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Re: Operating session setup

Brian Termunde
 

Lester,
I'm not sure if I thanked you or not when you posted the first part of this, but Thank You very much for doing so!

I've printed and saved both for future reference.

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah


Operating session setup 
From: Lester Breuer
Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2018 17:21:31 PST 

Once a freight car goes into service on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company it becomes a part of railroad traffic that moves via an industry based card system. 

Re: Fees masquerading as "Donations, was: Photo: Transformer Load

Brian Termunde
 

While I have no issue with organizations trying to support themselves while making useful items such as photos and documents, I do NOT like having to make a "donation" (which is supposed to be voluntary) when it really is a fee (which is mandatory). Call it what it actually is. A fee I might be willing to pay if it is worthwhile to me, but demanding a "donation", odds are, even where I would have willing paid the fee, I won't pay a mandatory "donation".

Take care,

Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, UT

More National Archives pics

David
 

I think this is a copy of a Western Pacific order?
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/45502189

A very late variation of the ACF channel-side hopper:
https://catalog.archives.gov/id/45502185

David Thompson

Re: When did B&M start with blue/ black paint scheme?

vapeurchapelon
 

Tim,
 
many thanks for this impressive list! Months ago someone posted a very nice photo of a - once - yellow MKT wood box car. I saved that photo, perhaps I will have a car painted and weathered like this one.
 
Great news that the "State-of-Maine" scheme has been introduced sometime in 1953! This is one of the most beautyful freight car color schemes ever in my eyes.
 
Bruce,
 
your are right, of course. From now on I will include that info below every posting (except I am forgetting it...).
Nice idea to run that B&M car nonetheless - and: yes I purchased it...
 
Thanks again to everyone.
 
Johannes
modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. November 2018 um 21:13 Uhr
Von: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] When did B&M start with blue/ black paint scheme?

some other colorful cars (in add to SOM cars mentioned) from 1953:
reefers (lots of 'em), TP&W box cars (green), B&O Timesaver (blue &
orange), Western Pacific (several billboard paint schemes), Rutland (!!),
Monon (white letterboard stripe), MKT and MWR (yellow), EJ&E (green),
PRR (merchandise service), M&StL (green), MP (yellow-cream-blue), etc

Bruce, you could make it really challenging like Mike Brock's 41'6"
Branchline box car - which to date has stumped everyone who has played
as far as I know! ;-)

Tim O'Connor

 

Johannes,

A couple of pieces of advice. One, instead of us guessing your period, it might be helpful if you include that information in your post. I know you have previously, but some of us cannot remember what we had for lunch today ;)  Second, you are, of course, free to model what you want, and while many of us feel free to comment extensively here, I would never walk into your layout room and say Johannes, that B&M car isn't correct for your period! but I'll think it… and if you ask me what I think, I will tell yyou…  Now, if you feel a little being a bit of a trrickster and harnessing your inner Loki, you can, as I do, include a few things that are NOT period correct and then ask viewers to spot the incorrect item (kind of a model railroad which of these does not belong game).

Regards

Bruce F. Smith           



 
On Nov 29, 2018, at 11:34 AM, vapeurchapelon <j.markwart@...> wrote:

Tim, Peter,
 
many thanks for your help. GREAT photos! Unfortunately 1955 is a little late for my projects, but that paint scheme is really nice and looks beautyful within a freight train of mostly brown or fcr cars. Hmmmm, to buy or not to buy - this is the question (again...).
 
Many greetings
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. November 2018 um 18:04 Uhr
Von: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@... >
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] When did B&M start with blue/ black paint scheme?

There is a photo of a freshly painted B&M 40' 1937 AAR box car in original
"minuteman" lettering with a shop stencil of 12-1955.

In June 1956 (perhaps earlier) the B&M was receiving blue & black 50 foot
PS-1 box cars from Pullman Standard. In 1957 they followed up with 40 foot
PS-1's with blue doors and a black right hand side panel.

Tim

 
Patrick B. McGinnis controlled the B&M about April 1955 and left the New Haven.  Herbert Matter designed both New Haven and B&M schemes. I do not know what B&M P&L drawings may say on dates for the box cars, but I believe the earliest the Blue and Black scheme could be in service is late 1955 to early 1956. NH P&L diagrams were still being developed for equipment through 1956.  Point being, just because there is new leadership doesn’t mean paint schemes are always the he first thing to change…
 
Peter Ness
 




 
when did B&M start to paint box cars blue with black doors? I am interested in a 1937 AAR 40' box car in that paint but need to know the earliest date possible to use it.
 
Many thanks
 
Johannes
 

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Clinchfield SS USRA boxcar

David
 

That is a fascia strip for the floor boards.

David Thompson

Re: Clinchfield SS USRA boxcar

BRIAN PAUL EHNI
 

Doesn’t have the weight stenciled in yet.

 

 

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

 

 

From: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Robert kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
Reply-To: <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 10:49 AM
To: "main@RealSTMFC.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Clinchfield SS USRA boxcar

 

Interesting photo.  I’m wondering about the “board” immediately above the side sill.  It appears a different tone.  Is it just a different width filler board, a floor board, or does it serve another function?  I don’t recall noticing anything like this at the bottom of side sheathing on a USRA car in the past.

 

Rob

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2018 8:10 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Transformer Load

 

Hi Jim and List Members,

 

The site Jim referenced https://catalog.archives.gov/ has some cool railroad photos. See below for a Clinchfeld USRA single sheathed boxcar.

 

 

Claus Schlund

 

Re: Layout tour video

vapeurchapelon
 

Wow! This looks VERY good. Especially the grass between the rails makes for a perfect branchline appearence.
(I just wonder why the engine has trouble with just 8 cars...!?)
 
Many thanks for sharing this video.
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Montag, 03. Dezember 2018 um 02:25 Uhr
Von: "Clark Propst" <cepropst@q.com>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: [RealSTMFC] Layout tour video
The other day a friend took a video of my layout. Plenty of freights cars  ;  ))

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A2oBDhadv8


Clark Propst

Clinchfield SS USRA boxcar

Robert kirkham
 

Interesting photo.  I’m wondering about the “board” immediately above the side sill.  It appears a different tone.  Is it just a different width filler board, a floor board, or does it serve another function?  I don’t recall noticing anything like this at the bottom of side sheathing on a USRA car in the past.

 

Rob

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2018 8:10 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Transformer Load

 

Hi Jim and List Members,

 

The site Jim referenced https://catalog.archives.gov/ has some cool railroad photos. See below for a Clinchfeld USRA single sheathed boxcar.

 

 

Claus Schlund

 

Re: Photo: Transformer Load

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Jim and List Members,
 
The site Jim referenced https://catalog.archives.gov/ has some cool railroad photos. See below for a Clinchfeld USRA single sheathed boxcar.
 
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2018 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Transformer Load

If you try to download it from that site they want a "donation", but if you copy the caption, click on the link https://catalog.archives.gov/, and search for the caption you will find two photos.  The second search result was this photo.  The first is a closer shot that does give some more detail.  From this I could verify that it is SP 4136x.  This photo also has two ATSF Fe cars and shows the second floor of a Santa Fe freight house.  I would guess Berkley or Oakland.

Jim Gates

--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 12/8/18, Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

 Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Transformer Load
 To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
 Date: Saturday, December 8, 2018, 3:00 PM
 
 Tarped transformer on a flat car (Southern Pacific?):
 https://picryl.com/media/interphase-transformer-from-westinghouse-loaded-on-train-flat-car-photograph-415445
 Click on the photo to enlarge it and then scroll to enlarge it further.
 Caption: "Interphase transformer from Westinghouse, loaded on train flat car. Photograph taken January 24,
 1950."
 Good detail of how the rods securing the load are routed through the stake pockets and held in place. These stake pockets
 appear to be different from the others.
 Bob Chaparro
 Hemet, CA



Re: PENNSYLVANIA X31 BOXCAR QUESTION

O Fenton Wells
 

Brian, Good catch on the Southern (CNO&TP) 40 foot cars.  On the prototype the trucks were not a problem.  The 6 in the center of the car are modeled.  I include the floor diagram with dimensions, in the instruction sheet.
Fenton

On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 7:38 PM brianleppert@... <brianleppert@...> wrote:
On the brake arrangement diagram for X31b-c cars, Bruce counts six floor tubes, but I see the locations for ten.  There are six round tubes near the center but another four off to the right.  These include two oval tubes below the center line and above them another oval and a slanted oval tube.

This drawing is somewhat similar to one found in the Southern Railway Historical Association's Southern Railway Equipment Drawings and Photographs Volume 1, Book 1 - 40' Steel Box Cars, page 53.  Here is a brake arrangement / underframe drawing for CNO&TP's 40-ton steel auto cars, #272500-272999 (the same as the upcoming Cocoa Rail's shake-n-take project).  It shows a total of 12 floor tubes and labels them.

Near the center are six "5" dia. tubes", near the A end are two "5"x6" oval tubes" and around the body bolster at the B end are three more oval tubes and one "angle tube".

The diagram Bruce attached doesn't show the entire underframe.  Maybe the PRR cars had two more tubes at the A end like the Southern cars.  

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV



--
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250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: Load placement, was Photo: Transformer Load

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Bruce, Rod and all you TrucTrain, TOFC and intermodal guys,

The same rule applies to the loading of trucks and trailers. Concentrated heavy loads are typically placed over the wheels, and/or, in the case of trailers, the "fifth wheel." Weight is also distributed evenly from side to side during loading and unloading as well as in transit.

Pax,


Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Smith
Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2018 11:46 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Transformer Load

Rod,

Much to the contrary, this is absolutely the correct way to load a flat car. There were very few flat cars that could take the entire load limit in the center of the span (the PRR F22 being one). The loading information for most flat cars required heavy loads to be loaded off center. I was all set to post that this was a great example of just that when your post appeared ;) So bottom line, I highly doubt that the location of the lading is the issue or that there was another transformer at the other end of the car. More modelers need to model loads in this manner!

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
________________________________________
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Rod Miller <rod@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2018 6:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Transformer Load

Is it not very bad practice to place a heavy load at
one end of a car instead of centering it? Since the scene
may be a bad order track, improper positioning of the load
could be the cause for the car being there.

Of course there may have been a second transformer at
the other end of the car, but there is no evidence
(dunnage) that one had been there and was unloaded recently.

There must be a good explanation since it is difficult to
understand why that load was allowed to leave the factory.

--
Rod Miller
Handcraftsman
===
Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives, | O Scale/S Scale West/Narrow Gauge West
Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More | 2019 O Scale National Convention
http://www.rodmiller.com | 2019 Dates Are May 23 - 25
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Re: Photo: Transformer Load

Bruce Smith
 

Rod,

Much to the contrary, this is absolutely the correct way to load a flat car. There were very few flat cars that could take the entire load limit in the center of the span (the PRR F22 being one). The loading information for most flat cars required heavy loads to be loaded off center. I was all set to post that this was a great example of just that when your post appeared ;) So bottom line, I highly doubt that the location of the lading is the issue or that there was another transformer at the other end of the car. More modelers need to model loads in this manner!

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
________________________________________
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Rod Miller <rod@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2018 6:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Transformer Load

Is it not very bad practice to place a heavy load at
one end of a car instead of centering it? Since the scene
may be a bad order track, improper positioning of the load
could be the cause for the car being there.

Of course there may have been a second transformer at
the other end of the car, but there is no evidence
(dunnage) that one had been there and was unloaded recently.

There must be a good explanation since it is difficult to
understand why that load was allowed to leave the factory.

--
Rod Miller
Handcraftsman
===
Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives, | O Scale/S Scale West/Narrow Gauge West
Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More | 2019 O Scale National Convention
http://www.rodmiller.com | 2019 Dates Are May 23 - 25
| http://www.oscalewest.com

Re: PENNSYLVANIA X31 BOXCAR QUESTION

Bruce Smith
 

Yep - should have said six CENTER tubes ;)​ (and for that matter on all the others, 4 CENTER tubes. In general. cars also had 2 tubes at each end for a total of 8 tubes on the X31/X31F and 10 on the X31B. I tend to ignore the end tubes due to the difficulty in modeling them without interfering with the trucks.


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of brianleppert@... <brianleppert@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2018 6:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PENNSYLVANIA X31 BOXCAR QUESTION
 
On the brake arrangement diagram for X31b-c cars, Bruce counts six floor tubes, but I see the locations for ten.  There are six round tubes near the center but another four off to the right.  These include two oval tubes below the center line and above them another oval and a slanted oval tube.

This drawing is somewhat similar to one found in the Southern Railway Historical Association's Southern Railway Equipment Drawings and Photographs Volume 1, Book 1 - 40' Steel Box Cars, page 53.  Here is a brake arrangement / underframe drawing for CNO&TP's 40-ton steel auto cars, #272500-272999 (the same as the upcoming Cocoa Rail's shake-n-take project).  It shows a total of 12 floor tubes and labels them.

Near the center are six "5" dia. tubes", near the A end are two "5"x6" oval tubes" and around the body bolster at the B end are three more oval tubes and one "angle tube".

The diagram Bruce attached doesn't show the entire underframe.  Maybe the PRR cars had two more tubes at the A end like the Southern cars.  

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

Re: Photo: Transformer Load

John Barry
 

By sheet, are you referring to the large trapezoidal vertical that extends nearly to the railhead?  If so, that "sheet" is in fact one of the four fishbelly channels that make up the underframe of the Fe-16 class 50' XAR.  The 100 car class was re-built from double sheathed Fe-K/M cars in 1937.


John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Saturday, December 8, 2018, 5:05:47 PM EST, David Soderblom <drs@...> wrote:


Note the poor condition of the tarp, which appears to be canvas covered with a thick paint. Has the car been set out to check for damage?  The ATSF box coupled to it has a sheet of something under the door that would interfere with movement.

The Rutland car the other day had its pockets bolted to the side sill, not riveted, which seems odd.

In any case the shipper seems to have modified the car. I wonder what SP’s reaction was once they figured it out.



Operating session setup

Lester Breuer
 

Once a freight car goes into service on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company it becomes a part of railroad traffic that moves via an industry based card system.  It Is different from other systems as it has time built in.  I was asked to writeup my operating system by operators who think it simulates prototype operation well.  I have done my best to describe my card system in two parts: paperwork setup - Part 1 ( prior post ) and operation session setup- Part-2.   Part 2 photos and writeup of my system to move freight cars on my railroad are now  on my blog I started to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following:

Re: Photo: Transformer Load

Nelson Moyer
 

It’s not uncommon to see one or two heavy loads positioned over the trucks, especially on low tonnage rating flat cars. Transformers are heavy, hence the positioning over a truck.

Nelson Moyer

On Dec 8, 2018, at 4:08 PM, Rod Miller <rod@...> wrote:

Is it not very bad practice to place a heavy load at
one end of a car instead of centering it? Since the scene
may be a bad order track, improper positioning of the load
could be the cause for the car being there.

Of course there may have been a second transformer at
the other end of the car, but there is no evidence
(dunnage) that one had been there and was unloaded recently.

There must be a good explanation since it is difficult to
understand why that load was allowed to leave the factory.

--
Rod Miller
Handcraftsman
===
Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives, | O Scale/S Scale West/Narrow Gauge West
Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More | 2019 O Scale National Convention
http://www.rodmiller.com | 2019 Dates Are May 23 - 25
| http://www.oscalewest.com


Re: PENNSYLVANIA X31 BOXCAR QUESTION

brianleppert@att.net
 

On the brake arrangement diagram for X31b-c cars, Bruce counts six floor tubes, but I see the locations for ten.  There are six round tubes near the center but another four off to the right.  These include two oval tubes below the center line and above them another oval and a slanted oval tube.

This drawing is somewhat similar to one found in the Southern Railway Historical Association's Southern Railway Equipment Drawings and Photographs Volume 1, Book 1 - 40' Steel Box Cars, page 53.  Here is a brake arrangement / underframe drawing for CNO&TP's 40-ton steel auto cars, #272500-272999 (the same as the upcoming Cocoa Rail's shake-n-take project).  It shows a total of 12 floor tubes and labels them.

Near the center are six "5" dia. tubes", near the A end are two "5"x6" oval tubes" and around the body bolster at the B end are three more oval tubes and one "angle tube".

The diagram Bruce attached doesn't show the entire underframe.  Maybe the PRR cars had two more tubes at the A end like the Southern cars.  

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

Re: Photo: Transformer Load

Nelson Moyer
 

Only original and high definition downloads require a donation. Medium and lower defination do not require a donation.

Nelson Moyer

On Dec 8, 2018, at 3:49 PM, Tim O'Connor <@timboconnor> wrote:

Jim

Most web sites that try to "copy protect" images are actively deceiving their
clients or deceiving themselves. In any case the general rule is: if you can SEE
a full size image on your screen, then it can be downloaded intact. Some browsers
make this a lot easier than others. I use Firefox, and it's very easy.

Tim O'


If you try to download it from that site they want a "donation", but if you copy the caption, click on the link https://catalog.archives.gov/, and search for the caption you will find two photos. The second search result was this photo. The first is a closer shot that does give some more detail. From this I could verify that it is SP 4136x. This photo also has two ATSF Fe cars and shows the second floor of a Santa Fe freight house. I would guess Berkley or Oakland.

Jim Gates

--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 12/8/18, Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Transformer Load
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Date: Saturday, December 8, 2018, 3:00 PM

Tarped transformer on a flat car (Southern Pacific?):
https://picryl.com/media/interphase-transformer-from-westinghouse-loaded-on-train-flat-car-photograph-415445
Click on the photo to enlarge it and then scroll to enlarge it further.
Caption: "Interphase transformer from Westinghouse, loaded on train flat car. Photograph taken January 24,
1950."
Good detail of how the rods securing the load are routed through the stake pockets and held in place. These stake pockets
appear to be different from the others.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*



<sp_41356 40ft_flat F-50-5 RALSTON-1916 Vulcan trucks Westinghouse interphase-transformer-load 1-24-1950.jpg>

Re: Photo: Transformer Load

Rod Miller
 

Is it not very bad practice to place a heavy load at
one end of a car instead of centering it? Since the scene
may be a bad order track, improper positioning of the load
could be the cause for the car being there.

Of course there may have been a second transformer at
the other end of the car, but there is no evidence
(dunnage) that one had been there and was unloaded recently.

There must be a good explanation since it is difficult to
understand why that load was allowed to leave the factory.

--
Rod Miller
Handcraftsman
===
Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives, | O Scale/S Scale West/Narrow Gauge West
Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More | 2019 O Scale National Convention
http://www.rodmiller.com | 2019 Dates Are May 23 - 25
| http://www.oscalewest.com

Re: Boxcar: T&NO MW 3344

Scott
 

Nice shot of the ladders.

Scott McDonald