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Re: Clinchfield SS USRA boxcar
Bill Welch
These are one of the few original deliveries of the 50-ton USRA cars to serve into the 1950's in their original form with only AB Brake change. Westerfield has a great kit w/correct decals for later service. Several photos exist with many from Col McCoid photos in Bob's Photo collection.
Curiously both the Clinchfield USRA 2-bay hoppers and boxcars had CC&O reporting marks through their service lives while rest of the fleet carried CRR reporting marks. Bill Welch
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Re: Operating session setup
Brian Termunde
Lester,
I'm not sure if I thanked you or not when you posted the first part of this, but Thank You very much for doing so!
I've printed and saved both for future reference.
Take Care,
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah
Operating session setup
From: Lester Breuer
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2018 17:21:31 PST
Once a freight car goes into service on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company it becomes a part of railroad traffic that moves via an industry based card system.
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Re: Fees masquerading as "Donations, was: Photo: Transformer Load
Brian Termunde
While I have no issue with organizations trying to support themselves while making useful items such as photos and documents, I do NOT like having to make a "donation" (which is supposed to be voluntary) when it really is a fee (which is mandatory). Call it what it actually is. A fee I might be willing to pay if it is worthwhile to me, but demanding a "donation", odds are, even where I would have willing paid the fee, I won't pay a mandatory "donation".
Take care, Brian R. Termunde Midvale, UT
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More National Archives pics
David
I think this is a copy of a Western Pacific order?
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/45502189 A very late variation of the ACF channel-side hopper: https://catalog.archives.gov/id/45502185 David Thompson
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Re: When did B&M start with blue/ black paint scheme?
vapeurchapelon
Tim,
many thanks for this impressive list! Months ago someone posted a very nice photo of a - once - yellow MKT wood box car. I saved that photo, perhaps I will have a car painted and weathered like this one.
Great news that the "State-of-Maine" scheme has been introduced sometime in 1953! This is one of the most beautyful freight car color schemes ever in my eyes.
Bruce,
your are right, of course. From now on I will include that info below every posting (except I am forgetting it...).
Nice idea to run that B&M car nonetheless - and: yes I purchased it...
Thanks again to everyone.
Johannes
modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. November 2018 um 21:13 Uhr
Von: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...> An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] When did B&M start with blue/ black paint scheme? some other colorful cars (in add to SOM cars mentioned) from 1953: reefers (lots of 'em), TP&W box cars (green), B&O Timesaver (blue & orange), Western Pacific (several billboard paint schemes), Rutland (!!), Monon (white letterboard stripe), MKT and MWR (yellow), EJ&E (green), PRR (merchandise service), M&StL (green), MP (yellow-cream-blue), etc Bruce, you could make it really challenging like Mike Brock's 41'6" Branchline box car - which to date has stumped everyone who has played as far as I know! ;-) Tim O'Connor
Johannes, On Nov 29, 2018, at 11:34 AM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:
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Clinchfield SS USRA boxcar
David
That is a fascia strip for the floor boards.
David Thompson
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Re: Clinchfield SS USRA boxcar
Doesn’t have the weight stenciled in yet.
Thanks!
From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
Interesting photo. I’m wondering about the “board” immediately above the side sill. It appears a different tone. Is it just a different width filler board, a floor board, or does it serve another function? I don’t recall noticing anything like this at the bottom of side sheathing on a USRA car in the past.
Rob
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2018 8:10 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Transformer Load
Hi Jim and List Members,
The site Jim referenced https://catalog.archives.gov/ has some cool railroad photos. See below for a Clinchfeld USRA single sheathed boxcar.
Claus Schlund
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Re: Layout tour video
vapeurchapelon
Wow! This looks VERY good. Especially the grass between the rails makes for a perfect branchline appearence.
(I just wonder why the engine has trouble with just 8 cars...!?)
Many thanks for sharing this video.
Johannes
Gesendet: Montag, 03. Dezember 2018 um 02:25 Uhr
Von: "Clark Propst" <cepropst@q.com> An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Betreff: [RealSTMFC] Layout tour video The other day a friend took a video of my layout. Plenty of freights cars ; ))
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A2oBDhadv8 Clark Propst
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Clinchfield SS USRA boxcar
Robert kirkham
Interesting photo. I’m wondering about the “board” immediately above the side sill. It appears a different tone. Is it just a different width filler board, a floor board, or does it serve another function? I don’t recall noticing anything like this at the bottom of side sheathing on a USRA car in the past.
