompson
tony@...