Date   

FGEX 51034

John Barry
 


One of Jack Delano's earlier photos for the Farm Services Administration in 1940 at Camden MD.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


People/Crowd photos from Prototype Rails

Bill Welch
 

Friends, I am trying to convince an Airbrush vender near me to attend and sell at the 2019 CCB event and would like to send him crowd photos so he can get a sense of how many people are there. If you have atmospheric type photos for any years you can send me, please email them to me at: fgexbill(at)tampabay.rr.com

Thank you,
Bill Welch


Re: reefer details (was PFE R-30-5-11)

Tim O'Connor
 


Looking again at this picture, I thought WHY are there no etched metal
drain chutes in HO scale? Plastic models of the drains are so blobbish
and etched chutes would be so simple to etch and fold them into shape and
they'd look great!

Pierre? Peter?

Tim O'Connor



Tim,
Ah, "...the ends of the vertical tie rods of the wood-framed sides."  A typical, albeit not very obvious detail, highlighted here by the angle of the sun.   IIRC, your focus is on a somewhat later period when such were getting less common. Many wood bodied ice reefers were rebuilt with steel body framing in the late steam era.

Jack

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: PFE R-30-5-11 (??)

Jack Mullen
 

Tim,
Ah, "...the ends of the vertical tie rods of the wood-framed sides."  A typical, albeit not very obvious detail, highlighted here by the angle of the sun.   IIRC, your focus is on a somewhat later period when such were getting less common. Many wood bodied ice reefers were rebuilt with steel body framing in the late steam era.

Jack


Re: Large wheel made by Otis Iron & Steel Company

Matt Smith
 

Definitely NOT a tractor/steam traction wheel. Size, thickness of rim, weight and design are not feasible for a steam traction engine of any era. 
--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


PFE R-30-5-11 (??)

David
 

How about the NBW's along the BOTTOM of the side sill? I can't recall ever seeing that before.
Page 77 in the PFE book, a R-30-2-13, shows similar details. Most photos aren't high resolution plus low-angle lighting to reveal those details.

The car to the left in the photo also answers my question if the R-40-4 and -8 classes had poling pockets between the ladders (answer is no, but the corner bracket could be used as one).

David Thompson


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] City of Vancouver Archives photos

Peter Ness
 

…and there are photos of unloading freight cars including one of a “low side hopper” with drop doors being emptied by hand shovel.  It is a fun site.

 

Peter Ness

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 4:29 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] City of Vancouver Archives photos

 

Tinplate? There is a photo of first train of canned salmon...

Dennis Storzek


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] City of Vancouver Archives photos

Dennis Storzek
 

Tinplate? There is a photo of first train of canned salmon...

Dennis Storzek


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] City of Vancouver Archives photos

Bill Keene
 

Hello All,

Another possibility is that the US Steel loads — if they are that — could have been shipped to Vancouver for translating for shipment across the Pacific Ocean. Vancouver was/is a large and busy seaport.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Nov 29, 2018, at 12:39 PM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Peter and all;

B&LE cars largely served USSteel plants, and in tinplate or high-value coiled steel service (large doorways for forklift loading). I wonder who in Vancouver might have ordered those products from their USS sales guy? And with some regularity?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Ness
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 1:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] City of Vancouver Archives photos

Eldon,

Yep...two different CofG boxcars in Vancouver! (granted, a year apart). That's a pretty long diagonal across a map of North America.

Peter Ness

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 1:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] City of Vancouver Archives photos

Peter;

I sure have. The one that gives me a big kick is the 3 different B&LE box cars Mr. Frost photographed. So much for statistics!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Ness
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 1:40 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] City of Vancouver Archives photos

Maybe this is old news to many, but I stumbled across this site with more than 600 photos of freight cars most of which are within scope of this group. I think the photos are generally of very good quality.
link: BlockedBlockedhttps://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/railroads-cars

Peter Ness












Kitbashing Fun Work In Progress Stirrup Steps Question

Ken Adams
 

I have been filling my time with a kitbash project meant to develop a few techniques. I had an old (1980's) NP Athearn blue box 40 foot box car and I decided to see what I could do with it. In particular I was trying the technique of making full height doors and replacing the cast end ladder rungs with .010 plastic rod using the existing cast on ladder stiles after a Lester Breuer technique. Well, it is a test project,  But I decided to see if I could replicate the NP stirrup steps. The NP stirrup shown on pictures of their 1940 box cars are an angle on the car body side, flat step and then another angle to the end attachment behind the poling pocket. 

