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Re: NC&StL Flat - With Load

Bruce Smith
 

​Colin,


Very nice car. The number is correct for the second series of NC&StL cars which had KC brakes (the first series had KD). Look as I could, I did not find any information on the date of conversion of these cars to AB brakes.


The load and blocking look great. I've seen Insley equipment in either yellow, or their very distinctive orange.


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Kemal Mumcu via Groups.Io <kemal_mumcu@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2018 9:36 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] NC&StL Flat - With Load
 
Tichy flat car pretty much built stock with brass bits added instead of kit supplied styrene stuff. I realized as I was decaling the car and that it should probably have AB brakes. Does anyone know when these cars got AB brakes?

Painted (rattle can) with Montana "Warrior Brown".

Load represents used equipment move. Woodland Scenics white metal kit.

Colin Meikle


Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia No. 20

al_brown03
 

Sure is. There are lots of photos of various loads, as well as the AAR diagrams. Nice thing about the photos is they show tie-downs, which the diagrams don't.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: NC&StL Flat - With Load

James E Kubanick
 

I really like what you've done with both kits. The tie-downs look right, too.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV

On Saturday, November 17, 2018, 1:34:33 PM EST, gtws00 via Groups.Io <gtws00@...> wrote:


Nicely done! Nice to see some flats with loads.
Thanks for Sharing
George Toman


Standard Railroad Bean Bag

Bob Chaparro
 

After seeing this burlap bag I began to wonder what role, if any, the railroads had in specifying standards for bags used to ship various products:

https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images2/1/0513/18/standard-railroad-bean-bag-burlap_1_69ce94b6a5c9b2e4ce60f039304d909d.jpg

Is there anything to this?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: ACF 1958 cuft covered hopper UP paint schemes question

Ed Hawkins
 


On Nov 17, 2018, at 12:40 PM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:

Thanks again, Tim.
 
>> Eventually UP adopted gray paint for most covered hoppers <<
 
Do you know when, at least the year?
 
Johannes

Johannes,
I don’t have an exact answer but can provide some guidance that may be useful. Information & photos about UP’s 1958 cu. ft. covered hopper cars were published in RP CYC Volumes 28 and 30. 

UP 92000-92099, 100 cars built 11-40, CH-70-1, GATC, painted UP red oxide. Re# 1-100 in 1948 and re# again 10001-10100 in 1959-1963.

UP 101-500, 400 cars built ca. 3-49, CH-70-2, GATC, painted gray. Re# 10101-10499 in 1959-1963.

UP 500-999, 500 cars built ca. 2-52, CH-70-3, UP-Omaha, painted gray. Re# 10500-10999 in 1959-1963.

I have not found in-service photos of the CH-70-1 to help determine when they may have been repainted gray. What is known is that new UP cars of this type built in 1949 & 1952 were gray, so it’s likely that repainted CH-70-1 cars in 1949 & later were gray.

Incidentally, none of the UP's 1958 cu. ft. covered hopper cars were an exact match for the ACF-design InterMoutain HO model. The GATC cars had welded roofs vs. the ACF model with riveted roof seams, and the locking bars were different. The 1952 UP cars had an unusual Murphy roof variation as well as a substantially-different hatch cover arrangement & cover locks. 

Note: From ORER data it’s apparent that the original  UP 500 was one of 5 CH-70-2 cars built in 1949 removed from service prior to the 1952 cars being built. Car number UP 500 was repeated as part of the 1952 order, and thus the railroad used 500-999 for the 500 CH-70-3 cars built rather than 501-1000. 

Hope this helps. 

Regards,
Ed Hawkins








Railway Prototype Cyclopedia No. 20

Bob Chaparro
 

This publication contains AAR rules for various commodities and loading cars.

Can anyone vouch for the content as a useful resource for modeling prototype loads?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: The effect of couplers on car spacing

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 10:44 AM, Frank Grimm wrote:
I SUGGEST THE MOPAC CAR, SECOND FROM LEFT, IS ON THE GROUND...
Hmmm... I don't think so. I can see the full circumference of all the wheels on the MoP car.

Dennis


Re: Tank cars for Standard Oil (Chevron) in Washington State - ca. 1953

John Barry
 

Brian,

Unless there's a RTR UTLX X-3 in N, you are in nearly the same boat as the HO crowd for Standard Oil.  After the break up of Standard in the early 1900's, the "baby" Standards used the spun off Union Tank Line cars to deliver their product.  I can commend Steve Hiles UTLX Tank Cars, published by Speedwitch as the reference on the prototype.  I have no choice but to model at least the interchange to the Richmond Standard refinery as it adjoined Santa Fe's Richmond yard which is the centerpiece of my layout.  I'm making do with an assemblage of available UTLX tanks from IM, Walthers and Tangent even though they were a fraction of the fleet composed largely of X and X-3 cars.  


 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: Brian Termunde via Groups.Io <GCRDS@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2018 2:24 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Tank cars for Standard Oil (Chevron) in Washington State - ca. 1953

With the interesting posts on the IM 8,000 Gal Tank car, I thought that I would try my luck with Standard (Chevron) oil tank cars.

I was aware of a Texaco station in Raymond, Wash. (still standing, but no longer a service station), but recently, I became aware that nearby, there was Standard (Chevron) station as well. While I haven't had much of a chance to really dig into what tank cars Standard (Chevron) used, what little time I have had to search, I have found a few interesting sites, and a lot of toy train foobies, but nothing really useful.

Mostly, while I am aware that this group is mostly HO-centric, I do model in N Scale, and unfortunately, we have even less tank cars available to us then you HOer's have. But does anyone have any recommendations, even at least as for reporting marks? GATX, UTLX, ???

TIA!

Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, UT



Re: Tank cars for Standard Oil (Chevron) in Washington State - ca. 1953

Richard Townsend
 

As one of the off-shoots of the Standard Oil break-up, Chevron (formerly Standard Oil of California) would use a lot of UTLX tank cars.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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From: Brian Termunde via Groups.Io <GCRDS@...>
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Tank cars for Standard Oil (Chevron) in Washington State - ca. 1953

With the interesting posts on the IM 8,000 Gal Tank car, I thought that I would try my luck with Standard (Chevron) oil tank cars.

I was aware of a Texaco station in Raymond, Wash. (still standing, but no longer a service station), but recently, I became aware that nearby, there was Standard (Chevron) station as well. While I haven't had much of a chance to really dig into what tank cars Standard (Chevron) used, what little time I have had to search, I have found a few interesting sites, and a lot of toy train foobies, but nothing really useful.

Mostly, while I am aware that this group is mostly HO-centric, I do model in N Scale, and unfortunately, we have even less tank cars available to us then you HOer's have. But does anyone have any recommendations, even at least as for reporting marks? GATX, UTLX, ???

TIA!

Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, UT


Tank cars for Standard Oil (Chevron) in Washington State - ca. 1953

Brian Termunde
 

With the interesting posts on the IM 8,000 Gal Tank car, I thought that I would try my luck with Standard (Chevron) oil tank cars.

I was aware of a Texaco station in Raymond, Wash. (still standing, but no longer a service station), but recently, I became aware that nearby, there was Standard (Chevron) station as well. While I haven't had much of a chance to really dig into what tank cars Standard (Chevron) used, what little time I have had to search, I have found a few interesting sites, and a lot of toy train foobies, but nothing really useful.

Mostly, while I am aware that this group is mostly HO-centric, I do model in N Scale, and unfortunately, we have even less tank cars available to us then you HOer's have. But does anyone have any recommendations, even at least as for reporting marks? GATX, UTLX, ???

TIA!

Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, UT


Re: The effect of couplers on car spacing

Frank Grimm <fddms@...>
 

GROUP
  I SUGGEST THE MOPAC CAR, SECOND FROM LEFT, IS ON THE GROUND AND THAT IS WHY THE SPACING LOOKS CLOSER UNDER THE MP AND NUMBER.
FRANK GRIMM
SANDWICH, IL


Re: ACF 1958 cuft covered hopper UP paint schemes question

vapeurchapelon
 

Thanks again, Tim.
 
>> Eventually UP adopted gray paint for most covered hoppers <<
 
Do you know when, at least the year?
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 17. November 2018 um 01:07 Uhr
Von: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] ACF 1958 cuft covered hopper UP paint schemes question

oxide red color - CH-70-1

gray color - CH-70-2

Eventually UP adopted gray paint for most covered hoppers (airslides got aluminum paint)

Tim O'Connor

 
Intermountain did both closed side and open side versions of the ACF 1958 cuft covered hopper in UP paint schemes - but strictly divided: -the open side car is box car red and the closed side car is grey:

http://static.pwrs.ca/product_images/213212_1.jpg

https://www.pwrs.ca/announcement_images/products/Intermountian/HO%20Scale/Freight-Passenger/48680.jpg

Does that mean that there simply was neither any grey open side car nor any bcr closed side car?

Many thanks

Johannes

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: PRR X40 (an sub classes) usage question

vapeurchapelon
 

Many thanks for clarification Tim,
 
I have expected something like this. These cars are very attractive in my eyes, but make no sense owning them if one doesn't concentrate on PRR.
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 17. November 2018 um 01:16 Uhr
Von: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X40 (an sub classes) usage question
Johannes

The 1955 ORER says that the 100 X40b box cars are equipped with "special devices" for LCL.

It's doubtful that these LCL cars went offline, but with the sharp decline of LCL traffic,
I think by 1960, and later, the cars would have started roaming all over the place. But they
were still very rare - less than 1 in 5,000 box cars nationally!

Tim O'Connor

 
according to this site:
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=X40
the X40 was very rare with just a little more than 100 cars built. Aside of this, did it go far away from home rails even when in interchange service? Could you met one near the west coast?
Many thanks and greetings
Johannes

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NC&StL Flat - With Load

gtws00
 

Nicely done! Nice to see some flats with loads.
Thanks for Sharing
George Toman


Re: SAL AF-1/2 & B-7

Jim King
 

Thanks, Randy.  I only made the B-7, then sold the HO product line to Wright Trak Models the following year.

 

Jim King

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 


Re: NC&StL Flat - With Load

Paul Doggett
 

Good looking car and load.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 17 Nov 2018, at 15:44, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Well done, Lovely finish and load.  Thanks for sharing
Fenton

On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 10:36 AM Kemal Mumcu via Groups.Io <kemal_mumcu=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:
Tichy flat car pretty much built stock with brass bits added instead of kit supplied styrene stuff. I realized as I was decaling the car and that it should probably have AB brakes. Does anyone know when these cars got AB brakes?

Painted (rattle can) with Montana "Warrior Brown".

Load represents used equipment move. Woodland Scenics white metal kit.

Colin Meikle



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: NC&StL Flat - With Load

O Fenton Wells
 

Well done, Lovely finish and load.  Thanks for sharing
Fenton

On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 10:36 AM Kemal Mumcu via Groups.Io <kemal_mumcu=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:
Tichy flat car pretty much built stock with brass bits added instead of kit supplied styrene stuff. I realized as I was decaling the car and that it should probably have AB brakes. Does anyone know when these cars got AB brakes?

Painted (rattle can) with Montana "Warrior Brown".

Load represents used equipment move. Woodland Scenics white metal kit.

Colin Meikle



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


NC&StL Flat - With Load

Kemal Mumcu
 

Tichy flat car pretty much built stock with brass bits added instead of kit supplied styrene stuff. I realized as I was decaling the car and that it should probably have AB brakes. Does anyone know when these cars got AB brakes?

Painted (rattle can) with Montana "Warrior Brown".

Load represents used equipment move. Woodland Scenics white metal kit.

Colin Meikle


Re: SAL AF-1/2 & B-7

Craig Zeni
 

On Nov 16, 2018, at 7:07 PM, main@RealSTMFC.groups.io wrote:

3a. Re: SAL AF-1/2 & B-7
From: Randy Hammill <nhrr@...>
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 11:55:46 EST

I bought two of the B-7s, one for me and one for a friend. Fantastic castings, although I haven't finished it yet.

I don't recall you releasing the AF-1/2, I would love one of those if anybody has one of those!
I built the B7; have another one stashed away I think. They were a nice build although I wasn't crazy about the way the doors were handled. I'll figure out a better way on the next one. I also used Ted's SAL decals; next build I'll also use Pierre's etched ladders.

Craig Zeni
Cary NC


Reefer ID

David
 

That doesn't look anything like a FGE consortium car. The use of grab irons instead of ladders is distinctive, and I'm inclined to think it's Northern Refrigerator Car in 1940s MDT-style lettering.

David Thompson

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