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Speaking of Reefers

csxt5555
 

Does anybody know where I can find drawings for an R40-10 reefer? I thought I saw them published a while ago but I couldn’t remember.

Thanks
Kevin


Re: Sante Fe Express Box car easy to convert to "normal" freight car?

vapeurchapelon
 

John,
 
many thanks again, but - it may be strange, but this model would be for my 100%-brass freight train I am currently building.
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Montag, 12. November 2018 um 19:22 Uhr
Von: "John Barry" <northbaylines@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Sante Fe Express Box car easy to convert to "normal" freight car?
The Walthers (LifeLike) is a reasonable stand in out of the box but the decorated versions have an incorrect side panel count for the Santa Fe car.  The correct side panels are on the end door versions and a solution for an accurate model is to replace the end doors with an A end from another kit, cut out the side sill tabs, and repaint to suit.  As built, the freight versions came with Barber S-2 trucks, but many freight units got the Allied full cushion units in truck swaps with the passenger versions when they had derailment issues.  Others got ASF ride control trucks.
 
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA
 
707-490-9696 
 
PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

 


From: vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Sante Fe Express Box car easy to convert to "normal" freight car?
 
Many thanks John,
 
I am modelling the early post-war years up to maybe '52 or '53. According to your notes it would be better to cenvert the model. (After I have found one - I am not the winner of this auction...)
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Montag, 12. November 2018 um 18:23 Uhr
Von: "John Barry" <northbaylines@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Sante Fe Express Box car easy to convert to "normal" freight car?
Johannes,
 
The ARA class BX Fe-24 represented by the Coach Yard model occasionally found it's way into freights as I've seen one photo of an instance in Ohio.  That said, it depends on when you model.  After AMTRAK, they all went into freight service, prior to that, the passenger equipped Fe-24s would be assigned to freight service during lulls in the express business.  So during WWII and Korea or any year during the Christmas rush, green express boxes in freights not so much.
 
John
 
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA
 
707-490-9696 
 
PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

 

From: vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 11:46 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Sante Fe Express Box car easy to convert to "normal" freight car?
 
Hello friends,

please have a look at this model:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-CY-AT-amp-SF-Express-Boxcar-FP-4211-Green-/142961353520?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=9mTv0M29qUj01fYqS%252B2D1Me5tKU%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc

In order to convert it to an ordinary Box car, would it be sufficient just to remove the steam line, to add freight car coupler lift bars and a new paint job of course?
(Or did these cars in this form run in freight trains occasionally?)

Many thanks

Johannes

 
 

 


Re: AM I LOSING IT?

Pete Ismail
 

Sounds like it could be the March 1983 RMC?

Pete Ismail


On Monday, November 12, 2018, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:

I have a very vivid recollection of plans (and an article) of a PFE R-40-4 refer that appeared in a RMC issue in the 80’s or 90’s.
The cover of this issue as I recall had a collage of items (including a John Allen character) in some sort af aniversity issue.
I have combed the site that indexes the RMC issues and this cover does not appear.  This was not one fo the issues that had
Tony Thompson’s excellent series on PFE.

Does anyone else recall this or is it a Pigment of m imagination?

Thanks:

Bill Pardie



Re: AM I LOSING IT?

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Pardie hyperventilated:
"I have a very vivid recollection of plans (and an article) of a PFE R-40-4 refer that appeared in a RMC issue in the 80’s or 90’s.
The cover of this issue as I recall had a collage of items (including a John Allen character) in some sort [of] [anniversary] issue.
I have combed the site that indexes the RMC issues and this cover does not appear.  This was not one [of] the issues that had
Tony Thompson’s excellent series on PFE.

Does anyone else recall this or is it a Pigment of my imagination?"

Not sure what color palette your imagination operates in...
Railroad Model Craftsman, March 1983.  The article you're looking for is Bob Mohowski's "End of the Ice Age - PFE reefers" on page 71.


Ben Hom 


AM I LOSING IT?

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I have a very vivid recollection of plans (and an article) of a PFE R-40-4 refer that appeared in a RMC issue in the 80’s or 90’s.
The cover of this issue as I recall had a collage of items (including a John Allen character) in some sort af aniversity issue.
I have combed the site that indexes the RMC issues and this cover does not appear. This was not one fo the issues that had
Tony Thompson’s excellent series on PFE.