Rob
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2018 8:10 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Transformer Load
Hi Jim and List Members,
The site Jim referenced https://catalog.archives.gov/ has some cool railroad photos. See below for a Clinchfeld USRA single sheathed boxcar.
Claus Schlund
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Re: Photo: Transformer Load
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
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Hi Jim and List Members,
The site Jim referenced https://catalog.archives.gov/ has some
cool railroad photos. See below for a Clinchfeld USRA single sheathed
boxcar.
Claus Schlund
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Re: PENNSYLVANIA X31 BOXCAR QUESTION
Brian, Good catch on the Southern (CNO&TP) 40 foot cars. On the prototype the trucks were not a problem. The 6 in the center of the car are modeled. I include the floor diagram with dimensions, in the instruction sheet. Fenton
On the brake arrangement diagram for X31b-c cars, Bruce counts six floor tubes, but I see the locations for ten. There are six round tubes near the center but another four off to the right. These include two oval tubes below the center line and above them another oval and a slanted oval tube. --
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Re: Load placement, was Photo: Transformer Load
Ralph W. Brown
Hi Bruce, Rod and all you TrucTrain, TOFC and intermodal guys,
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The same rule applies to the loading of trucks and trailers. Concentrated heavy loads are typically placed over the wheels, and/or, in the case of trailers, the "fifth wheel." Weight is also distributed evenly from side to side during loading and unloading as well as in transit. Pax, Ralph Brown Portland, Maine PRRT&HS No. 3966 NMRA No. L2532 rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
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From: Bruce Smith Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2018 11:46 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Transformer Load Rod, Much to the contrary, this is absolutely the correct way to load a flat car. There were very few flat cars that could take the entire load limit in the center of the span (the PRR F22 being one). The loading information for most flat cars required heavy loads to be loaded off center. I was all set to post that this was a great example of just that when your post appeared ;) So bottom line, I highly doubt that the location of the lading is the issue or that there was another transformer at the other end of the car. More modelers need to model loads in this manner! Regards, Bruce Smith Auburn, AL ________________________________________ From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Rod Miller <rod@...> Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2018 6:08 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Transformer Load Is it not very bad practice to place a heavy load at one end of a car instead of centering it? Since the scene may be a bad order track, improper positioning of the load could be the cause for the car being there. Of course there may have been a second transformer at the other end of the car, but there is no evidence (dunnage) that one had been there and was unloaded recently. There must be a good explanation since it is difficult to understand why that load was allowed to leave the factory. -- Rod Miller Handcraftsman === Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives, | O Scale/S Scale West/Narrow Gauge West Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More | 2019 O Scale National Convention http://www.rodmiller.com | 2019 Dates Are May 23 - 25 | http://www.oscalewest.com
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Re: Photo: Transformer Load
Rod,
Much to the contrary, this is absolutely the correct way to load a flat car. There were very few flat cars that could take the entire load limit in the center of the span (the PRR F22 being one). The loading information for most flat cars required heavy loads to be loaded off center. I was all set to post that this was a great example of just that when your post appeared ;) So bottom line, I highly doubt that the location of the lading is the issue or that there was another transformer at the other end of the car. More modelers need to model loads in this manner! Regards, Bruce Smith Auburn, AL ________________________________________ From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Rod Miller <rod@...> Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2018 6:08 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Transformer Load Is it not very bad practice to place a heavy load at one end of a car instead of centering it? Since the scene may be a bad order track, improper positioning of the load could be the cause for the car being there. Of course there may have been a second transformer at the other end of the car, but there is no evidence (dunnage) that one had been there and was unloaded recently. There must be a good explanation since it is difficult to understand why that load was allowed to leave the factory. -- Rod Miller Handcraftsman === Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives, | O Scale/S Scale West/Narrow Gauge West Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More | 2019 O Scale National Convention http://www.rodmiller.com | 2019 Dates Are May 23 - 25 | http://www.oscalewest.com
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Re: PENNSYLVANIA X31 BOXCAR QUESTION
Yep - should have said six CENTER tubes ;) (and for that matter on all the others, 4 CENTER tubes. In general. cars also had 2 tubes at each end for a total of 8 tubes on the X31/X31F and 10 on the X31B. I tend to ignore the end tubes due to the difficulty
in modeling them without interfering with the trucks.
Regards, Bruce Smith Auburn AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of brianleppert@... <brianleppert@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2018 6:38 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PENNSYLVANIA X31 BOXCAR QUESTION On the brake arrangement diagram for X31b-c cars, Bruce counts six floor tubes, but I see the locations for ten. There are six round tubes near the center but another four off to the right. These include two oval tubes below the center line and above
them another oval and a slanted oval tube.
