From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 4:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] City of Vancouver Archives photos

Tinplate? There is a photo of first train of canned salmon...

Dennis Storzek

On Nov 29, 2018, at 12:39 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Peter and all;

B&LE cars largely served USSteel plants, and in tinplate or high-value coiled steel service (large doorways for forklift loading). I wonder who in Vancouver might have ordered those products from their USS sales guy? And with some regularity?

Elden Gatwood

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Ness
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 1:57 PM
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Eldon,

Yep...two different CofG boxcars in Vancouver! (granted, a year apart). That's a pretty long diagonal across a map of North America.

Peter Ness

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 1:46 PM
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Peter;

I sure have. The one that gives me a big kick is the 3 different B&LE box cars Mr. Frost photographed. So much for statistics!

Elden Gatwood

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Ness
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 1:40 PM
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Maybe this is old news to many, but I stumbled across this site with more than 600 photos of freight cars most of which are within scope of this group. I think the photos are generally of very good quality.
link: BlockedBlockedhttps://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/railroads-cars

Peter Ness

Johannes,

A couple of pieces of advice. One, instead of us guessing your period, it might be helpful if you include that information in your post. I know you have previously, but some of us cannot remember what we had for lunch today ;)  Second, you are, of course, free to model what you want, and while many of us feel free to comment extensively here, I would never walk into your layout room and say Johannes, that B&M car isn't correct for your period! but I'll think it… and if you ask me what I think, I will tell yyou…  Now, if you feel a little being a bit of a trrickster and harnessing your inner Loki, you can, as I do, include a few things that are NOT period correct and then ask viewers to spot the incorrect item (kind of a model railroad which of these does not belong game).

Regards

Bruce F. Smith           

On Nov 29, 2018, at 11:34 AM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:

Tim, Peter,
 
many thanks for your help. GREAT photos! Unfortunately 1955 is a little late for my projects, but that paint scheme is really nice and looks beautyful within a freight train of mostly brown or fcr cars. Hmmmm, to buy or not to buy - this is the question (again...).
 
Many greetings
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. November 2018 um 18:04 Uhr
Von: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@... >
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] When did B&M start with blue/ black paint scheme?

There is a photo of a freshly painted B&M 40' 1937 AAR box car in original
"minuteman" lettering with a shop stencil of 12-1955.

In June 1956 (perhaps earlier) the B&M was receiving blue & black 50 foot
PS-1 box cars from Pullman Standard. In 1957 they followed up with 40 foot
PS-1's with blue doors and a black right hand side panel.

Tim

 

Patrick B. McGinnis controlled the B&M about April 1955 and left the New Haven.  Herbert Matter designed both New Haven and B&M schemes. I do not know what B&M P&L drawings may say on dates for the box cars, but I believe the earliest the Blue and Black scheme could be in service is late 1955 to early 1956. NH P&L diagrams were still being developed for equipment through 1956.  Point being, just because there is new leadership doesn’t mean paint schemes are always the he first thing to change…

 

Peter Ness

 

when did B&M start to paint box cars blue with black doors? I am interested in a 1937 AAR 40' box car in that paint but need to know the earliest date possible to use it.

Many thanks

Johannes

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

One of the neat things about traveling is looking at the local railroads. In the late 1970s and onto the late 1990s, I made several trips to Mexico. One time I came into Benjamion Hill (Sonora dessert) and north of town was a long string of dozens of B+M 50' PS-1 boxcars in the topic's discussed colors of these box cars. I assumed that they were recent purchases. I did not take any pictures, as this was before free picture taking days which eventually made everything photographable. It would appear that most were not repainted on the B+M.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Thursday, November 29, 2018, 9:04:35 AM PST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

In June 1956 (perhaps earlier) the B&M was receiving blue & black 50 foot
PS-1 box cars from Pullman Standard.

Tim

So let's talk about freight cars instead of CO2. Tim, just what strange details do you mean? To me the underframe looks pretty normal for PFE. The ends of the I-beam crossbearers may have a more angular cut than the usual graceful ogee, or that may be a trick of the light. The lighting does pick out the ends of the vertical tie rods of the wood-framed sides. It also highlights four hooks above each truck, which I think are provided to hang a Keeley can in the event of a hot journal. Reasonably common in the '20s and '30s, but perhaps strange from a more modern POV. So what do you see?

Jack Mullen

On Nov 29, 2018, at 11:34 AM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:

Tim, Peter,

 

many thanks for your help. GREAT photos! Unfortunately 1955 is a little late for my projects, but that paint scheme is really nice and looks beautyful within a freight train of mostly brown or fcr cars. Hmmmm, to buy or not to buy - this is the question (again...).

 

Many greetings

 

Johannes

 

Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. November 2018 um 18:04 Uhr
Von: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] When did B&M start with blue/ black paint scheme?

There is a photo of a freshly painted B&M 40' 1937 AAR box car in original
"minuteman" lettering with a shop stencil of 12-1955.

In June 1956 (perhaps earlier) the B&M was receiving blue & black 50 foot
PS-1 box cars from Pullman Standard. In 1957 they followed up with 40 foot
PS-1's with blue doors and a black right hand side panel.

Tim

 

Patrick B. McGinnis controlled the B&M about April 1955 and left the New Haven.  Herbert Matter designed both New Haven and B&M schemes. I do not know what B&M P&L drawings may say on dates for the box cars, but I believe the earliest the Blue and Black scheme could be in service is late 1955 to early 1956. NH P&L diagrams were still being developed for equipment through 1956.  Point being, just because there is new leadership doesn’t mean paint schemes are always the first thing to change…
 
Peter Ness

 

when did B&M start to paint box cars blue with black doors? I am interested in a 1937 AAR 40' box car in that paint but need to know the earliest date possible to use it.

Many thanks

Johannes

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

There is a photo of a freshly painted B&M 40' 1937 AAR box car in original
"minuteman" lettering with a shop stencil of 12-1955.

In June 1956 (perhaps earlier) the B&M was receiving blue & black 50 foot
PS-1 box cars from Pullman Standard. In 1957 they followed up with 40 foot
PS-1's with blue doors and a black right hand side panel.

Tim

Patrick B. McGinnis controlled the B&M about April 1955 and left the New Haven.  Herbert Matter designed both New Haven and B&M schemes. I do not know what B&M P&L drawings may say on dates for the box cars, but I believe the earliest the Blue and Black scheme could be in service is late 1955 to early 1956. NH P&L diagrams were still being developed for equipment through 1956.  Point being, just because there is new leadership doesn’t mean paint schemes are always the first thing to change…
 
Peter Ness

when did B&M start to paint box cars blue with black doors? I am interested in a 1937 AAR 40' box car in that paint but need to know the earliest date possible to use it.

Many thanks

Johannes

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Patrick B. McGinnis controlled the B&M about April 1955 and left the New Haven.  Herbert Matter designed both New Haven and B&M schemes. I do not know what B&M P&L drawings may say on dates for the box cars, but I believe the earliest the Blue and Black scheme could be in service is late 1955 to early 1956. NH P&L diagrams were still being developed for equipment through 1956.  Point being, just because there is new leadership doesn’t mean paint schemes are always the first thing to change…
 
Peter Ness

when did B&M start to paint box cars blue with black doors? I am interested in a 1937 AAR 40' box car in that paint but need to know the earliest date possible to use it.

Many thanks

Johannes