Does anyone else recall this or is it a Pigment of m imagination?

Thanks:

Bill Pardie


Re: Sante Fe Express Box car easy to convert to "normal" freight car?

John Barry
 

The Walthers (LifeLike) is a reasonable stand in out of the box but the decorated versions have an incorrect side panel count for the Santa Fe car.  The correct side panels are on the end door versions and a solution for an accurate model is to replace the end doors with an A end from another kit, cut out the side sill tabs, and repaint to suit.  As built, the freight versions came with Barber S-2 trucks, but many freight units got the Allied full cushion units in truck swaps with the passenger versions when they had derailment issues.  Others got ASF ride control trucks.
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Sante Fe Express Box car easy to convert to "normal" freight car?

Many thanks John,
 
I am modelling the early post-war years up to maybe '52 or '53. According to your notes it would be better to cenvert the model. (After I have found one - I am not the winner of this auction...)
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Montag, 12. November 2018 um 18:23 Uhr
Von: "John Barry" <northbaylines@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Sante Fe Express Box car easy to convert to "normal" freight car?
Johannes,
 
The ARA class BX Fe-24 represented by the Coach Yard model occasionally found it's way into freights as I've seen one photo of an instance in Ohio.  That said, it depends on when you model.  After AMTRAK, they all went into freight service, prior to that, the passenger equipped Fe-24s would be assigned to freight service during lulls in the express business.  So during WWII and Korea or any year during the Christmas rush, green express boxes in freights not so much.
 
John
 
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA
 
707-490-9696 
 
PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

 

From: vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 11:46 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Sante Fe Express Box car easy to convert to "normal" freight car?
 
Hello friends,

please have a look at this model:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-CY-AT-amp-SF-Express-Boxcar-FP-4211-Green-/142961353520?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=9mTv0M29qUj01fYqS%252B2D1Me5tKU%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc

In order to convert it to an ordinary Box car, would it be sufficient just to remove the steam line, to add freight car coupler lift bars and a new paint job of course?
(Or did these cars in this form run in freight trains occasionally?)

Many thanks

Johannes

 



Re: Sante Fe Express Box car easy to convert to "normal" freight car?

vapeurchapelon
 

Many thanks John,
 
I am modelling the early post-war years up to maybe '52 or '53. According to your notes it would be better to cenvert the model. (After I have found one - I am not the winner of this auction...)
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Montag, 12. November 2018 um 18:23 Uhr
Von: "John Barry" <northbaylines@...>
An: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] Sante Fe Express Box car easy to convert to "normal" freight car?
Johannes,
 
The ARA class BX Fe-24 represented by the Coach Yard model occasionally found it's way into freights as I've seen one photo of an instance in Ohio.  That said, it depends on when you model.  After AMTRAK, they all went into freight service, prior to that, the passenger equipped Fe-24s would be assigned to freight service during lulls in the express business.  So during WWII and Korea or any year during the Christmas rush, green express boxes in freights not so much.
 
John
 
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA
 
707-490-9696 
 
PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

 


From: vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 11:46 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Sante Fe Express Box car easy to convert to "normal" freight car?
 
Hello friends,

please have a look at this model:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-CY-AT-amp-SF-Express-Boxcar-FP-4211-Green-/142961353520?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=9mTv0M29qUj01fYqS%252B2D1Me5tKU%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc

In order to convert it to an ordinary Box car, would it be sufficient just to remove the steam line, to add freight car coupler lift bars and a new paint job of course?
(Or did these cars in this form run in freight trains occasionally?)

Many thanks

Johannes

 


Re: Sante Fe Express Box car easy to convert to "normal" freight car?

John Barry
 

Johannes,

The ARA class BX Fe-24 represented by the Coach Yard model occasionally found it's way into freights as I've seen one photo of an instance in Ohio.  That said, it depends on when you model.  After AMTRAK, they all went into freight service, prior to that, the passenger equipped Fe-24s would be assigned to freight service during lulls in the express business.  So during WWII and Korea or any year during the Christmas rush, green express boxes in freights not so much.

John
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 11:46 AM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Sante Fe Express Box car easy to convert to "normal" freight car?

Hello friends,

please have a look at this model:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-CY-AT-amp-SF-Express-Boxcar-FP-4211-Green-/142961353520?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=9mTv0M29qUj01fYqS%252B2D1Me5tKU%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc

In order to convert it to an ordinary Box car, would it be sufficient just to remove the steam line, to add freight car coupler lift bars and a new paint job of course?
(Or did these cars in this form run in freight trains occasionally?)

Many thanks

Johannes



Sante Fe Express Box car easy to convert to "normal" freight car?

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello friends,

please have a look at this model:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-CY-AT-amp-SF-Express-Boxcar-FP-4211-Green-/142961353520?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=9mTv0M29qUj01fYqS%252B2D1Me5tKU%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc

In order to convert it to an ordinary Box car, would it be sufficient just to remove the steam line, to add freight car coupler lift bars and a new paint job of course?
(Or did these cars in this form run in freight trains occasionally?)

Many thanks

Johannes


Re: SAL AF-1/2 & B-7

John Degnan <scaler164@...>
 

I have seen the SMMW model on ebay numerous times in the past year or two.  If you can find one, you will be very pleased... they are the ONLY accurate model of a SAL B-7 ever made.



John D

Scaler164@...



On November 11, 2018 at 8:00 PM "Brian Carlson via Groups.Io" <prrk41361@...> wrote:

Smokey mountain model works did these in HO and S years back.

Not sure if Jim would consider them again in HO. No, I’m not selling mine.   

Brian J. Carlson 

On Nov 11, 2018, at 6:13 PM, Benjamin Hom < b.hom@...> wrote:

R Wilson asked:
"Would it be possible to just take an AAR '37 10'er, replace the roof and ends to get one of these? Is it such that the sides would have to be reduced in height? 
Looking to get a prototypical model of them and want to do it right."
Tim O'Connor replied:
"Aren't they basically PRR X31's with different ends and rivet patterns?
My instinct would be to start with the Bowser and figure out how to replace the ends, and use Archer rivets for the rest."

Not really.  The SAL cars are more akin to the 1932 ARA boxcar design, with different side rivet patterns (double rows, plus an odd 5-panel to the left of the door/4-panel right of the door pattern for the single door PRR cars) and tabbed side sills.  You'd have to redo the sides and underframe if you start from the Bowser model, which actually would be almost as much work as starting with the old MDC model, which has an incorrect roof profile and a caricature of the Pullman carbuilders' ends.  Still, it's a doable kitbash if you can come up with the ends; just not as straightforward of one as you'd think.  

Sadly, the best approach would be to pony up for a Sunshine kit for the automobile cars (assuming that the original poster is working in HO scale).  No real help for the single door cars except for the suggested kitbashes.


Ben Hom   


 


 


Re: Chalk Marks Question

Bob Chaparro
 

Isn't the car state of the art? (Good enough to practice on but destined to be sold off to a short line.)


Re: SAL AF-1/2 & B-7

Jim King
 

Brian is correct.  I still make the B-7 in S but sold the HO version with the entire resin product line to Wright Trak Models about 6.5 years ago.  It was not a whirlwind seller; modelers I thought would buy the kit told me the Bowser car was “90% close enough” … which it’s not.  Oh well, to each his own.

 

Jim King

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 


Re: Chalk Marks Question

Bruce Smith
 

Dean,

Neat idea. One caution. I would experiment with stroke thickness with actual decals before production. Prototypically thin lines may disappear when placed on cars.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Nov 11, 2018, at 11:34 PM, Dean ONeill <doneill64@...> wrote:

All,
Thanks for all the great input. I had no clue about Railroad Chalk. $16 for a whole box on Ebay!
I guess I should have mentioned the reason for my question. I am developing decals for the Rapido NP boxcar, and one of the things I want to include is chalk marks.
The decal printer I am using is Cartograf, and they can print very thin line widths or “strokes”, but I was asking about chalk type to help determine just how thin to make said chalk marks. 
Below is an example of a car with marks, and the drafts I have in Adobe Illustrator. I can easily adjust the width, and the opacity. I am settling into .002 and .004 inch strokes.
Any input is greatly appreciated, thanks.
 
Dean ONeill
NPRHA
 
<image002.jpg>
 
<image005.jpg>
<Chalk Marks Sample.png><Chalk Marks Decal Sample.png>


Re: SAL AF-1/2 & B-7

Brent Greer
 

Jim King (Smoky Mountain Model Works) sold his HO patterns and such for these cars to Wright-Trak some years ago, but they never did anything with them.

Brent
________________________________
Dr. J. Brent Greer


Re: Chalk Marks Question

Dean ONeill
 

All,

Thanks for all the great input. I had no clue about Railroad Chalk. $16 for a whole box on Ebay!

I guess I should have mentioned the reason for my question. I am developing decals for the Rapido NP boxcar, and one of the things I want to include is chalk marks.

The decal printer I am using is Cartograf, and they can print very thin line widths or “strokes”, but I was asking about chalk type to help determine just how thin to make said chalk marks.

Below is an example of a car with marks, and the drafts I have in Adobe Illustrator. I can easily adjust the width, and the opacity. I am settling into .002 and .004 inch strokes.

Any input is greatly appreciated, thanks.

 

Dean ONeill

NPRHA

 

 


Re: SAL AF-1/2 & B-7

Brian Carlson
 

Smokey mountain model works did these in HO and S years back.

Not sure if Jim would consider them again in HO. No, I’m not selling mine.   

Brian J. Carlson 

On Nov 11, 2018, at 6:13 PM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

R Wilson asked:
"Would it be possible to just take an AAR '37 10'er, replace the roof and ends to get one of these? Is it such that the sides would have to be reduced in height? 
Looking to get a prototypical model of them and want to do it right."

Tim O'Connor replied:
"Aren't they basically PRR X31's with different ends and rivet patterns?
My instinct would be to start with the Bowser and figure out how to replace the ends, and use Archer rivets for the rest."

Not really.  The SAL cars are more akin to the 1932 ARA boxcar design, with different side rivet patterns (double rows, plus an odd 5-panel to the left of the door/4-panel right of the door pattern for the single door PRR cars) and tabbed side sills.  You'd have to redo the sides and underframe if you start from the Bowser model, which actually would be almost as much work as starting with the old MDC model, which has an incorrect roof profile and a caricature of the Pullman carbuilders' ends.  Still, it's a doable kitbash if you can come up with the ends; just not as straightforward of one as you'd think.  

Sadly, the best approach would be to pony up for a Sunshine kit for the automobile cars (assuming that the original poster is working in HO scale).  No real help for the single door cars except for the suggested kitbashes.


Ben Hom   


Re: SAL AF-1/2 & B-7

Benjamin Hom
 

R Wilson asked:
"Would it be possible to just take an AAR '37 10'er, replace the roof and ends to get one of these? Is it such that the sides would have to be reduced in height? 
Looking to get a prototypical model of them and want to do it right."

Tim O'Connor replied:
"Aren't they basically PRR X31's with different ends and rivet patterns?
My instinct would be to start with the Bowser and figure out how to replace the ends, and use Archer rivets for the rest."

Not really.  The SAL cars are more akin to the 1932 ARA boxcar design, with different side rivet patterns (double rows, plus an odd 5-panel to the left of the door/4-panel right of the door pattern for the single door PRR cars) and tabbed side sills.  You'd have to redo the sides and underframe if you start from the Bowser model, which actually would be almost as much work as starting with the old MDC model, which has an incorrect roof profile and a caricature of the Pullman carbuilders' ends.  Still, it's a doable kitbash if you can come up with the ends; just not as straightforward of one as you'd think.  

Sadly, the best approach would be to pony up for a Sunshine kit for the automobile cars (assuming that the original poster is working in HO scale).  No real help for the single door cars except for the suggested kitbashes.


Ben Hom   


Re: Chalk Marks Question

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

OMG Bob! An Athearn Blue Box Lehigh Valley car complete with claws for the door??? Say it isn't so!

Cordially,, Don Valentine


Re: SAL AF-1/2 & B-7

Tim O'Connor
 


Aren't they basically PRR X31's with different ends and rivet patterns?
My instinct would be to start with the Bowser and figure out how to replace
the ends, and use Archer rivets for the rest.

Tim O'


would it be possible to just take an AAR '37 10'er, replace the roof and ends to get one of these? is it such that the sides would have to be reduced in height? looking to get a prototypical model of them and want to do it right.

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


SAL AF-1/2 & B-7

rwilson1056
 

would it be possible to just take an AAR '37 10'er, replace the roof and ends to get one of these? is it such that the sides would have to be reduced in height?
looking to get a prototypical model of them and want to do it right.

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