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Re: More Barriger Pics

Donald B. Valentine
 

   It is not just glass plate negatives than can be written on. Almost any 
negative larger than 35 mm can be written on just as easily as a glass plate. 
Those of us who still like larger format cameras are well aware of this.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Intermountain Announces Foobies

Bruce Smith
 

Jeff,


That's a total of 1416​ reefers, with 46 SFRD for an average frequency of just a hair over 3%. Meaning that if you have 100 reefers, around 3 of them should be SFRD.


The asymmetry is interesting but from my perspective not surprising. We generally think of the UP/SP as originating loads for reefers and that is generally true and the genesis of my comment, but there were population centers that would have wanted produce from regions served by the SFRD and so inbound loads could be a source of those cars. IIRC, Richard Hendrickson also noted that the PFE was occasionally short of cars and that SFRD was a preferred choice of theirs for additional cars.


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 7:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Intermountain Announces Foobies
 

Bruce,

 

               In regard to SFRD reefers, you wrote, “These are pretty good models of these cars and are an essential component of any steam era reefer fleet (unless you model UP/SP).”

 

Hmm.  Looking at the UP conductor book of Mr. DeBoie, I find:

X3569E had 43 reefers, including 5 SFRD.

X1451E had 32 reefers, no SFRD.

 

From another UP conductor’s book, the aggregate of all trains had 479 reefers, 39 SFRD.

 

UP Freight Conductor Traud had an aggregate of 813 reefers, and only 2 SFRD – both carrying merchandise.

 

UP Freight Conductor Harrison had 49 reefers, and no SFRD.

 

               I’ll leave it to the UP modelers to decide for themselves if an SFRD reefer is “essential” or not.  The variation in the samples is quite interesting (39 out of 479 for one conductor; 2 out of 813 for another conductor).

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

Re: SFRD reefers (was Intermountain Announces Foobies)

Tim O'Connor
 

I'll leave it to the UP modelers to decide for themselves if an SFRD reefer is essential or not.
> - Jeff Aley

On the Overland route (Roseville-Ogden-Cheyenne-Omaha) I expect SFRD reefers would be relatively
rare (maybe < 1 in 100) but in terminal areas near big cities, possibly much more common. And ATSF
might have turned over more than a few SFRD reefers to UP for haulage up the LA&SL for delivery
to Utah or other destinations in that direction. People forget that MP (ART) loaded more reefers
in Texas than either PFE or ATSF, and produce loaded on any of those roads in Texas could easily
end up on other railroads for delivery to destinations not reached by the originating road.

I guess I'm saying that each layout has to consider where the cars are coming from, and going to,
on THAT layout, and then let the cards fall where they may.



--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Re: Rapido NP boxcar, K brake question

Todd Sullivan
 

Some of my 4 Rapido NP 10000-13999 series cars looked like they were riding a bit high, but then I carefully seated the trucks on their body-mounted 'king pins' and they looked a lot better.  I checked the Jan 1952 ORER, and the height to the top of the running board is 13'-8"; my cars measure 14'-0", about 4" taller.  Modifying the king pins does not look like it would be easy, so I can probably live with that for a while.

Todd Sullivan.

Re: Intermountain Announces Foobies

Bill Welch
 

Since the topic was the PFE 30-9 I thought it was clear that they had none of those kits in Undecorated form.

Bill Welch

Re: Intermountain Announces Foobies

Tim O'Connor
 

You also implied they weren't "diligent" whatever that means to a
manufacturer's sales force or production planners. I just pointed out
that MANY of their kits are available. Given the difficulties and months
of planning ahead it takes to have products made and packaged in China, I
think the lack of availability most likely reflects the lack of demand.

Tim O'Connor

Since the topic was the PFE 30-9 I thought it was clear that they had none of those kits in Undecorated form.
Bill Welch
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Foobies

m repka
 

Wonder who came up with that strange description of something non-prototype? Mike R.

Re: Foobies

Tony Thompson
 

Well known, from FUBAR. Look it up for full story.
Tony Thompson 


On Nov 8, 2018, at 3:30 AM, m repka via Groups.Io <mikerepka@...> wrote:

Wonder who came up with that strange description of something non-prototype? Mike R.

Re: Foobies

Marty McGuirk
 

I think the origin may well come from an old Navy  (though I’m sure it’s not looking limited to the Navy!) saying “FUBAR”

Marty McGuirk


On Nov 8, 2018, at 1:30 AM, m repka via Groups.Io <mikerepka@...> wrote:

Wonder who came up with that strange description of something non-prototype? Mike R.

Re: USAX 22123

Donald B. Valentine
 

There were still some there some ten years ago and did not look to have moved since the first time I saw them 
in 1973. Definitely suffering from years of neglect, however, with threes growing up around them and through them.
Don't know how the steel was but the wood was basically shot. I went looking for them when in Mt.Union still thinking
some of these should be in a museum and restored. Would love to see one at Strasburg for Lyn's freight train.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Foobies

Dave Parker
 

Foobies comes from FUBAR?  Hmmm....  Tony suggested looking it up, so I did:

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Foobies

This etymology makes a lot more sense to me.  YMMV.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA

Re: Foobies

Bruce Smith
 

Interesting, and not the story I was told… I think that there is a second etymology for the term “foobie” coming from a contraction of “fake” and “boobie”, and referring to silicone breast implants. This view is supported by the Urban Dictionary

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Nov 8, 2018, at 4:41 AM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Well known, from FUBAR. Look it up for full story.
Tony Thompson 


On Nov 8, 2018, at 3:30 AM, m repka via Groups.Io <mikerepka@...> wrote:

Wonder who came up with that strange description of something non-prototype? Mike R.

Re: Foobies

Jon Miller
 

On 11/8/2018 2:41 AM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Well known, from FUBAR.

The term was used in "Saving Private Ryan" but probably passed by most everyone.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
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Re: Intermountain Announces Foobies

Bob Chaparro
 

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 05:50 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:
Richard Hendrickson also noted that the PFE was occasionally short of cars and that SFRD was a preferred choice of theirs for additional cars.
Richard would know a lot more about this than I would, but...just last week Tony Thompson stated at the SPH&TS convention the ART reefers were the most used cars by PFE.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

Re: SFRD reefers (was Intermountain Announces Foobies)

Aley, Jeff A
 

Tim,

I didn't say it, but the data I posted was all from the Overland Route. I don't say that this confirms or contradicts your statement; I'm saying that modelers of that route now have some data to make a judgement.

I do assert that a realistic train of "solid" PFE reefers ought to have some non-PFE cars in it. The modeler's idea of a veritable unit train of PFE cars is a generalization and not actually true.

Regards,

-Jeff

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2018 6:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SFRD reefers (was Intermountain Announces Foobies)


> I'll leave it to the UP modelers to decide for themselves if an SFRD reefer is essential or not.
> - Jeff Aley

On the Overland route (Roseville-Ogden-Cheyenne-Omaha) I expect SFRD reefers would be relatively rare (maybe < 1 in 100) but in terminal areas near big cities, possibly much more common. And ATSF might have turned over more than a few SFRD reefers to UP for haulage up the LA&SL for delivery to Utah or other destinations in that direction. People forget that MP (ART) loaded more reefers in Texas than either PFE or ATSF, and produce loaded on any of those roads in Texas could easily end up on other railroads for delivery to destinations not reached by the originating road.

I guess I'm saying that each layout has to consider where the cars are coming from, and going to, on THAT layout, and then let the cards fall where they may.



--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Re: Foobies

Tim O'Connor
 


 > Wonder who came up with that strange description of something non-prototype? Mike R.

Mike

The very first reference I have is an email from June 4, 2007. I have a huge
archive of emails going back more than 20 years, and that is the earliest one.
After that, the word appears quite frequently.

Sometimes a word appears that we knew we needed but we didn't know what it was
until we saw it.

Tim O'Connor

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: SFRD reefers (was Intermountain Announces Foobies)

Tim O'Connor
 

Jeff

Likewise I wasn't trying to contradict you. But I have plenty of data points without
the help of conductors' lists - they're called PHOTOGRAPHS. :-);-)

LOTS of Overland route photos show foreign reefers. And I have dozens of photos of
private reefers (mostly meat reefers) on the SP in California, as well as photos of
NWX, FGEX, URTX, ART, BAR (lots of these esp post 1960), NRC (mostly post 1960).
The rarest on the SP (in California) seem to be NP and WFEX.


 I didn't say it, but the data I posted was all from the Overland Route.  I don't say that this confirms or contradicts your statement; I'm saying that modelers of that route now have some data to make a judgement.
 I do assert that a realistic train of "solid" PFE reefers ought to have some non-PFE cars in it.  The modeler's idea of a veritable unit train of PFE cars is a generalization and not actually true.
 Regards,
 -Jeff


  > I'll leave it to the UP modelers to decide for themselves if an SFRD reefer is essential or not.
  > - Jeff Aley

 On the Overland route (Roseville-Ogden-Cheyenne-Omaha) I expect SFRD reefers would be relatively rare (maybe < 1 in 100) but in terminal areas near big cities, possibly much more common. And ATSF might have turned over more than a few SFRD reefers to UP for haulage up the LA&SL for delivery to Utah or other destinations in that direction. People forget that MP (ART) loaded more reefers in Texas than either PFE or ATSF, and produce loaded on any of those roads in Texas could easily end up on other railroads for delivery to destinations not reached by the originating road.
 I guess I'm saying that each layout has to consider where the cars are coming from, and going to, on THAT layout, and then let the cards fall where they may.


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Foobies

Nelson Moyer
 

FUBAR is an acronym  for F#@&8! Up Beyond All Recognition. The link to Urban Dictionary didn’t ‘t work for me, but it probably says the same thing.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 9:21 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Foobies

 

Interesting, and not the story I was told… I think that there is a second etymology for the term “foobie” coming from a contraction of “fake” and “boobie”, and referring to silicone breast implants. This view is supported by the Urban Dictionary

 

Regards

Bruce

 

Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

 

Re: Foobies

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Nope. That link says it’s a mashup of “fake” and “boobie”

 

 

Thanks!
--
Brian Ehni

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, November 8, 2018 at 11:41 AM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Foobies

 

FUBAR is an acronym  for F#@&8! Up Beyond All Recognition. The link to Urban Dictionary didn’t ‘t work for me, but it probably says the same thing.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2018 9:21 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Foobies

 

Interesting, and not the story I was told… I think that there is a second etymology for the term “foobie” coming from a contraction of “fake” and “boobie”, and referring to silicone breast implants. This view is supported by the Urban Dictionary

 

Regards

Bruce

 

Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

 

Re: Foobies

Rod Miller
 

I read somewhere that the term FOO originated on
the MIT model railroad club. The club used computers
that had (old days) simple displays of status using
3 hexidecimal digits (0-9 A-F for a range of 16 digits)
to indicate status.

When the computer crashed, the status it would display
was the number F00 (F zero zero), which probably quickly
became the word FOO.

--
Rod Miller
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