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Re: Foobies

Jon Miller
 

On 11/8/2018 2:41 AM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Well known, from FUBAR.

The term was used in "Saving Private Ryan" but probably passed by most everyone.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: Foobies

Bruce Smith
 

Interesting, and not the story I was told… I think that there is a second etymology for the term “foobie” coming from a contraction of “fake” and “boobie”, and referring to silicone breast implants. This view is supported by the Urban Dictionary

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Nov 8, 2018, at 4:41 AM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Well known, from FUBAR. Look it up for full story.
Tony Thompson 


On Nov 8, 2018, at 3:30 AM, m repka via Groups.Io <mikerepka@...> wrote:

Wonder who came up with that strange description of something non-prototype? Mike R.

Re: Foobies

Dave Parker
 

Foobies comes from FUBAR?  Hmmm....  Tony suggested looking it up, so I did:

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Foobies

This etymology makes a lot more sense to me.  YMMV.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA

Re: USAX 22123

Donald B. Valentine
 

There were still some there some ten years ago and did not look to have moved since the first time I saw them 
in 1973. Definitely suffering from years of neglect, however, with threes growing up around them and through them.
Don't know how the steel was but the wood was basically shot. I went looking for them when in Mt.Union still thinking
some of these should be in a museum and restored. Would love to see one at Strasburg for Lyn's freight train.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Foobies

Marty McGuirk
 

I think the origin may well come from an old Navy  (though I’m sure it’s not looking limited to the Navy!) saying “FUBAR”

Marty McGuirk


On Nov 8, 2018, at 1:30 AM, m repka via Groups.Io <mikerepka@...> wrote:

Wonder who came up with that strange description of something non-prototype? Mike R.

Re: Foobies

Tony Thompson
 

Well known, from FUBAR. Look it up for full story.
Tony Thompson 


On Nov 8, 2018, at 3:30 AM, m repka via Groups.Io <mikerepka@...> wrote:

Wonder who came up with that strange description of something non-prototype? Mike R.

Foobies

m repka
 

Wonder who came up with that strange description of something non-prototype? Mike R.

Re: Intermountain Announces Foobies

Tim O'Connor
 

You also implied they weren't "diligent" whatever that means to a
manufacturer's sales force or production planners. I just pointed out
that MANY of their kits are available. Given the difficulties and months
of planning ahead it takes to have products made and packaged in China, I
think the lack of availability most likely reflects the lack of demand.

Tim O'Connor

Since the topic was the PFE 30-9 I thought it was clear that they had none of those kits in Undecorated form.
Bill Welch
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Re: Intermountain Announces Foobies

Bill Welch
 

Since the topic was the PFE 30-9 I thought it was clear that they had none of those kits in Undecorated form.

Bill Welch

Re: Rapido NP boxcar, K brake question

Todd Sullivan
 

Some of my 4 Rapido NP 10000-13999 series cars looked like they were riding a bit high, but then I carefully seated the trucks on their body-mounted 'king pins' and they looked a lot better.  I checked the Jan 1952 ORER, and the height to the top of the running board is 13'-8"; my cars measure 14'-0", about 4" taller.  Modifying the king pins does not look like it would be easy, so I can probably live with that for a while.

Todd Sullivan.

Re: SFRD reefers (was Intermountain Announces Foobies)

Tim O'Connor
 

I'll leave it to the UP modelers to decide for themselves if an SFRD reefer is essential or not.
> - Jeff Aley

On the Overland route (Roseville-Ogden-Cheyenne-Omaha) I expect SFRD reefers would be relatively
rare (maybe < 1 in 100) but in terminal areas near big cities, possibly much more common. And ATSF
might have turned over more than a few SFRD reefers to UP for haulage up the LA&SL for delivery
to Utah or other destinations in that direction. People forget that MP (ART) loaded more reefers
in Texas than either PFE or ATSF, and produce loaded on any of those roads in Texas could easily
end up on other railroads for delivery to destinations not reached by the originating road.

I guess I'm saying that each layout has to consider where the cars are coming from, and going to,
on THAT layout, and then let the cards fall where they may.



--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Re: Intermountain Announces Foobies

Bruce Smith
 

Jeff,


That's a total of 1416​ reefers, with 46 SFRD for an average frequency of just a hair over 3%. Meaning that if you have 100 reefers, around 3 of them should be SFRD.


The asymmetry is interesting but from my perspective not surprising. We generally think of the UP/SP as originating loads for reefers and that is generally true and the genesis of my comment, but there were population centers that would have wanted produce from regions served by the SFRD and so inbound loads could be a source of those cars. IIRC, Richard Hendrickson also noted that the PFE was occasionally short of cars and that SFRD was a preferred choice of theirs for additional cars.


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 7:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Intermountain Announces Foobies
 

Bruce,

 

               In regard to SFRD reefers, you wrote, “These are pretty good models of these cars and are an essential component of any steam era reefer fleet (unless you model UP/SP).”

 

Hmm.  Looking at the UP conductor book of Mr. DeBoie, I find:

X3569E had 43 reefers, including 5 SFRD.

X1451E had 32 reefers, no SFRD.

 

From another UP conductor’s book, the aggregate of all trains had 479 reefers, 39 SFRD.

 

UP Freight Conductor Traud had an aggregate of 813 reefers, and only 2 SFRD – both carrying merchandise.

