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Re: NC&StL Flat - With Load
Colin,
Very nice car. The number is correct for the second series of NC&StL cars which had KC brakes (the first series had KD). Look as I could, I did not find any information on the date of conversion of these cars to AB brakes.
The load and blocking look great. I've seen Insley equipment in either yellow, or their very distinctive orange.
Regards, Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Kemal Mumcu via Groups.Io <kemal_mumcu@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2018 9:36 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] NC&StL Flat - With Load Tichy flat car pretty much built stock with brass bits added instead of kit supplied styrene stuff. I realized as I was decaling the car and that it should probably have AB brakes. Does anyone know when these cars got AB brakes?
Painted (rattle can) with Montana "Warrior Brown". Load represents used equipment move. Woodland Scenics white metal kit. Colin Meikle
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Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia No. 20
al_brown03
Sure is. There are lots of photos of various loads, as well as the AAR diagrams. Nice thing about the photos is they show tie-downs, which the diagrams don't.
Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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Re: NC&StL Flat - With Load
I really like what you've done with both kits. The tie-downs look right, too. Jim Kubanick Morgantown WV
On Saturday, November 17, 2018, 1:34:33 PM EST, gtws00 via Groups.Io <gtws00@...> wrote:
Nicely done! Nice to see some flats with loads. Thanks for Sharing George Toman
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Standard Railroad Bean Bag
After seeing this burlap bag I began to wonder what role, if any, the railroads had in specifying standards for bags used to ship various products: Is there anything to this? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: ACF 1958 cuft covered hopper UP paint schemes question
Ed Hawkins
On Nov 17, 2018, at 12:40 PM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:
Johannes, I don’t have an exact answer but can provide some guidance that may be useful. Information & photos about UP’s 1958 cu. ft. covered hopper cars were published in RP CYC Volumes 28 and 30. UP 92000-92099, 100 cars built 11-40, CH-70-1, GATC, painted UP red oxide. Re# 1-100 in 1948 and re# again 10001-10100 in 1959-1963. UP 101-500, 400 cars built ca. 3-49, CH-70-2, GATC, painted gray. Re# 10101-10499 in 1959-1963. UP 500-999, 500 cars built ca. 2-52, CH-70-3, UP-Omaha, painted gray. Re# 10500-10999 in 1959-1963. I have not found in-service photos of the CH-70-1 to help determine when they may have been repainted gray. What is known is that new UP cars of this type built in 1949 & 1952 were gray, so it’s likely that repainted CH-70-1 cars in 1949 & later were gray. Incidentally, none of the UP's 1958 cu. ft. covered hopper cars were an exact match for the ACF-design InterMoutain HO model. The GATC cars had welded roofs vs. the ACF model with riveted roof seams, and the locking bars were different. The 1952 UP cars had an unusual Murphy roof variation as well as a substantially-different hatch cover arrangement & cover locks. Note: From ORER data it’s apparent that the original UP 500 was one of 5 CH-70-2 cars built in 1949 removed from service prior to the 1952 cars being built. Car number UP 500 was repeated as part of the 1952 order, and thus the railroad used 500-999 for the 500 CH-70-3 cars built rather than 501-1000. Hope this helps. Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Railway Prototype Cyclopedia No. 20
This publication contains AAR rules for various commodities and loading cars. Can anyone vouch for the content as a useful resource for modeling prototype loads? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: The effect of couplers on car spacing
Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 10:44 AM, Frank Grimm wrote:
I SUGGEST THE MOPAC CAR, SECOND FROM LEFT, IS ON THE GROUND...Hmmm... I don't think so. I can see the full circumference of all the wheels on the MoP car. Dennis
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Re: Tank cars for Standard Oil (Chevron) in Washington State - ca. 1953
John Barry
Brian, Unless there's a RTR UTLX X-3 in N, you are in nearly the same boat as the HO crowd for Standard Oil. After the break up of Standard in the early 1900's, the "baby" Standards used the spun off Union Tank Line cars to deliver their product. I can commend Steve Hiles UTLX Tank Cars, published by Speedwitch as the reference on the prototype. I have no choice but to model at least the interchange to the Richmond Standard refinery as it adjoined Santa Fe's Richmond yard which is the centerpiece of my layout. I'm making do with an assemblage of available UTLX tanks from IM, Walthers and Tangent even though they were a fraction of the fleet composed largely of X and X-3 cars. John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
From: Brian Termunde via Groups.Io <GCRDS@...> To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2018 2:24 PM Subject: [RealSTMFC] Tank cars for Standard Oil (Chevron) in Washington State - ca. 1953 With the interesting posts on the IM 8,000 Gal Tank car, I thought that I would try my luck with Standard (Chevron) oil tank cars. I was aware of a Texaco station in Raymond, Wash. (still standing, but no longer a service station), but recently, I became aware that nearby, there was Standard (Chevron) station as well. While I haven't had much of a chance to really dig into what tank cars Standard (Chevron) used, what little time I have had to search, I have found a few interesting sites, and a lot of toy train foobies, but nothing really useful. Mostly, while I am aware that this group is mostly HO-centric, I do model in N Scale, and unfortunately, we have even less tank cars available to us then you HOer's have. But does anyone have any recommendations, even at least as for reporting marks? GATX, UTLX, ??? TIA! Brian R. Termunde Midvale, UT
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Re: Tank cars for Standard Oil (Chevron) in Washington State - ca. 1953
Richard Townsend
As one of the off-shoots of the Standard Oil break-up, Chevron (formerly Standard Oil of California) would use a lot of UTLX tank cars.
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Lincoln City, OR
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From: Brian Termunde via Groups.Io <GCRDS@...> To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Sent: Sat, Nov 17, 2018 11:24 am Subject: [RealSTMFC] Tank cars for Standard Oil (Chevron) in Washington State - ca. 1953 With the interesting posts on the IM 8,000 Gal Tank car, I thought that I would try my luck with Standard (Chevron) oil tank cars.
I was aware of a Texaco station in Raymond, Wash. (still standing, but no longer a service station), but recently, I became aware that nearby, there was Standard (Chevron) station as well. While I haven't had much of a chance to really dig into what tank cars Standard (Chevron) used, what little time I have had to search, I have found a few interesting sites, and a lot of toy train foobies, but nothing really useful. Mostly, while I am aware that this group is mostly HO-centric, I do model in N Scale, and unfortunately, we have even less tank cars available to us then you HOer's have. But does anyone have any recommendations, even at least as for reporting marks? GATX, UTLX, ??? TIA! Brian R. Termunde Midvale, UT
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Tank cars for Standard Oil (Chevron) in Washington State - ca. 1953
Brian Termunde
With the interesting posts on the IM 8,000 Gal Tank car, I thought that I would try my luck with Standard (Chevron) oil tank cars.
I was aware of a Texaco station in Raymond, Wash. (still standing, but no longer a service station), but recently, I became aware that nearby, there was Standard (Chevron) station as well. While I haven't had much of a chance to really dig into what tank cars Standard (Chevron) used, what little time I have had to search, I have found a few interesting sites, and a lot of toy train foobies, but nothing really useful. Mostly, while I am aware that this group is mostly HO-centric, I do model in N Scale, and unfortunately, we have even less tank cars available to us then you HOer's have. But does anyone have any recommendations, even at least as for reporting marks? GATX, UTLX, ??? TIA! Brian R. Termunde Midvale, UT
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Re: The effect of couplers on car spacing
Frank Grimm <fddms@...>
GROUP I SUGGEST THE MOPAC CAR, SECOND FROM LEFT, IS ON THE GROUND AND THAT IS WHY THE SPACING LOOKS CLOSER UNDER THE MP AND NUMBER. FRANK GRIMM SANDWICH, IL
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Re: ACF 1958 cuft covered hopper UP paint schemes question
vapeurchapelon
Thanks again, Tim.
>> Eventually UP adopted gray paint for most covered hoppers <<
Do you know when, at least the year?
Johannes
Gesendet: Samstag, 17. November 2018 um 01:07 Uhr
Von: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...> An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] ACF 1958 cuft covered hopper UP paint schemes question oxide red color - CH-70-1 gray color - CH-70-2 Eventually UP adopted gray paint for most covered hoppers (airslides got aluminum paint) Tim O'Connor Intermountain did both closed side and open side versions of the ACF 1958 cuft covered hopper in UP paint schemes - but strictly divided: -the open side car is box car red and the closed side car is grey: -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: PRR X40 (an sub classes) usage question
vapeurchapelon
Many thanks for clarification Tim,
I have expected something like this. These cars are very attractive in my eyes, but make no sense owning them if one doesn't concentrate on PRR.
Johannes
Gesendet: Samstag, 17. November 2018 um 01:16 Uhr
Von: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...> An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR X40 (an sub classes) usage question Johannes
The 1955 ORER says that the 100 X40b box cars are equipped with "special devices" for LCL. It's doubtful that these LCL cars went offline, but with the sharp decline of LCL traffic, I think by 1960, and later, the cars would have started roaming all over the place. But they were still very rare - less than 1 in 5,000 box cars nationally! Tim O'Connor according to this site: -- Tim O'Connor Sterling, Massachusetts
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Re: NC&StL Flat - With Load
gtws00
Nicely done! Nice to see some flats with loads.
Thanks for Sharing George Toman
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Re: SAL AF-1/2 & B-7
Jim King
Thanks, Randy. I only made the B-7, then sold the HO product line to Wright Trak Models the following year.
Jim King www.smokymountainmodelworks.com
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Re: NC&StL Flat - With Load
Paul Doggett
Good looking car and load.
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On 17 Nov 2018, at 15:44, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
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Re: NC&StL Flat - With Load
Well done, Lovely finish and load. Thanks for sharing Fenton
On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 10:36 AM Kemal Mumcu via Groups.Io <kemal_mumcu=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote: Tichy flat car pretty much built stock with brass bits added instead of kit supplied styrene stuff. I realized as I was decaling the car and that it should probably have AB brakes. Does anyone know when these cars got AB brakes? --
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NC&StL Flat - With Load
Kemal Mumcu
Tichy flat car pretty much built stock with brass bits added instead of kit supplied styrene stuff. I realized as I was decaling the car and that it should probably have AB brakes. Does anyone know when these cars got AB brakes?
Painted (rattle can) with Montana "Warrior Brown". Load represents used equipment move. Woodland Scenics white metal kit. Colin Meikle
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Re: SAL AF-1/2 & B-7
On Nov 16, 2018, at 7:07 PM, main@RealSTMFC.groups.io wrote:
3a. Re: SAL AF-1/2 & B-7I built the B7; have another one stashed away I think. They were a nice build although I wasn't crazy about the way the doors were handled. I'll figure out a better way on the next one. I also used Ted's SAL decals; next build I'll also use Pierre's etched ladders. Craig Zeni Cary NC
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Reefer ID
David
That doesn't look anything like a FGE consortium car. The use of grab irons instead of ladders is distinctive, and I'm inclined to think it's Northern Refrigerator Car in 1940s MDT-style lettering.
David Thompson
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