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Re: Chalk Marks Question

Tony Thompson
 

Not sure why Prismacolor would be "too hard." You WANT hard and a super-fine point. (You're doing HO-guy handwriting.) Best done over a Dullcoat or other flat finish.
Tony Thompson 

On Nov 9, 2018, at 8:38 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

It can be tricky to sharpen Colored Pencils. Here a couple of links:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf-4a4vZYtE

https://www.art-is-fun.com/how-to-sharpen-a-colored-pencil/

I have two of the Prismacolor sharpeners and the Sandpaper Block mentioned in the second link

Bill Welch


Re: Chalk Marks Question

Bill Welch
 

It can be tricky to sharpen Colored Pencils. Here a couple of links:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf-4a4vZYtE

https://www.art-is-fun.com/how-to-sharpen-a-colored-pencil/

I have two of the Prismacolor sharpeners and the Sandpaper Block mentioned in the second link

Bill Welch


Re: Chalk Marks Question

Jim Betz
 

Hi,
  But if you do them by hand - how do you get the variations in
"handwriting styles" that you would want/need across cars?  One
car, at one point in time, was probably marked with at most 2
different "hands" ... but the next car in the cut often would have
marks from a different "hand".
                                                                                - Jim B.


Re: Chalk Marks Question

O Fenton Wells
 

Didn’t know that, Bob thanks for sharing 
Fenton Wells 


On Nov 9, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:

We use railroad chalk and keel, the smaller oilier marking material someone asked about, in bridge inspection to make notes on the structure for reference and photos. 
Keel is longer lasting and is sometimes still visible a year later. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Nov 9, 2018, at 4:31 PM, Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Chalk used by the railwoads came in very large sticks, 1" in diameter and 4" long.



Re: Palm Tree Load

Randy Hees
 

"Oregon & California" an SP/CP railroad... I believe that this is a shipment from the California Nursery at Niles CA to San Francisco for the Panama Pacific Exposition.

The trees were returned to Niles after the exposition, were planted on the Nursery grounds, which is now a City of Fremont park, and can be visited today.

Randy Hees


Re: Chalk Marks Question

Brian Carlson
 

We use railroad chalk and keel, the smaller oilier marking material someone asked about, in bridge inspection to make notes on the structure for reference and photos. 
Keel is longer lasting and is sometimes still visible a year later. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Nov 9, 2018, at 4:31 PM, Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Chalk used by the railwoads came in very large sticks, 1" in diameter and 4" long.



Re: Chalk Marks Question

Bob Chaparro
 

Speedwitch, Clover House and Microscale all make chalk mark decals. You also can used typewriter correction tape, marking through the tape with a sharp pencil point.

I found art pencils worked better than other items* I have used. And the one that worked best for me was the Prismacolor Verithin pencil. I do a clinic on chalk markings and at the end hand out Prismacolor Verithin pencils for attendees to try. Most get very good results with no practice. Be sure to get the Verithin version of the Prismacolor pencils.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
*The other items and the Prismacolor Verithin pencil


Re: Chalk Marks Question

Tim O'Connor
 

Scott

It's the only brand I use for chalk marks - and other uses too. I've never had any difficulty with them.
Only very light pressure is needed - less than I would use to draw on paper.

Tim O'Connor


 While on this subject I got a couple prismacolor pencils and they where much to hard to draw chalk marks.
 Is there another brand or type people use? Scott McDonald


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


WESTERFIELD MODELS Newsletter, Vol 7, No 4, November, 2018

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Re: Chalk Marks Question

Bob Chaparro
 

Chalk used by the railwoads came in very large sticks, 1" in diameter and 4" long.

Chalk sometimes was placed in a holder to keep the clerk’s hands clean, and as an extension when it wore down. A used fusee also could be used to hold the chalk.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Palm Tree Load

Bob Chaparro
 

This early 1900s photo from the collection of the Autry Museum of the American West shows a palm tree loaded on two O&C flat cars:

http://collections.theautry.org/mwebcgi/mweb.exe?request=record;id=M29413;type=102

Click on the photo and then zoom in to enlarge it.

Anyone recall what railroad used the O&C reporting mark? And by the way, if the flat cars were models one could speculate that the car numbers were rearranged decals.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Chalk Marks Question

Fran Giacoma
 

Scott,
I have had very good success with a Crayola Watercolor White pencil to apply chalk marks on my freight cars. It came out of my wife’s watercolor pencil set.
Fran Giacoma


Re: Chalk Marks Question

Scott
 

While on this subject I got a couple prismacolor pencils and they where much to hard to draw chalk marks.  Is there another brand or type people use?

Scott McDonald


Half Reservoir for L&N and WLE boxcars

Bill Welch
 

I have been plinking around making a part to model the Half Reservoir used on some of the L&N"s XM-1 and WLE's X29 copies. When converting some of their cars from "K" system they apparently economized by reusing the "K" reservoir and using a Half Reservoir to complete the system. I am noticing the the Two-Bolt bracket goes on the short end according the photo but that is an easy fix.