Yarmouth's resin kit for a similar car YMV-107 shows this less common stirrup in it's picture on the website. However, that type of stirrup is not shown in the list of available to order parts. I could fudge it as this is a foobie but thought I might try to see if anyone can suggest an alternative. I am not that good at consistent bending of small wire strip even with a jig.


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] City of Vancouver Archives photos

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Peter and all;

B&LE cars largely served USSteel plants, and in tinplate or high-value coiled steel service (large doorways for forklift loading). I wonder who in Vancouver might have ordered those products from their USS sales guy? And with some regularity?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Ness
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 1:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] City of Vancouver Archives photos

Eldon,

Yep...two different CofG boxcars in Vancouver! (granted, a year apart). That's a pretty long diagonal across a map of North America.

Peter Ness

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 1:46 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] City of Vancouver Archives photos

Peter;

I sure have. The one that gives me a big kick is the 3 different B&LE box cars Mr. Frost photographed. So much for statistics!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Ness
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 1:40 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] City of Vancouver Archives photos

Maybe this is old news to many, but I stumbled across this site with more than 600 photos of freight cars most of which are within scope of this group. I think the photos are generally of very good quality.
link: BlockedBlockedhttps://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/railroads-cars

Peter Ness


Re: When did B&M start with blue/ black paint scheme?

Tim O'Connor
 


some other colorful cars (in add to SOM cars mentioned) from 1953:
reefers (lots of 'em), TP&W box cars (green), B&O Timesaver (blue &
orange), Western Pacific (several billboard paint schemes), Rutland (!!),
Monon (white letterboard stripe), MKT and MWR (yellow), EJ&E (green),
PRR (merchandise service), M&StL (green), MP (yellow-cream-blue), etc

Bruce, you could make it really challenging like Mike Brock's 41'6"
Branchline box car - which to date has stumped everyone who has played
as far as I know! ;-)

Tim O'Connor


Johannes,

A couple of pieces of advice. One, instead of us guessing your period, it might be helpful if you include that information in your post. I know you have previously, but some of us cannot remember what we had for lunch today ;)  Second, you are, of course, free to model what you want, and while many of us feel free to comment extensively here, I would never walk into your layout room and say Johannes, that B&M car isn't correct for your period! but I'll think it… and if you ask me what I think, I will tell yyou…  Now, if you feel a little being a bit of a trrickster and harnessing your inner Loki, you can, as I do, include a few things that are NOT period correct and then ask viewers to spot the incorrect item (kind of a model railroad which of these does not belong game).

Regards

Bruce F. Smith           




On Nov 29, 2018, at 11:34 AM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:

Tim, Peter,
 
many thanks for your help. GREAT photos! Unfortunately 1955 is a little late for my projects, but that paint scheme is really nice and looks beautyful within a freight train of mostly brown or fcr cars. Hmmmm, to buy or not to buy - this is the question (again...).
 
Many greetings
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. November 2018 um 18:04 Uhr
Von: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@... >
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] When did B&M start with blue/ black paint scheme?

There is a photo of a freshly painted B&M 40' 1937 AAR box car in original
"minuteman" lettering with a shop stencil of 12-1955.

In June 1956 (perhaps earlier) the B&M was receiving blue & black 50 foot
PS-1 box cars from Pullman Standard. In 1957 they followed up with 40 foot
PS-1's with blue doors and a black right hand side panel.

Tim

 
Patrick B. McGinnis controlled the B&M about April 1955 and left the New Haven.  Herbert Matter designed both New Haven and B&M schemes. I do not know what B&M P&L drawings may say on dates for the box cars, but I believe the earliest the Blue and Black scheme could be in service is late 1955 to early 1956. NH P&L diagrams were still being developed for equipment through 1956.  Point being, just because there is new leadership doesn’t mean paint schemes are always the he first thing to change…
 
Peter Ness





 
when did B&M start to paint box cars blue with black doors? I am interested in a 1937 AAR 40' box car in that paint but need to know the earliest date possible to use it.

Many thanks

Johannes


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: When did B&M start with blue/ black paint scheme?

Tim O'Connor
 

Andy

Dunno what became of them (there were 1,000 of those B&M 50 foot cars) but
in 1971 (date of this photo) they were still repainting and modernized some
of their PS-1 box cars (a 40 foot car in this case).

Tim

One of the neat things about traveling is looking at the local railroads. In the late 1970s and onto the late 1990s, I made several trips to Mexico. One time I came into Benjamion Hill (Sonora dessert) and north of town was a long string of dozens of B+M 50' PS-1 boxcars in the topic's discussed colors of these box cars. I assumed that they were recent purchases. I did not take any pictures, as this was before free picture taking days which eventually made everything photographable. It would appear that most were not repainted on the B+M.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Thursday, November 29, 2018, 9:04:35 AM PST, Tim O'Connor <@timboconnor> wrote:

In June 1956 (perhaps earlier) the B&M was receiving blue & black 50 foot
PS-1 box cars from Pullman Standard.

Tim
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: PFE R-30-5-11 (??)

Tim O'Connor
 

Jack

How about the NBW's along the BOTTOM of the side sill? I can't recall ever
seeing that before.

So let's talk about freight cars instead of CO2. Tim, just what strange details do you mean? To me the underframe looks pretty normal for PFE. The ends of the I-beam crossbearers may have a more angular cut than the usual graceful ogee, or that may be a trick of the light. The lighting does pick out the ends of the vertical tie rods of the wood-framed sides. It also highlights four hooks above each truck, which I think are provided to hang a Keeley can in the event of a hot journal. Reasonably common in the '20s and '30s, but perhaps strange from a more modern POV. So what do you see?

Jack Mullen
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: When did B&M start with blue/ black paint scheme?

Bruce Smith
 

Johannes,

A couple of pieces of advice. One, instead of us guessing your period, it might be helpful if you include that information in your post. I know you have previously, but some of us cannot remember what we had for lunch today ;)  Second, you are, of course, free to model what you want, and while many of us feel free to comment extensively here, I would never walk into your layout room and say “Johannes, that B&M car isn’t correct for your period!” but I’ll think it… and if you ask me what I think, I will tell you…  Now, if you feel a little being a bit of a trickster and harnessing your inner Loki, you can, as I do, include a few things that are NOT period correct and then ask viewers to spot the incorrect item (kind of a model railroad “which of these does not belong” game).

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Nov 29, 2018, at 11:34 AM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:

Tim, Peter,
 
many thanks for your help. GREAT photos! Unfortunately 1955 is a little late for my projects, but that paint scheme is really nice and looks beautyful within a freight train of mostly brown or fcr cars. Hmmmm, to buy or not to buy - this is the question (again...).
 
Many greetings
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. November 2018 um 18:04 Uhr
Von: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] When did B&M start with blue/ black paint scheme?

There is a photo of a freshly painted B&M 40' 1937 AAR box car in original
"minuteman" lettering with a shop stencil of 12-1955.

In June 1956 (perhaps earlier) the B&M was receiving blue & black 50 foot
PS-1 box cars from Pullman Standard. In 1957 they followed up with 40 foot
PS-1's with blue doors and a black right hand side panel.

Tim

 
Patrick B. McGinnis controlled the B&M about April 1955 and left the New Haven.  Herbert Matter designed both New Haven and B&M schemes. I do not know what B&M P&L drawings may say on dates for the box cars, but I believe the earliest the Blue and Black scheme could be in service is late 1955 to early 1956. NH P&L diagrams were still being developed for equipment through 1956.  Point being, just because there is new leadership doesn’t mean paint schemes are always the first thing to change…
 
Peter Ness




 
when did B&M start to paint box cars blue with black doors? I am interested in a 1937 AAR 40' box car in that paint but need to know the earliest date possible to use it.

