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Re: USRA Hoppers

Larry Smith
 

Lloyd

Here's the picture from the C&O book. This is the last paint scheme used on these cars.

Larry



From: Lloyd Keyser <lloydkeyser@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] USRA Hoppers

I have the July 1983 MM and that is the lettering that is shown in the assembly instructions. I'm looking for a latter lettering scheme. 

On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 12:02 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Robert

It figures!! That's one of the 3 or 4 Mainline Modelers I do not have! :-D

Tim


On 12/14/2018 4:18 AM, robertb@... wrote:
> Tim,
>
> There are two photos of the as built C&O hoppers on page 75 of the
> July 1983 issue of Mainline Modeller.
>
> Robert Bogie
>
> On 14/12/2018 4:07 pm, Tim O'Connor wrote:
>>
>> Lloyd, I have THREE books on C&O freight cars and have never seen a
>> photograph of one of those USRA 70 ton cars in any era! I have one of
>> those kits too - too terrified to try building it. :-)
>>
>> Tim O'Connor
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/11/2018 2:34 PM, lloydkeyser@... wrote:
>>> I  have finished building three of Westerfields USRA three bay
>>> hoppers #2001. I  have had these kits for 30 years and finally got
>>> them built. They were the old brittle resin kits and were the
>>> hardest kits I have put together. They are ready for decaling. All
>>> I  have to go by is the picture in the instructions. Does any one
>>> have a photo of one I could refere to for 1954?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>



--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*






Re: USRA Hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 

Lloyd, think of it this way - who's going to know if you get it wrong?

:-)


On 12/14/2018 2:02 PM, Lloyd Keyser wrote:
I have the July 1983 MM and that is the lettering that is shown in the assembly instructions. I'm looking for a latter lettering scheme. 

On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 12:02 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Robert

It figures!! That's one of the 3 or 4 Mainline Modelers I do not have! :-D

Tim


On 12/14/2018 4:18 AM, robertb@... wrote:
> Tim,
>
> There are two photos of the as built C&O hoppers on page 75 of the
> July 1983 issue of Mainline Modeller.
>
> Robert Bogie
>
> On 14/12/2018 4:07 pm, Tim O'Connor wrote:
>>
>> Lloyd, I have THREE books on C&O freight cars and have never seen a
>> photograph of one of those USRA 70 ton cars in any era! I have one of
>> those kits too - too terrified to try building it. :-)
>>
>> Tim O'Connor
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/11/2018 2:34 PM, lloydkeyser@... wrote:
>>> I  have finished building three of Westerfields USRA three bay
>>> hoppers #2001. I  have had these kits for 30 years and finally got
>>> them built. They were the old brittle resin kits and were the
>>> hardest kits I have put together. They are ready for decaling. All
>>> I  have to go by is the picture in the instructions. Does any one
>>> have a photo of one I could refere to for 1954?


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: USRA Hoppers

Lloyd Keyser
 

I have the July 1983 MM and that is the lettering that is shown in the assembly instructions. I'm looking for a latter lettering scheme. 


On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 12:02 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Robert

It figures!! That's one of the 3 or 4 Mainline Modelers I do not have! :-D

Tim


On 12/14/2018 4:18 AM, robertb@... wrote:
> Tim,
>
> There are two photos of the as built C&O hoppers on page 75 of the
> July 1983 issue of Mainline Modeller.
>
> Robert Bogie
>
> On 14/12/2018 4:07 pm, Tim O'Connor wrote:
>>
>> Lloyd, I have THREE books on C&O freight cars and have never seen a
>> photograph of one of those USRA 70 ton cars in any era! I have one of
>> those kits too - too terrified to try building it. :-)
>>
>> Tim O'Connor
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/11/2018 2:34 PM, lloydkeyser@... wrote:
>>> I  have finished building three of Westerfields USRA three bay
>>> hoppers #2001. I  have had these kits for 30 years and finally got
>>> them built. They were the old brittle resin kits and were the
>>> hardest kits I have put together. They are ready for decaling. All
>>> I  have to go by is the picture in the instructions. Does any one
>>> have a photo of one I could refere to for 1954?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>



--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*




Re: USRA Hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 

Robert

It figures!! That's one of the 3 or 4 Mainline Modelers I do not have! :-D

Tim

On 12/14/2018 4:18 AM, robertb@smartchat.net.au wrote:
Tim,

There are two photos of the as built C&O hoppers on page 75 of the July 1983 issue of Mainline Modeller.

Robert Bogie

On 14/12/2018 4:07 pm, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Lloyd, I have THREE books on C&O freight cars and have never seen a photograph of one of those USRA 70 ton cars in any era! I have one of those kits too - too terrified to try building it. :-)

Tim O'Connor



On 12/11/2018 2:34 PM, lloydkeyser@gmail.com wrote:
I have finished building three of Westerfields USRA three bay hoppers #2001. I have had these kits for 30 years and finally got them built. They were the old brittle resin kits and were the hardest kits I have put together. They are ready for decaling. All I have to go by is the picture in the instructions. Does any one have a photo of one I could refere to for 1954?

--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Modeling a B&O M-26D boxcar

Michael Gross
 

I've got an under RC X-29 waiting in line, and you provide a great deal of inspiration.    Great work!  

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: PRR freight car colors

John
 

Bruce,

Would Vallejo Amaranth red be an appropriate Pennsy FCC for an even earlier time period, say, for the 1900 - 1910 period? Or even into the late 19th century?

John Bopp
Farmington Hills, MI


Re: USRA Hoppers

Larry Smith
 

Ok guys, here's your information on these cars. The C&O had three groups of these cars. Series 71000-71399, Series 73000-76999, and Series 77000-78982. Photos of the cars in all three configurations, clamshell, standard tripple and panel side are in "Chesapeake and Ohio freight cars 1937-1946, by Carl Shaver, starting on Page 68. There is also a photo of the Hocking Valley cars with the clamshell center doors.  An interesting note on these cars was that 75 of them were rebuilt in 1938 into covered hoppersand were renumbered into the 500-574 series.  All of the hoppers were gone by 1954.

Larry Smith   



From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] USRA Hoppers


Lloyd, I have THREE books on C&O freight cars and have never seen a
photograph of one of those USRA 70 ton cars in any era! I have one of
those kits too - too terrified to try building it. :-)

Tim O'Connor



On 12/11/2018 2:34 PM, lloydkeyser@... wrote:
> I  have finished building three of Westerfields USRA three bay hoppers
> #2001. I  have had these kits for 30 years and finally got them built.
> They were the old brittle resin kits and were the hardest kits I have
> put together. They are ready for decaling. All I  have to go by is the
> picture in the instructions. Does any one have a photo of one I could
> refere to for 1954?



--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*






Re: Snow? No.

Rick Jesionowski
 

Reading these comments were comical, I thought that after learning to drive in the snow and ice in Ohio would stand me as a good winter driver, I was transferred to Alaska.  While living there I became accustomed to driving 70 mph on a sheet of ice, and I was still being passed by the locals.  Coming back to Ohio, I am now amazed how badly the locals drive in the rain, ice and snow.

Rick Jesionowski


Re: USRA Hoppers

Curt Fortenberry
 


Found it.  The only place I've found a shot was by accident, and it's in NKP Color V1 by Morning sun books, page 11.  The hopper across the middle of the page is a C&O triple with the dreadnaught ends.

Curt Fortenberry


Re: USRA Hoppers

Curt Fortenberry
 


I'll have to dig it out, but there is a shot of one with the dreadnaught end in one of the NKP color books (in a background).  Very weathered so I would assume roman lettering.

Curt Fortenberry


Re: Prototype Rails2019 Clinic Schedeule and Descriptions

Todd Sullivan
 

Bill, I agree.

In my way to Prototype Rail 2018 last January, we ran smack-dab into the blizzard that roared up the coast just before the event.  We took shelter near Charleston SC, and the next morning, I got to practice my ice rink driving skills as we navigated 2 lane country roads for about 3 hours.  Fortunately, I have a good car (VW GTI) and great tires (Conti ExtremeContact DWS 06), and they helped a lot.  We finally abandoned the country roads for the Interstate 95, which moved at near-glacial speeds (and a 1 hour dead stop northbound), after an accident blocked our route and my car slide sideways to a stop from 10mph.

Apparently, learning to drive in Central New York winters has its advantages.

Todd Sullivan.


Re: Prototype Rails2019 Clinic Schedule and Descriptions

Alexander Schneider Jr
 

Some 20 years ago I was driving from Boston to Chicago, having dropped our son off at college after Christmas break. I routed myself through southern Ontario to stop off at Sylvan Scale Models in Parkhill and exchange a kit part. I was driving a GMC “Jimmy” at the time.

 

When I left Syracuse it was snowing. By Rochester it was snowing harder. By Buffalo I was the only car on the expressway for long stretches. At the Niagara Falls bridge the lady from Canada Customs varied her usual greeting to say “Why do you want to come to Canada NOW?” (I said “In transit to Port Huron, then on to Chicago, overnight in St. Catherine’s.”)

 

Next morning I had the motorway almost to myself until near London, where I turned off to get to Sylvan. At the spot I expected I saw a man blowing snow off his driveway and asked if he could direct me to Clare Gilbert’s place. He said he was Clare and asked who I was, and I said I was the guy from Chicago. He expressed surprise that I got through, when his employees called in that they couldn’t come to work. J

 

On the other side, I wouldn’t dream of coming to Florida during hurricane season. It’s all what you’re used to.

 

Freight car content:  although Sylvan no longer shows the grain hoppers that first attracted my interest, they are having a limited rerun of their CN wood cabooses, kits #HO-1029 and 1030. See

https://www.sylvanscalemodels.com/default.htm

 

Alex Schneider

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 8:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Prototype Rails2019 Clinic Schedeule and Descriptions

 

That’s really kind of funny. The guy from Buffalo attends and the one from North Carolina gets snowed in.

 

Wish I could be there for the meet. Have fun.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 6:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Prototype Rails2019 Clinic Schedeule and Descriptions

 

Let's hope that Craig Zeni does not get snowed in again and finally gets to present his Resinating Clinic. VERY excited and anticipating Brian Carlson's "Rust Belt Boxcars 1950, 1957.

Bill Welch


Snow? No.

Mikebrock
 

Before terminating the thread about snow or lack thereof in FL [ hint: at a popular model RRing event called Prototype Rails it has never snowed although there was the Christmas Freeze of a few years ago ], I will mention a trip through the Tennessee mountains near Ozone, Tennessee in which we counted 11 tractor trailers off the highway, each apparently attempting to make its own way rather than follow highway 70. No telling where the drivers came from. BTW, this route was [ is? ] well known for the 3 trestles  on the old Tennessee Central which, of course, had rather distinct box cars. Now…back to frt cars.


Re: Prototype Rails2019 Clinic Schedule and Descriptions

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Bill,
 
That scenario is not uncommon here either.  I think we have more power failures, in my immediate area anyway, due to folks taking out poles than to trees or limbs taking down wires.
 
I have an inclined driveway.  I haven’t measured the grade, but it’s steep enough that I need to keep it bare to prevent our cars from sliding into the street.  On more than one occasion, and despite my conscientious efforts to keep it bare, I’ve the local PD at my door in the wee hours asking that I remove one car or another from the middle of the road. 
 
Unfortunately, it is just one more impediment to my finding my way to Cocoa Beach in January.  Still, hope springs eternal.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 6:57 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Prototype Rails2019 Clinic Schedeule and Descriptions
 
What "He-Man" Northern drivers fail to recognize about snow in the South is that with the milder temps in the South a snow event often begins as a rain event thus laying down a nice amount of water that becomes ice when the temp drops that then is covered by snow that creates challenging driving conditions. Then again maybe there are driving schools in the North that teach people how to drive a car on a Skating Rink.

Bill Welch


Re: Prototype Rails2019 Clinic Schedeule and Descriptions

Nelson Moyer
 

What Southerners fail to recognize is that Northern climes get ice storms in the fall and spring, sometimes depositing 1/4 inch or more of ice on all exposed surfaces. In 37 years, The University of Iowa was shut down one day due to weather. Kids up here learn to drive in all conditions without driving schools other than the optional driving course in high school. When I see TV clips of Southern drivers spinning their wheels, I shake my head in disbelief.

Nelson Moyer 

On Dec 14, 2018, at 5:57 AM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

What "He-Man" Northern drivers fail to recognize about snow in the South is that with the milder temps in the South a snow event often begins as a rain event thus laying down a nice amount of water that becomes ice when the temp drops that then is covered by snow that creates challenging driving conditions. Then again maybe there are driving schools in the North that teach people how to drive a car on a Skating Rink.

Bill Welch


Re: M-26s and X-29s: door h/w

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 04:50 PM, David Soderblom wrote:
The M-26 doors were clearly suspended at their tops, with just guides at the bottom. Later steam-era doors have a lever at door bottom that rotates through about 90 degrees, suggestive of it lifting the door up to roll from the bottom. Is that true?
Well, it's hard to tell what Bill is modeling, because his doors don't have any top supported door hardware, and you are correct, you need rollers somewhere to move that much weight. The earlier systems, Camel being the most common, had brackets with rollers at the top of the door, and only needed lower guides to keep the door against the car side; these guides don't support any weight.

There was a variant, made by Union Metal Products, that had rollers in the lower guides that were mounted to the car; this may be what Bill's prototype actually had. This hardware only needed a track to contain the top of the door; all the weight was supported at the bottom.

All of these early door roller systems had the disadvantage that if the door wasn't latched closed, it was free to roll back and forth as train slack ran in and out, possibly causing damage to the door. Camel's half-hearted solution was the Camel door starter, a pivoted hook that could be used to cam the door open the initial few inches, but also served as a hook to automatically secure the door if it should happen to slam shut during its travels.

The better solution were the various "roller lift mechanisms" that became popular during the thirties. These had one or more rollers mounted on pivoted levers that allowed the door to sit solidly on the track where it was not likely to move. Pushing the lever to move the door raised it slightly on one or more rollers and allowed it to move.
Either way, a boxcar door must have been 500 pounds or more. Did they slide with just bare metal-on metal? Were there rollers? If there were rollers, did anyone *ever* squirt some fresh grease in the bearings? I can’t see from photos where there might have been lube points, nor streaks from the lube.
Lube? Nope. I don't recall the hardware even having grease fittings. Like most things railroad, steel shafts running in cast iron were considered adequate bearings for the few revolutions the rollers would have to turn during their service lives.

Dennis Storzek


Re: PRR freight car colors

Bruce Smith
 

Peter,

I’ll second Amaranth Red as an early PRR freight car color. I’ve played around with it a bit for a 1930s FCC and thought it was pretty close and with a little brown added makes a pretty nice 1940s FCC. I struggled with the formulation when I played with it a few years back because it was sooooo thick, but thinning with distilled water seems to work pretty well. Vallejo now markets Vallejo Air, which is prethinned for airbrushing.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Dec 14, 2018, at 5:54 AM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

Greetings Peter!

I model 1926 and use an oranger shade of PRR Freight Car Color. My base is Vallejo Model Color Amaranth Red. The Pennsy GS gon in this blog post is painted with this shade. For a slightly different shade, I add a few drops of Vallejo Model Color Scarlet. The Pennsy X26 in the blog post was painted with this mix.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2016/10/14/masking-tape-as-a-weathering-tool/


I've been accused of blinding the eyes of some modelers with this shade. After weathering I think it looks pretty good for a Pre-Depression Era Pennsy color.

YMMV.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On December 14, 2018 at 3:21 AM "peteraue via Groups.Io" <peteraue@...> wrote:

I am very uncertain about the appropriate color for my PRR freight car kits and for the color patches underneath reweigh and repacking stencils applied in PRR shops. Several members of this group contributed to the table on this webpage  http://jbritton.pennsyrr.com/index.php/tpm/121-paints-to-match-prr-paints, but unfortunately it is somewhat outdated. Floquil and Polyscale are long gone and when I search for a color sample by using the Munsell numbers, the color patch doesn't look close to what I would expect. I own several painted and lettered Red Caboose X29 kits and wonder if the color of these kits is accurate. It is somewhat similar to the old Floquil Zinc Chromate color. I model 1950 so I am looking for the appropriate colors for the time between the very late 30s and mid 1950. Any help would be appreciated.
Peter Aue


Re: Prototype Rails2019 Clinic Schedeule and Descriptions

Bill Welch
 

What "He-Man" Northern drivers fail to recognize about snow in the South is that with the milder temps in the South a snow event often begins as a rain event thus laying down a nice amount of water that becomes ice when the temp drops that then is covered by snow that creates challenging driving conditions. Then again maybe there are driving schools in the North that teach people how to drive a car on a Skating Rink.

Bill Welch


Re: PRR freight car colors

Eric Hansmann
 

Greetings Peter!

I model 1926 and use an oranger shade of PRR Freight Car Color. My base is Vallejo Model Color Amaranth Red. The Pennsy GS gon in this blog post is painted with this shade. For a slightly different shade, I add a few drops of Vallejo Model Color Scarlet. The Pennsy X26 in the blog post was painted with this mix.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2016/10/14/masking-tape-as-a-weathering-tool/


I've been accused of blinding the eyes of some modelers with this shade. After weathering I think it looks pretty good for a Pre-Depression Era Pennsy color.

YMMV.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On December 14, 2018 at 3:21 AM "peteraue via Groups.Io" <peteraue@...> wrote:

I am very uncertain about the appropriate color for my PRR freight car kits and for the color patches underneath reweigh and repacking stencils applied in PRR shops. Several members of this group contributed to the table on this webpage  http://jbritton.pennsyrr.com/index.php/tpm/121-paints-to-match-prr-paints, but unfortunately it is somewhat outdated. Floquil and Polyscale are long gone and when I search for a color sample by using the Munsell numbers, the color patch doesn't look close to what I would expect. I own several painted and lettered Red Caboose X29 kits and wonder if the color of these kits is accurate. It is somewhat similar to the old Floquil Zinc Chromate color. I model 1950 so I am looking for the appropriate colors for the time between the very late 30s and mid 1950. Any help would be appreciated.
Peter Aue




PRR freight car colors

peteraue
 

I am very uncertain about the appropriate color for my PRR freight car kits and for the color patches underneath reweigh and repacking stencils applied in PRR shops. Several members of this group contributed to the table on this webpage  http://jbritton.pennsyrr.com/index.php/tpm/121-paints-to-match-prr-paints, but unfortunately it is somewhat outdated. Floquil and Polyscale are long gone and when I search for a color sample by using the Munsell numbers, the color patch doesn't look close to what I would expect. I own several painted and lettered Red Caboose X29 kits and wonder if the color of these kits is accurate. It is somewhat similar to the old Floquil Zinc Chromate color. I model 1950 so I am looking for the appropriate colors for the time between the very late 30s and mid 1950. Any help would be appreciated.
Peter Aue

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