Bill Welch


Re: Chalk Marks Question

Tony Thompson
 

What is called "railroad chalk" to this day is readily available in art stores. It is one inch in diameter and photos of railroad clerks making chalk marks show it clearly. I used to prefer it when lecturing in large rooms. It comes in at least white, yellow and blue, likely other colors too.
Tony Thompson 


On Nov 9, 2018, at 3:31 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Dean,

That’s an interesting question.  I have no idea of the answer, but it seems to me that the logical answer is that it would be likely for, say, all the clerks at one yard to be using the same supply and therefore the same size chalk. That might even apply to an entire railroad, especially if it were small. Of course a big yard might give their clerks a choice of chalk size. So I think, to apply this to your modeling, you might want to have all the new chalk marks on cars coming from a specific direction to have similar thickness (and probably color) new chalk marks, with the faded chalk marks having a random range of size and color to reflect the variety of places those cars have been.

;)

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Nov 9, 2018, at 12:07 PM, Dean ONeill <doneill64@...> wrote:

I have a question(s) on chalk marks. As I look at old photos, it appears there are two "thickness" of chalk marks. 
Chalk marks made with a THIN piece of chalk, much like a school room piece of chalk. Roughly .25 inches thick or less. 
Chalk marks made with a THICK piece of chalk, much like kiddie sidewalk chalk of today. Roughly .5 inches thick. 

Any speculation on which was used under certain circumstances, or was it completely random?
Did certain RRs have a preference?
I seem to also remember from decades back a kind of non-chalk writing stick, more oily, that was more durable. Were those also used?

Thanks
Dean ONeill
Redmond WA


Re: Chalk Marks Question

Bruce Smith
 

Dean,

That’s an interesting question.  I have no idea of the answer, but it seems to me that the logical answer is that it would be likely for, say, all the clerks at one yard to be using the same supply and therefore the same size chalk. That might even apply to an entire railroad, especially if it were small. Of course a big yard might give their clerks a choice of chalk size. So I think, to apply this to your modeling, you might want to have all the new chalk marks on cars coming from a specific direction to have similar thickness (and probably color) new chalk marks, with the faded chalk marks having a random range of size and color to reflect the variety of places those cars have been.

;)

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Nov 9, 2018, at 12:07 PM, Dean ONeill <doneill64@...> wrote:

I have a question(s) on chalk marks. As I look at old photos, it appears there are two "thickness" of chalk marks. 
Chalk marks made with a THIN piece of chalk, much like a school room piece of chalk. Roughly .25 inches thick or less. 
Chalk marks made with a THICK piece of chalk, much like kiddie sidewalk chalk of today. Roughly .5 inches thick. 

Any speculation on which was used under certain circumstances, or was it completely random?
Did certain RRs have a preference?
I seem to also remember from decades back a kind of non-chalk writing stick, more oily, that was more durable. Were those also used?

Thanks
Dean ONeill
Redmond WA


Chalk Marks Question

Dean ONeill
 

I have a question(s) on chalk marks. As I look at old photos, it appears there are two "thickness" of chalk marks. 
Chalk marks made with a THIN piece of chalk, much like a school room piece of chalk. Roughly .25 inches thick or less. 
Chalk marks made with a THICK piece of chalk, much like kiddie sidewalk chalk of today. Roughly .5 inches thick. 

Any speculation on which was used under certain circumstances, or was it completely random?
Did certain RRs have a preference?
I seem to also remember from decades back a kind of non-chalk writing stick, more oily, that was more durable. Were those also used?

Thanks
Dean ONeill
Redmond WA


ADMIN - Foobie thread is terminated

Aley, Jeff A
 

Hi Folks,

 

               Effective immediately, the thread on the word “Foobie” is terminated.  Let’s get back to steam-era freight cars.

 

Thanks,

 

-Jeff Aley

Deputy Moderator, STMFC

 

 


Re: Foobies

A&Y Dave in MD
 

No one is allowed to refer to Museum quality accurate replicas of steam era freight cars as “troobies”...not even a helium car.

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On Nov 8, 2018, at 2:45 PM, Dave Parker via Groups.Io <spottab@...> wrote:

Wow!  Talk about a wandering thread.

The original query concerned the origin of the term "foobie" to describe something "non-prototype".

Two members advanced the theory, without any tangible evidence, that "foobie" is somehow derived from FUBAR, a widely understood acronym that has been around for something like 75 years.

Bruce Smith and I basically said, not so fast.  Non-functioning links to the Urban Dictionary aside, a 10-second search with Google for "foobie definition" yields only one solid result:  a contraction of fake and boobie (i.e., augmented breasts).

This definition makes perfect sense in the context of the original query.  A foobie is attractive, appealing because it seems to be authentic.  But it's not.  It's fake, false, faux.  Sometimes subtly, other times more obviously.  But it is not FUBAR, unless it is a particularly egregious foobie

The only connection that I can find between foobie and FUBAR is that computer nerds occasionally use the former as shorthand for an audio program called foobar2000 or foobar2k (description can be found in Wikipedia).

With luck, maybe we can terminate this thread soon.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: Foobies

Dave Parker
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

Foobie caught on here.

Undeniably, but I think the original question was where did the term come from?

Unfortunately, the OED doesn't contain an entry for foobie (or fooby or phoobie).  There was a website called foobies.com that dates to 2006.  It very much had to do with female anatomy.  You can read about it here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fark

BTW, the foobies domain name is for sale if anybody wants to acquire it and repurpose it for the RPM community.

And, for the military history buffs, the OED gives the first known usage of FUBAR as a quote from Yank magazine, in January of 1944.  Apparently there was a FUBAR squadron.  (And maybe the kid in Private Ryan should be forgiven for not knowing the term?)

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA

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