This drawing is somewhat similar to one found in the Southern Railway Historical Association's Southern Railway Equipment Drawings and Photographs Volume 1, Book 1 - 40' Steel Box Cars, page 53. Here is a brake arrangement / underframe drawing for CNO&TP's 40-ton steel auto cars, #272500-272999 (the same as the upcoming Cocoa Rail's shake-n-take project). It shows a total of 12 floor tubes and labels them. Near the center are six "5" dia. tubes", near the A end are two "5"x6" oval tubes" and around the body bolster at the B end are three more oval tubes and one "angle tube". The diagram Bruce attached doesn't show the entire underframe. Maybe the PRR cars had two more tubes at the A end like the Southern cars. Brian Leppert Carson City, NV
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Re: Photo: Transformer Load
John Barry
By sheet, are you referring to the large trapezoidal vertical that extends nearly to the railhead? If so, that "sheet" is in fact one of the four fishbelly channels that make up the underframe of the Fe-16 class 50' XAR. The 100 car class was re-built from double sheathed Fe-K/M cars in 1937. John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
On Saturday, December 8, 2018, 5:05:47 PM EST, David Soderblom <drs@...> wrote:
Note the poor condition of the tarp, which appears to be canvas covered with a thick paint. Has the car been set out to check for damage? The ATSF box coupled to it has a sheet of something under the door that would interfere with movement. The Rutland car the other day had its pockets bolted to the side sill, not riveted, which seems odd. In any case the shipper seems to have modified the car. I wonder what SP’s reaction was once they figured it out.
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Operating session setup
Lester Breuer
Once a freight car goes into service on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company it becomes a part of railroad traffic that moves via an industry based card system. It Is different from other systems as it has time built in. I was asked to writeup my operating system by operators who think it simulates prototype operation well. I have done my best to describe my card system in two parts: paperwork setup - Part 1 ( prior post ) and operation session setup- Part-2. Part 2 photos and writeup of my system to move freight cars on my railroad are now on my blog I started to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company. If you would like to take a look please do at the following:
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Re: Photo: Transformer Load
Nelson Moyer
It’s not uncommon to see one or two heavy loads positioned over the trucks, especially on low tonnage rating flat cars. Transformers are heavy, hence the positioning over a truck.
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Nelson Moyer
On Dec 8, 2018, at 4:08 PM, Rod Miller <rod@...> wrote:
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Re: PENNSYLVANIA X31 BOXCAR QUESTION
brianleppert@att.net
On the brake arrangement diagram for X31b-c cars, Bruce counts six floor tubes, but I see the locations for ten. There are six round tubes near the center but another four off to the right. These include two oval tubes below the center line and above them another oval and a slanted oval tube.
This drawing is somewhat similar to one found in the Southern Railway Historical Association's Southern Railway Equipment Drawings and Photographs Volume 1, Book 1 - 40' Steel Box Cars, page 53. Here is a brake arrangement / underframe drawing for CNO&TP's 40-ton steel auto cars, #272500-272999 (the same as the upcoming Cocoa Rail's shake-n-take project). It shows a total of 12 floor tubes and labels them. Near the center are six "5" dia. tubes", near the A end are two "5"x6" oval tubes" and around the body bolster at the B end are three more oval tubes and one "angle tube". The diagram Bruce attached doesn't show the entire underframe. Maybe the PRR cars had two more tubes at the A end like the Southern cars. Brian Leppert Carson City, NV
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Re: Photo: Transformer Load
Nelson Moyer
Only original and high definition downloads require a donation. Medium and lower defination do not require a donation.
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Nelson Moyer
On Dec 8, 2018, at 3:49 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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Re: Photo: Transformer Load
Rod Miller
Is it not very bad practice to place a heavy load at
one end of a car instead of centering it? Since the scene may be a bad order track, improper positioning of the load could be the cause for the car being there. Of course there may have been a second transformer at the other end of the car, but there is no evidence (dunnage) that one had been there and was unloaded recently. There must be a good explanation since it is difficult to understand why that load was allowed to leave the factory. -- Rod Miller Handcraftsman === Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives, | O Scale/S Scale West/Narrow Gauge West Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More | 2019 O Scale National Convention http://www.rodmiller.com | 2019 Dates Are May 23 - 25 | http://www.oscalewest.com
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