 

UP Freight Conductor Harrison had 49 reefers, and no SFRD.

 

               I’ll leave it to the UP modelers to decide for themselves if an SFRD reefer is “essential” or not.  The variation in the samples is quite interesting (39 out of 479 for one conductor; 2 out of 813 for another conductor).

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

Re: More Barriger Pics

Donald B. Valentine
 

   It is not just glass plate negatives than can be written on. Almost any 
negative larger than 35 mm can be written on just as easily as a glass plate. 
Those of us who still like larger format cameras are well aware of this.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Intermountain Announces Foobies

Aley, Jeff A
 

Bruce,

 

               In regard to SFRD reefers, you wrote, “These are pretty good models of these cars and are an essential component of any steam era reefer fleet (unless you model UP/SP).”

 

Hmm.  Looking at the UP conductor book of Mr. DeBoie, I find:

X3569E had 43 reefers, including 5 SFRD.

X1451E had 32 reefers, no SFRD.

 

From another UP conductor’s book, the aggregate of all trains had 479 reefers, 39 SFRD.

 

UP Freight Conductor Traud had an aggregate of 813 reefers, and only 2 SFRD – both carrying merchandise.

 

UP Freight Conductor Harrison had 49 reefers, and no SFRD.

 

               I’ll leave it to the UP modelers to decide for themselves if an SFRD reefer is “essential” or not.  The variation in the samples is quite interesting (39 out of 479 for one conductor; 2 out of 813 for another conductor).

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2018 6:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Intermountain Announces Foobies

 

​Ron,

 

It is an INTERMOUNTAIN product and has always been so. They are S.F.R.D. rebuilt U.S.R.A reefers. The models can be built to represent a wide variety of classes (RR-19, 23, 25, 27, 28, 32, 33, 34, 35). I may have missed one or two classes. These are pretty good models of these cars and are an essential component of any steam era reefer fleet (unless you model UP/SP).

 

Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

Re: Intermountain Announces Foobies

Tim O'Connor
 


  > No Undecorated kits however. I wish IM would be more diligent about keeping these available.
  > Bill Welch

From Intermountain's web site - (omitting NUMEROUS kits too modern for STMFC)

  undecorated kit - 50' PS-1 double door w/ cushion underframe (1960+)
  undecorated kit - 50' PS-1 single door w/ cushion underframe (1960+)
  undecorated kit - SFRD refrigerator car
  undecorated kit - 10,000 gallon tank car
  undecorated kit - R-40-10 refrigerator car
  undecorated kit - 60' PS-1 box car (1960+)
  undecorated kit - ACF 2927 covered hopper
  undecorated kit - ART refrigerator car
  undecorated kit - Milwaukee rib side box car
  undecorated kit - 1958 cuft covered hopper open sides
  undecorated kit - 1958 cuft covered hopper closed sides
  undecorated kit - AAR 10'6" box car with R+3/4 ends, 6' door
  undecorated kit - AAR 10'6" box car with R+3/4 ends, 8' door
  undecorated kit - AAR 10'6" box car with R+3/4 ends, 8' door, WELDED SIDES!!!
  undecorated kit - SP C-40-4 caboose kit

I admit it's not EVERY kit (and I omitted the locomotive kits too) - but I suspect they'd
make them more available if people were BUYING them on a regular basis.


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Intermountain Announces Foobies

Pierre Oliver
 

Dreams never die ,Bill lol


On Nov 7, 2018, at 7:24 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

No Undecorated kits however. I wish IM would be more diligent about keeping these available.

Bill Welch

Re: Intermountain Announces Foobies

Jon Miller
 

On 11/7/2018 4:24 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
I wish IM would be more diligent about keeping these available.

    Years ago when  I visited IM they did a lot of their molding in their plant and then shipped to China for assemble and painting.  Do they still do that and have most/all of their molds at the plant?

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: Intermountain Announces Foobies

Bill Welch
 

No Undecorated kits however. I wish IM would be more diligent about keeping these available.

Bill Welch

Re: Intermountain Announces Foobies

mopacfirst
 

OK, I thought so.

I do have one each of the PFE cars, and quite a few SFRD cars, in service.  I recently figured out that, with a pair of the Rydarowicz 4-4 dreadnought ends, I can make an Rr-33 out of one of the old Longs Drug kits, since I still also have several of those.  I just finished building an ART 35000 car with another pair of those ends and the MPHS/ARM kit.

Ron Merrick

Re: Intermountain Announces Foobies

Tim O'Connor
 


To clarify Bruce's clarification, Red Caboose tooled TWO PFE wood reefers.

The first cars were R-30-12's. These cars were later rebuilt (initially called R-30-12-9's
but later simply classified as R-30-9's). R-30-12's had grab iron "ladders" and were slightly
lower in height. I recall a change in the doors too, but I haven't verified from notes...
There were also R-40-9 rebuilds, but to model those you need a new underframe instead of the
Bettendorf underframe that comes with the kits.

Red Caboose ALSO tooled an incorrect R-30-12 that was later corrected, and the original
was withdrawn. But some of us still have all three cars. ;-)

Tim O'Connor


  > PFE R-30-12 and R-30-12-9 (aka R-30-9) rebuilds (wood sides) (ex Red Caboose tooling)
  > Bruce F. Smith

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts