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Re: Gulf tank cars

Dave Parker
 

Claus:

That is a great image -- nice catch!

Those are both 12.5 kgal cars, something that was not that common in 1920s.  If the domes look a bit large, they are -- 535 gallons!

Wonderful Gulf paint scheme, a variant on the same layout seen on black cars at about the same time.

Gulf had ~2800 cars with GRCX reporting marks in 1925, but this number had diminished to ~1600 by the mid-1930s.  I have seen some other evidence of GATX cars under lease to Gulf, so now I am wondering if there was sale and lease-back arrangement similar to what Texaco did.

Thanks for posting.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: Gulf tank cars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
With respect to GULF tank cars and dealerships, perhaps this image will be of interest...
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: Great Northern 1937 Boxcar - Trucks?

Bill Welch
 

Personally I think the wheel base of the Accurail truck is too long for most boxcars, same for their Andrews truck.

Bill Welch


Re: Great Northern 1937 Boxcar - Trucks?

Ted Culotta
 

I wouldn’t use those today... much has changed in the world of trucks since then. Sigh... we have even seen the much needed Barber S-1 produced by Rapido come and go (without this person buying nearly enough.) Brian, you retired one truck too soon!

Bob cited the far better Tahoe option.


Re: Great Northern 1937 Boxcar - Trucks?

Paul Bizier
 

Thanks to Ben and Robert for the help.  I think I've got a pair of the Tahoe trucks in parts box, if not I know where to get them.

Paul Bizier
Modeling the SAL in 1950


Re: Great Northern 1937 Boxcar - Trucks?

Robert Heninger
 

The Accurail truck isn't a bad choice, as it represents the ARA cast steel trucks these cars were equipped with. However, I believe the Tahoe "Buckeye" ARA trucks have better detail, including brake beams, and are nearly identical to the trucks the GN used on the prototype cars.

Regards,
Robert D. Heninger
Minot, ND


Re: Great Northern 1937 Boxcar - Trucks?

Benjamin Hom
 

Paul Bizier asked:
"Am working on my backlog of kits - just finishing a Seaboard V-10 vent box, which assuming I can get it painted, will be coming to Cocoa.  Next up is an old Sunshine kit for the GN's 1937 tongue and groove wood boxcars... Simple question - can someone point me to the right HO scale trucks for this car?"

Ted Culotta used Accurail "Bettendorf:" trucks on the models featured in his Essential Freight Cars installment on the GN cars in the May 2003 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman.


Ben Hom


Great Northern 1937 Boxcar - Trucks?

Paul Bizier
 

Am working on my backlog of kits - just finishing a Seaboard V-10 vent box, which assuming I can get it painted, will be coming to Cocoa.  Next up is an old Sunshine kit for the GN's 1937 tongue and groove wood boxcars... Simple question - can someone point me to the right HO scale trucks for this car?

Thanks in advance,
Paul Bizier


Re: Stillwell Oyster Car

Jack Mullen
 

 "...a nice article about it which gives the date of a wreck in which one of the cars was destroyed…"
Actually, the wrecks mentioned were decades before the introduction of the Stillwell car, so the oyster cars that were destroyed were some of the unsuitable predecessors mentioned. They may even have simply been express cars carrying oysters in barrels. 

Jack Mullen


Re: Athearn Blue Box Insulated Tank Car

Tim O'Connor
 


Good references. Thanks Ben.


Brent Greer asked:
"Please forgive the obvious ignorance (I have all the books, but not yet the time to properly digest them), but what of the Athearn blue box insulated tank car kit? Is it correct for anything as is?"

No.  Biggest detractors are the grossly oversized valve bonnet and platform.


"What, if any, good bashes could be made from that tank?"

Tony Thompson has a couple at his blog:
http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2015/12/modeling-insulated-tank-car.html
http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2015/12/modeling-insulated-tank-car-part-2.html
http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2010/12/upgrading-old-models-2.html
http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2015/05/another-approach-to-tank-car-platforms.html


Ben Hom

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Stillwell Oyster Car

Charlie Vlk
 

 

All-

Sometimes I wonder……

……you are on your computer, posting a question……

….the first thing that comes up if you do a Google search for “Stillwell Oyster Car” is a nice article about it which gives the date of a wreck in which one of the cars was destroyed…..

http://www.pullman-museum.org/theCompany/stillwell.html

 

Charlie Vlk


Re: Multiple Ice Hatches?

Andy Brusgard <ajb1102@...>
 

So much and yet so little.
Roof does not appeared to be as pitched as other cars.
A plank between hatches note shadow line.
Car #1810 - Partial?
On the closer car, underside detail on hatch.

 Andy Brusgard
NMRA # 14375
WWW.ModelEngineers.org


Re: Stillwell Oyster Car

Stic Harris
 

Til what date did these interesting cars roam the tracks?

Thanks,

Stic Harris


On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:13 PM earlyrail <cascaderail@...> wrote:
Virginia Foundry & Model Works did this car a few years ago in resin.
Now out of production.
Maybe ask on the Earlyrail group if someone wants to part with one.
That is where they were advertised.

Howard Garner



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- Stic


Re: Gulf tank cars

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Brent,

Actually there is something that can be done with the Athearn car. It is a fair representation of CGTX 55201-55399 used to carry chlorine, as shown in the 1953 CAR BUILDER'S CYCLOPEDIA. No less than our own Richard Hendrickson built one of these and it can be found on page 47 of the November 1993 RAILMODEL JOURNAL.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 11/21/18 11:50 AM, Brent Greer wrote:
Please forgive the obvious ignorance (I have all the books, but not yet the time to properly digest them), but what of the Athearn blue box insulated tank car kit? Is it correct for anything as is?  What, if any, good bashes could be made from that tank?

Thanks,  and Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!
Brent

________________________________
Dr. J. Brent Greer


Re: Stillwell Oyster Car

earlyrail
 

Virginia Foundry & Model Works did this car a few years ago in resin.
Now out of production.
Maybe ask on the Earlyrail group if someone wants to part with one.
That is where they were advertised.

Howard Garner


Re: Athearn Blue Box Insulated Tank Car (was Re: [RealSTMFC] Gulf tank cars)

Brent Greer
 

Thanks Ben !

Brent

________________________________
Dr. J. Brent Greer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 12:02:47 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Athearn Blue Box Insulated Tank Car (was Re: [RealSTMFC] Gulf tank cars)
 
Brent Greer asked:
"Please forgive the obvious ignorance (I have all the books, but not yet the time to properly digest them), but what of the Athearn blue box insulated tank car kit? Is it correct for anything as is?"

No.  Biggest detractors are the grossly oversized valve bonnet and platform.


"What, if any, good bashes could be made from that tank?"

Tony Thompson has a couple at his blog:


Ben Hom




Athearn Blue Box Insulated Tank Car (was Re: [RealSTMFC] Gulf tank cars)

Benjamin Hom
 

Brent Greer asked:
"Please forgive the obvious ignorance (I have all the books, but not yet the time to properly digest them), but what of the Athearn blue box insulated tank car kit? Is it correct for anything as is?"

No.  Biggest detractors are the grossly oversized valve bonnet and platform.


"What, if any, good bashes could be made from that tank?"

Tony Thompson has a couple at his blog:


Ben Hom




Re: Gulf tank cars

Brent Greer
 

Please forgive the obvious ignorance (I have all the books, but not yet the time to properly digest them), but what of the Athearn blue box insulated tank car kit? Is it correct for anything as is?  What, if any, good bashes could be made from that tank?

Thanks,  and Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!
Brent

________________________________
Dr. J. Brent Greer


Re: Gulf tank cars

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Mark Fedderson did a beautiful kitbash of an 8000 gallon UTLX car based on a Richard Hendrickson photo.  I took the attached picture of it at the Naperville Sunshine meet more than 10 years ago.
 
 
I thought that there might be a Mainline Modeler article about it, but it does not show up in the MR/Trains Index.
 
This car is somewhat problematic in that it represents a batch of 500 cars that were originally built as 6500 gallon cars in 1916/17 and later had their tanks expanded to 8000 gallons in 1930.  I think that the below photo has been shared on this list before, from the Library of Congress.
 
 
By far the most common UTLX steam era tank car was a 10,000 gallon X-3 design, done by Sunshine and, more recently, Resin Car Works.  Eight thousand gallon X-3's came in two distinctly different tank configurations.  The longer, skinnier tanks would be similar in appearance to the Intermountain 8000 gallon tank and rode on the same X-3 underframe as the 10,000 gallon cars.  575 cars were built by ACF and GAT in 1927 numbered into the UTLX 22500 - 22874 and PX 2750 - 2849.  In about 1937, ACF built some 800 cars, but this time, the underframes were common with 2000 sixty five hundred gallon cars built at the same time.  This resulted in a shorter, fatter tank more like the P2K Type 21 tank.  These 8000 gallon cars were numbered UTLX 17000 - 17799.
 
The Tichy underframe has some similarities to the UTLX X-3 design, but will require work to be more prototypical.  In Mark Fedderson's model, based on the early 6500 gallon car, he had to create the raked end sill visible in the photo that was characteristic of the early design.  The USRA underframe has two center anchors bracketing the bottom tank outlet through the frame.  The X-3 design allowed the outlet to pass through the single anchor.  The tank support brackets on the bolsters were also unique to the X-3 design.
 
Sometimes, I think that there could be a niche market for just UTLX X-3 underframe components.  But I might be a bit biased.
 
The only MM article on kitbashing a UTLX tank car was in May 1992 by Keith Jordan, but he created an ACF Type 21 ten thousand gallon car from the Tichy components with a lot of work on the underframe.  That project was supplanted by the P2K 10000 gallon tank model. 
 
Again, probably TMI.  But there is a book ...
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ray Thibaut
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 6:44 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Gulf tank cars

Has anyone written an article on how to build a 8k gallon UTLX X-3 tank car using parts of the Gould/ Tichy tank car kit?
Ray Thibaut
567-674-9477


Re: Stillwell Oyster Car

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 11/21/2018 5:27 AM, Lester Breuer wrote:
Has anyone built one or have information regarding the car?

    Red Ball made a  kit of this car way way back.  Search;

red ball stillwell oyster car

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