Many thanks

Johannes

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] City of Vancouver Archives photos

Peter Ness
 

Eldon,

Yep...two different CofG boxcars in Vancouver! (granted, a year apart). That's a pretty long diagonal across a map of North America.

Peter Ness

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 1:46 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] City of Vancouver Archives photos

Peter;

I sure have. The one that gives me a big kick is the 3 different B&LE box cars Mr. Frost photographed. So much for statistics!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Ness
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 1:40 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] City of Vancouver Archives photos

Maybe this is old news to many, but I stumbled across this site with more than 600 photos of freight cars most of which are within scope of this group. I think the photos are generally of very good quality.
link: Blockedhttps://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/railroads-cars

Peter Ness


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] City of Vancouver Archives photos

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Peter;

I sure have. The one that gives me a big kick is the 3 different B&LE box cars Mr. Frost photographed. So much for statistics!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Ness
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 1:40 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] City of Vancouver Archives photos

Maybe this is old news to many, but I stumbled across this site with more than 600 photos of freight cars most of which are within scope of this group. I think the photos are generally of very good quality.
link: Blockedhttps://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/railroads-cars

Peter Ness


City of Vancouver Archives photos

Peter Ness
 

Maybe this is old news to many, but I stumbled across this site with more than 600 photos of freight cars most of which are within scope of this group.  I think the photos are generally of very good quality.
link: https://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/railroads-cars

Peter Ness 


When did B&M start with blue/ black paint scheme?

Andy Carlson
 

One of the neat things about traveling is looking at the local railroads. In the late 1970s and onto the late 1990s, I made several trips to Mexico. One time I came into Benjamion Hill (Sonora dessert) and north of town was a long string of dozens of B+M 50' PS-1 boxcars in the topic's discussed colors of these box cars. I assumed that they were recent purchases. I did not take any pictures, as this was before free picture taking days which eventually made everything photographable. It would appear that most were not repainted on the B+M.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Thursday, November 29, 2018, 9:04:35 AM PST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

In June 1956 (perhaps earlier) the B&M was receiving blue & black 50 foot
PS-1 box cars from Pullman Standard.

Tim






Re: When did B&M start with blue/ black paint scheme?

Peter Ness
 

Johannes,

 

There are not a lot of colorful boxcar schemes prior to the mid-50’s, but BAR (red/white/blue) and B&O (Sentinel) were in service 1953 if that helps.

 

Peter Ness

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of vapeurchapelon
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 12:34 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] When did B&M start with blue/ black paint scheme?

 

Tim, Peter,

 

many thanks for your help. GREAT photos! Unfortunately 1955 is a little late for my projects, but that paint scheme is really nice and looks beautyful within a freight train of mostly brown or fcr cars. Hmmmm, to buy or not to buy - this is the question (again...).

 

Many greetings

 

Johannes

 

Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. November 2018 um 18:04 Uhr
Von: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] When did B&M start with blue/ black paint scheme?


There is a photo of a freshly painted B&M 40' 1937 AAR box car in original
"minuteman" lettering with a shop stencil of 12-1955.

In June 1956 (perhaps earlier) the B&M was receiving blue & black 50 foot
PS-1 box cars from Pullman Standard. In 1957 they followed up with 40 foot
PS-1's with blue doors and a black right hand side panel.

Tim

 

Patrick B. McGinnis controlled the B&M about April 1955 and left the New Haven.  Herbert Matter designed both New Haven and B&M schemes. I do not know what B&M P&L drawings may say on dates for the box cars, but I believe the earliest the Blue and Black scheme could be in service is late 1955 to early 1956. NH P&L diagrams were still being developed for equipment through 1956.  Point being, just because there is new leadership doesn’t mean paint schemes are always the first thing to change…
 
Peter Ness





 

when did B&M start to paint box cars blue with black doors? I am interested in a 1937 AAR 40' box car in that paint but need to know the earliest date possible to use it.

Many thanks

Johannes


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts