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Re: Gluing Strip Styrene

James E Kubanick
 

Bill,

A very useful tip!! Thank you for sharing.

Jim Kubanick,
Morgantown WV

On Thursday, November 15, 2018, 12:10:57 PM EST, Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@...> wrote:


Great advice, Bill.  Thanks again for sharing!  :0)

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: Oil companies for IM 8K tank

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks David. I guess I’m older and more forgetful than I thought. I have that. Thanks
I’ll use it 👌🏽

On Nov 13, 2018, at 4:38 PM, David via Groups.Io <jaydeet2001=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Ted Culotta put together a nice field guide to steam-era tank cars here:
http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/steam-era-freight-cars-reference-manual-volume-two/

As for the IM 8k ACT Type 27, most of those went to SHPX, with some to GATX (mostly ex-Canton Tank Car) and a scattering to a few other owners. Having said that, the tank itself can be mounted on frames from Tichy (1923 SSC-built Gulf Oil), Tangent (early-mid 1920s General American Tank Car), or SC&F (1920s Standard Tank Car).

David Thompson




Re: Gluing Strip Styrene

Michael Gross
 

Great advice, Bill.  Thanks again for sharing!  :0)

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


One last eBay listing

Clark Propst
 

Hoping to find a new home for this kit that was misplaced, was supposed to be on my last layout. Have no use for it now.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/113373881770?ul_noapp=true
Clark Propst


Re: CHALK MARKS QUESTION #2

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 07:13 AM, Bruce Smith wrote:
So, I’m not sure what you have shown us a picture of.
 
The switchman's method of picking lotto numbers. :-)

Dennis
 


Re: CHALK MARKS QUESTION #2

Bruce Smith
 

Frank,

These numbers may be weights, but there are some issues. Starting left top going down each column, we see values going from just over 400,000 to 1 million, and then suddenly back down and slowly back up, then suddenly down and up to 1.1 million.  I also note what seem to be a fair number of “typos” where it appears that a digit gets left off, such as in the 3rd column, 726,800 followed by 88,800, followed by 828,572… that middle number seems like it ought to be 788,800. But it happens so often that it is not clear if there is a system to it, or if it really is an error. 

Given the the Lt. Wt. is on the side of the car, none of these should be “tare wts”. Indeed, the “tare wt.” of the car should not change from 414,572 to 38,572!  Even if that latter measure is an error and it is near the next measure which is 322,922, there is no way the tare wt changes by that much!

In addition, 400,000, if it is lbs, is 200 tons! 1 million is 500 tons!  These are not load weight in lbs. If it weren’t for the impossible numbers, it might be that this car was being sequentially loaded at say a truck dump and these were the load weights of each truck until the car reached capacity and then, when the car hits roughly 1 million it gets emptied. But they aren’t… at least not in lbs and a single car. It is possible that these are load weights for a string of cars.  I would add that the car is unlikely to be weighed each time. More likely, if these were weights, these are weights for the truckloads being dumped as measure on the truck scale.

So, I’m not sure what you have shown us a picture of.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Nov 15, 2018, at 6:15 AM, Frank Grimm via Groups.Io <fddms@...> wrote:

  Here is a photo of a limestone shopper with tare wts and load wts. (Limestone, IL)

Frank Grimm
Sandwich,IL



Re: CHALK MARKS QUESTION #2

Frank Grimm <fddms@...>
 

  Here is a photo of a limestone shopper with tare wts and load wts. (Limestone, IL)

Frank Grimm
Sandwich,IL


Re: CHALK MARKS QUESTION #2

O Fenton Wells
 

Well done Michael, they look very real.
Fenton

On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 3:28 PM Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@...> wrote:
I agree with many of the other answers on this thread that many local yard and switching crews had "codes" all their own for chalk marks, many of which are now consigned to the dust-bin of history.

As I own a Free-mo module whose main feature is the small, mythical town of Iota, Kansas, I simply "invented" a chalk mark used by off-line crews blocking trains for that destination.  The yellow arrow in the attached photo illustrates what I have done:   IOTA is indicated by a capital O with a capital I slashing through it.  Fictional place, fictional chalk mark.  :0)

Best,

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA



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Re: Gluing Strip Styrene

Bill Keene
 

Bill,

Please accept a big THANK YOU for sharing your fabrication technique. I see this as a way to fabricate usable "Z" shapes. I have been spending gray cell energy on this necessary challenge as it seems that my next several scratch building projects require "Z" members. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene 
Irvine, CA


On Nov 14, 2018, at 3:58 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Here is a tip I have shared other places so I thought I would do it here to cover all bases. I often us Evergreen Dimensional styrene strips to make parts—.010 x .020; .010 x .030; .020 x .020 and the like—and because it is so small and wobbly, it can difficult to handle and keep straight. To overcome this I will use Tester's Liquid Cement to tack one piece of styrene to a flat piece of steel and the assemble other pieces of styrene to this first piece. Here is an example to make lower door guides: First I tacked down lengths of .020 x .020 and then attached to these strips lengths of .010 x .040. After curing overnight I simply run a Single Edge Razor Blade under these assemblies and they come off clean and straight. Often times parts like these can be found in resin kits and rather than trying to clean the flash from these I will simply make new parts from styrene strip as the new parts are often cleaner.

Bill Welch
<styrene Lower door guides in process I.JPG>
<styrene Lower door guides in process II.JPG>


Re: Oil companies for IM 8K tank

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Michael Aufderheide wrote:
I see that about 1/4 of the cars carried "Distillate".  Is this kerosene or?
More information about "distillate": 
http://utahrails.net/up/distillate.php

Dennis Storzek


Re: Gluing Strip Styrene

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bill,
 
Thanks great tip, I can't wait to try this out.
 
I greatly appreciate the many different ways you go to trouble to pass your skills on to those of us who are trying to work their way up another notch or two on the scale of model making proficiency!
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Welch
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 6:58 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Gluing Strip Styrene

Here is a tip I have shared other places so I thought I would do it here to cover all bases. I often us Evergreen Dimensional styrene strips to make parts—.010 x .020; .010 x .030; .020 x .020 and the like—and because it is so small and wobbly, it can difficult to handle and keep straight. To overcome this I will use Tester's Liquid Cement to tack one piece of styrene to a flat piece of steel and the assemble other pieces of styrene to this first piece. Here is an example to make lower door guides: First I tacked down lengths of .020 x .020 and then attached to these strips lengths of .010 x .040. After curing overnight I simply run a Single Edge Razor Blade under these assemblies and they come off clean and straight. Often times parts like these can be found in resin kits and rather than trying to clean the flash from these I will simply make new parts from styrene strip as the new parts are often cleaner.

Bill Welch


Re: Oil companies for IM 8K tank

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Probably UTLX, URTX would be a reefer.  I don't immediately see any current NATX decals, but Ted C (Speedwitch) did do a conversion kit based on the IM tank and Tichy underframe.  He may still have a spare set of decals, pretty simple scheme.  See
 
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 6:16 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Oil companies for IM 8K tank

Looks like I'd be safe lettering it for URTX. I would still like to try the NATX car...Are there decals for that one?
Thanks to all!
Clark Propst


Re: CHALK MARKS QUESTION #2

Andy Cich
 

I have a Pennsylvania Railroad document titled Chicago Division Symbol System of Car Placement. This book has instructions, interchange schedules, and a list of all the industry tracks in the PRR Chicago Division. Among the text are instructions for marking the cars. I have the 1/1/52 revision and the 3/1/37 revision of this book. The following text appears int he '52 revision but not the '37 revision.



At dispatchment yards cars are given originating terminal inspection. Inspectors mark such cars on the Pennsylvania Railroad in yellow crayon. Foreign lines use crayon of a different color.

Each railroad operating within the Chicago Interchange District have assigned pool numbers; that of the Pennsylvania Railroad being 36.

After completion of inspection the car is marked with car inspectors pool mark. These pool marks will be located on both sides of the cars near the corner, as follows:

CH-25
36-2
7-20 I

"CH" is a symbol for Chicago, "25" is the car inspectors personal number. On the next line the number of the receiving road will be at the upper left, and that of the delivering road at the upper right. Thus "36-2" indicates car was received by the Pennsylvania from the Belt Ry. The number at the lower left indicates the month and the number at the lower right, the date of interchange. Thus "7-20" indicates a car was received July 20th. The letter "I" being a yard symbol, in this instance-Colehour.

YARD SYMBOLS
OD-55th Street.
I -Colehour.
M -59th Street.

ASSIGNED INTERCHANGE NUMBERS

1. B&OCT
2. Belt Ry.
3. C&CR
4. C&IW
5. C&WI
...
37. Wabash
38. C&NW

-----------------------------------------
Now, I am on the hunt for photos of cars with marks in this format.

Andy Cich


Re: Oil companies for IM 8K tank

Clark Propst
 

Looks like I'd be safe lettering it for URTX. I would still like to try the NATX car...Are there decals for that one?
Thanks to all!
Clark Propst


Gluing Strip Styrene

Bill Welch
 

Here is a tip I have shared other places so I thought I would do it here to cover all bases. I often us Evergreen Dimensional styrene strips to make parts—.010 x .020; .010 x .030; .020 x .020 and the like—and because it is so small and wobbly, it can difficult to handle and keep straight. To overcome this I will use Tester's Liquid Cement to tack one piece of styrene to a flat piece of steel and the assemble other pieces of styrene to this first piece. Here is an example to make lower door guides: First I tacked down lengths of .020 x .020 and then attached to these strips lengths of .010 x .040. After curing overnight I simply run a Single Edge Razor Blade under these assemblies and they come off clean and straight. Often times parts like these can be found in resin kits and rather than trying to clean the flash from these I will simply make new parts from styrene strip as the new parts are often cleaner.

Bill Welch


Re: CHALK MARKS QUESTION #2

James E Kubanick
 

Michael,

Those chalk marks are very convincing. I am impressed by the readability of the smallest of the lettering/marks.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 3:28:14 PM EST, Michael Gross <ActorMichaelGross@...> wrote:


I agree with many of the other answers on this thread that many local yard and switching crews had "codes" all their own for chalk marks, many of which are now consigned to the dust-bin of history.

As I own a Free-mo module whose main feature is the small, mythical town of Iota, Kansas, I simply "invented" a chalk mark used by off-line crews blocking trains for that destination.  The yellow arrow in the attached photo illustrates what I have done:   IOTA is indicated by a capital O with a capital I slashing through it.  Fictional place, fictional chalk mark.  :0)

Best,

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: CHALK MARKS QUESTION #2

Michael Gross
 

I agree with many of the other answers on this thread that many local yard and switching crews had "codes" all their own for chalk marks, many of which are now consigned to the dust-bin of history.

As I own a Free-mo module whose main feature is the small, mythical town of Iota, Kansas, I simply "invented" a chalk mark used by off-line crews blocking trains for that destination.  The yellow arrow in the attached photo illustrates what I have done:   IOTA is indicated by a capital O with a capital I slashing through it.  Fictional place, fictional chalk mark.  :0)

Best,

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Oil companies for IM 8K tank

David
 

Distillate's sole virtue was it cost much less than gasoline, at it was essentially a waste byproduct of refining. Engines that ran it usually had to be started and shut down on gasoline. It fell out of favor as diesel engines became more popular for industrial use, and the petrochemical industry developed more profitable uses for it.

David Thompson


Re: Oil companies for IM 8K tank

Douglas Harding
 

Mike, not quite. Distillate generally refer to petroleum products in the boiling range beginning at above 160 degC and ending at below 420 deg C -- i.e., between gasoline and heavy fuel oil. These include gas oil, diesel and jet fuel (kerosene).

 

In the time period of the lists it was most commonly used in farm tractors and engines. It fell out of favor as gasoline engines came into being. And later the power of diesel engines took over most agriculture applications in the mid to late 60s.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Aufderheide
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 12:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Oil companies for IM 8K tank

 

Doug,

I see that about 1/4 of the cars carried "Distillate".  Is this kerosene or?

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide


Re: Oil companies for IM 8K tank

 

Doug,

I see that about 1/4 of the cars carried "Distillate".  Is this kerosene or?

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide