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Re: Hollow Bored Axles

Rick Bess
 

To save on weight probably.

 

 

 

 


Re: Hollow Bored Axles

Richard Townsend
 

A contribution to lowering the weight of the car, to go along with the aluminum sides.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2018 11:30 am
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Hollow Bored Axles

This hopper was constructed with aluminum sheets:
A stencil on the car reads "Hollow Bored Axles Standard To Car. If Replaced With Solid Axles Notify Owners At Once."
What is the story on hollow bored axles?
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Prototype Rails2019 Clinic Schedeule and Descriptions

Jared Harper
 

When I was a kid in Des Moines school (I am now 74.)was never cancelled because of the weather.  I walked to school many times when the temperature was below zero.  What's changed?  Have we just gotten wimpy?  When the weather conditions are bad you do have to dress for it.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Hollow Bored Axles

Jared Harper
 

Are you going to tell us how to model tubular axles?

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Hollow Bored Axles

Craig Zeni
 

On Dec 14, 2018, at 2:38 PM, main@RealSTMFC.groups.io wrote:

5a. Hollow Bored Axles
From: Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@verizon.net>
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 14:29:51 EST

This hopper was constructed with aluminum sheets:

http://www.burlingtonroute.org/BRHS/library/photo_collections/viewer.php?library=Historical&folder=Rolling_Stock-freight&image=34 (http://www.burlingtonroute.org/BRHS/library/photo_collections/viewer.php?library=Historical&folder=Rolling_Stock-freight&image=34 )

A stencil on the car reads "Hollow Bored Axles Standard To Car. If Replaced With Solid Axles Notify Owners At Once."

What is the story on hollow bored axles?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet , CA
According to Bob Karig's "Coal Cars: The First 300 Years" the hollow axles were an effort to reduce unsprung weight as they weighed 30% less than solid axles. Trials were run in 1941 and 1946 AAR rules "standard tubular axles" were permitted as a standard alternate to solid axles. In 1961 the alternate was removed and tubular axles were prohibited on interchange cars 1 Jan 62.

Craig Zeni
Cary NC


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR G24 scrap car questions

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Jim;

I suspect that WAS their last job. Throughout the fifties, PRR was scrapping G24 by the dozens, and only a handful were still running. That service was one of the most gentle you could imagine for a gon, and you were fortunate to see some of the last survivors. FWIW, I never saw the correspondence on this, so it never made it into the book.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of James E Kubanick
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 6:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR G24 scrap car questions

I am surprised to see that the OER tracing shows only six of these cars remaining in 1958. I worked at the HJ Heinz plant in Pittsburgh in 1957-58 and these cars would show up on one of our B&O sidings to be loaded with spent tin plate sheets that had been run trough our stamping machines to form glassware closures (bottle and jar lids). This must have been one of their final assignments,


Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV


On Wednesday, December 12, 2018, 4:47:14 PM EST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:






you have a keen eye for the obvious



On 12/12/2018 2:59 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:


Tim,

While the car was BUILT in 1919, the presence of a NEW stencil from 1919 (being the weight stencil and not the built stencil, which would have been towards the right end of the car side) is clearly incorrect as the car would have been reweighed repeatedly before receiving steel sides and likely after receiving steel sides and before getting the side extensions. Technically, the model depicted in the photo does not have ANY “BUILT” stencil.

Regards

Bruce




Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."





On Dec 12, 2018, at 1:34 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net <mailto:timboconnor@comcast.net> > wrote:

Johannes

The build date is correct, but most had been rebuilt by 1953 with steel sheathing replacing the wood. You should try to buy the 1953 ORER reprint from the NMRA! The PRR listings actually show the car classes!!


On 12/12/2018 5:58 AM, vapeurchapelon wrote:


Hello friends,

I consider buying this PRR G24 scrap gondola:

Blockedhttps://www.ebay.de/itm/Precision-Scale-Company-16014-1-HO-BRASS-PRR-G-24-Gondola-Painted-EX-Box/332941133908?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1431.l2649

But of course I have some questions.
1. How many of these cars were in existence?
2. What's the appropriate time frame? Model has AB brakes, but a NEW date 1919 which obviously is very wrong.
3. Were these cars used in interchange service, or were they restricted to PRR homerails, or even to some specific regions/ companies?

Many thanks and best regards

Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953





--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*








--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Hollow Bored Axles

Bob Chaparro
 

This hopper was constructed with aluminum sheets:

http://www.burlingtonroute.org/BRHS/library/photo_collections/viewer.php?library=Historical&folder=Rolling_Stock-freight&image=34

A stencil on the car reads "Hollow Bored Axles Standard To Car. If Replaced With Solid Axles Notify Owners At Once."

What is the story on hollow bored axles?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: USRA Hoppers

Larry Smith
 

Lloyd

Here's the picture from the C&O book. This is the last paint scheme used on these cars.

Larry



From: Lloyd Keyser <lloydkeyser@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] USRA Hoppers

I have the July 1983 MM and that is the lettering that is shown in the assembly instructions. I'm looking for a latter lettering scheme. 

On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 12:02 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Robert

It figures!! That's one of the 3 or 4 Mainline Modelers I do not have! :-D

Tim


On 12/14/2018 4:18 AM, robertb@... wrote:
> Tim,
>
> There are two photos of the as built C&O hoppers on page 75 of the
> July 1983 issue of Mainline Modeller.
>
> Robert Bogie
>
> On 14/12/2018 4:07 pm, Tim O'Connor wrote:
>>
>> Lloyd, I have THREE books on C&O freight cars and have never seen a
>> photograph of one of those USRA 70 ton cars in any era! I have one of
>> those kits too - too terrified to try building it. :-)
>>
>> Tim O'Connor
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/11/2018 2:34 PM, lloydkeyser@... wrote:
>>> I  have finished building three of Westerfields USRA three bay
>>> hoppers #2001. I  have had these kits for 30 years and finally got
>>> them built. They were the old brittle resin kits and were the
>>> hardest kits I have put together. They are ready for decaling. All
>>> I  have to go by is the picture in the instructions. Does any one
>>> have a photo of one I could refere to for 1954?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>



--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*






Re: USRA Hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 

Lloyd, think of it this way - who's going to know if you get it wrong?

:-)


On 12/14/2018 2:02 PM, Lloyd Keyser wrote:
I have the July 1983 MM and that is the lettering that is shown in the assembly instructions. I'm looking for a latter lettering scheme. 

On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 12:02 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Robert

It figures!! That's one of the 3 or 4 Mainline Modelers I do not have! :-D

Tim


On 12/14/2018 4:18 AM, robertb@... wrote:
> Tim,
>
> There are two photos of the as built C&O hoppers on page 75 of the
> July 1983 issue of Mainline Modeller.
>
> Robert Bogie
>
> On 14/12/2018 4:07 pm, Tim O'Connor wrote:
>>
>> Lloyd, I have THREE books on C&O freight cars and have never seen a
>> photograph of one of those USRA 70 ton cars in any era! I have one of
>> those kits too - too terrified to try building it. :-)
>>
>> Tim O'Connor
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/11/2018 2:34 PM, lloydkeyser@... wrote:
>>> I  have finished building three of Westerfields USRA three bay
>>> hoppers #2001. I  have had these kits for 30 years and finally got
>>> them built. They were the old brittle resin kits and were the
>>> hardest kits I have put together. They are ready for decaling. All
>>> I  have to go by is the picture in the instructions. Does any one
>>> have a photo of one I could refere to for 1954?


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: USRA Hoppers

Lloyd Keyser
 

I have the July 1983 MM and that is the lettering that is shown in the assembly instructions. I'm looking for a latter lettering scheme. 


On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 12:02 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Robert

It figures!! That's one of the 3 or 4 Mainline Modelers I do not have! :-D

Tim


On 12/14/2018 4:18 AM, robertb@... wrote:
> Tim,
>
> There are two photos of the as built C&O hoppers on page 75 of the
> July 1983 issue of Mainline Modeller.
>
> Robert Bogie
>
> On 14/12/2018 4:07 pm, Tim O'Connor wrote:
>>
>> Lloyd, I have THREE books on C&O freight cars and have never seen a
>> photograph of one of those USRA 70 ton cars in any era! I have one of
>> those kits too - too terrified to try building it. :-)
>>
>> Tim O'Connor
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/11/2018 2:34 PM, lloydkeyser@... wrote:
>>> I  have finished building three of Westerfields USRA three bay
>>> hoppers #2001. I  have had these kits for 30 years and finally got
>>> them built. They were the old brittle resin kits and were the
>>> hardest kits I have put together. They are ready for decaling. All
>>> I  have to go by is the picture in the instructions. Does any one
>>> have a photo of one I could refere to for 1954?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>



--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*




Re: USRA Hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 

Robert

It figures!! That's one of the 3 or 4 Mainline Modelers I do not have! :-D

Tim

On 12/14/2018 4:18 AM, robertb@smartchat.net.au wrote:
Tim,

There are two photos of the as built C&O hoppers on page 75 of the July 1983 issue of Mainline Modeller.

Robert Bogie

On 14/12/2018 4:07 pm, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Lloyd, I have THREE books on C&O freight cars and have never seen a photograph of one of those USRA 70 ton cars in any era! I have one of those kits too - too terrified to try building it. :-)

Tim O'Connor



On 12/11/2018 2:34 PM, lloydkeyser@gmail.com wrote:
I have finished building three of Westerfields USRA three bay hoppers #2001. I have had these kits for 30 years and finally got them built. They were the old brittle resin kits and were the hardest kits I have put together. They are ready for decaling. All I have to go by is the picture in the instructions. Does any one have a photo of one I could refere to for 1954?

--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Modeling a B&O M-26D boxcar

Michael Gross
 

I've got an under RC X-29 waiting in line, and you provide a great deal of inspiration.    Great work!  

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: PRR freight car colors

John
 

Bruce,

Would Vallejo Amaranth red be an appropriate Pennsy FCC for an even earlier time period, say, for the 1900 - 1910 period? Or even into the late 19th century?

John Bopp
Farmington Hills, MI


Re: USRA Hoppers

Larry Smith
 

Ok guys, here's your information on these cars. The C&O had three groups of these cars. Series 71000-71399, Series 73000-76999, and Series 77000-78982. Photos of the cars in all three configurations, clamshell, standard tripple and panel side are in "Chesapeake and Ohio freight cars 1937-1946, by Carl Shaver, starting on Page 68. There is also a photo of the Hocking Valley cars with the clamshell center doors.  An interesting note on these cars was that 75 of them were rebuilt in 1938 into covered hoppersand were renumbered into the 500-574 series.  All of the hoppers were gone by 1954.

Larry Smith   



From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] USRA Hoppers


Lloyd, I have THREE books on C&O freight cars and have never seen a
photograph of one of those USRA 70 ton cars in any era! I have one of
those kits too - too terrified to try building it. :-)

Tim O'Connor



On 12/11/2018 2:34 PM, lloydkeyser@... wrote:
> I  have finished building three of Westerfields USRA three bay hoppers
> #2001. I  have had these kits for 30 years and finally got them built.
> They were the old brittle resin kits and were the hardest kits I have
> put together. They are ready for decaling. All I  have to go by is the
> picture in the instructions. Does any one have a photo of one I could
> refere to for 1954?



--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*






Re: Snow? No.

Rick Jesionowski
 

Reading these comments were comical, I thought that after learning to drive in the snow and ice in Ohio would stand me as a good winter driver, I was transferred to Alaska.  While living there I became accustomed to driving 70 mph on a sheet of ice, and I was still being passed by the locals.  Coming back to Ohio, I am now amazed how badly the locals drive in the rain, ice and snow.

Rick Jesionowski


Re: USRA Hoppers

Curt Fortenberry
 


Found it.  The only place I've found a shot was by accident, and it's in NKP Color V1 by Morning sun books, page 11.  The hopper across the middle of the page is a C&O triple with the dreadnaught ends.

Curt Fortenberry


Re: USRA Hoppers

Curt Fortenberry
 


I'll have to dig it out, but there is a shot of one with the dreadnaught end in one of the NKP color books (in a background).  Very weathered so I would assume roman lettering.

Curt Fortenberry


Re: Prototype Rails2019 Clinic Schedeule and Descriptions

Todd Sullivan
 

Bill, I agree.

In my way to Prototype Rail 2018 last January, we ran smack-dab into the blizzard that roared up the coast just before the event.  We took shelter near Charleston SC, and the next morning, I got to practice my ice rink driving skills as we navigated 2 lane country roads for about 3 hours.  Fortunately, I have a good car (VW GTI) and great tires (Conti ExtremeContact DWS 06), and they helped a lot.  We finally abandoned the country roads for the Interstate 95, which moved at near-glacial speeds (and a 1 hour dead stop northbound), after an accident blocked our route and my car slide sideways to a stop from 10mph.

Apparently, learning to drive in Central New York winters has its advantages.

Todd Sullivan.


Re: Prototype Rails2019 Clinic Schedule and Descriptions

Alexander Schneider Jr
 

Some 20 years ago I was driving from Boston to Chicago, having dropped our son off at college after Christmas break. I routed myself through southern Ontario to stop off at Sylvan Scale Models in Parkhill and exchange a kit part. I was driving a GMC “Jimmy” at the time.

 

When I left Syracuse it was snowing. By Rochester it was snowing harder. By Buffalo I was the only car on the expressway for long stretches. At the Niagara Falls bridge the lady from Canada Customs varied her usual greeting to say “Why do you want to come to Canada NOW?” (I said “In transit to Port Huron, then on to Chicago, overnight in St. Catherine’s.”)

 

Next morning I had the motorway almost to myself until near London, where I turned off to get to Sylvan. At the spot I expected I saw a man blowing snow off his driveway and asked if he could direct me to Clare Gilbert’s place. He said he was Clare and asked who I was, and I said I was the guy from Chicago. He expressed surprise that I got through, when his employees called in that they couldn’t come to work. J

 

On the other side, I wouldn’t dream of coming to Florida during hurricane season. It’s all what you’re used to.

 

Freight car content:  although Sylvan no longer shows the grain hoppers that first attracted my interest, they are having a limited rerun of their CN wood cabooses, kits #HO-1029 and 1030. See

https://www.sylvanscalemodels.com/default.htm

 

Alex Schneider

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 8:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Prototype Rails2019 Clinic Schedeule and Descriptions

 

That’s really kind of funny. The guy from Buffalo attends and the one from North Carolina gets snowed in.

 

Wish I could be there for the meet. Have fun.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 6:24 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Prototype Rails2019 Clinic Schedeule and Descriptions

 

Let's hope that Craig Zeni does not get snowed in again and finally gets to present his Resinating Clinic. VERY excited and anticipating Brian Carlson's "Rust Belt Boxcars 1950, 1957.

Bill Welch


Snow? No.

Mikebrock
 

Before terminating the thread about snow or lack thereof in FL [ hint: at a popular model RRing event called Prototype Rails it has never snowed although there was the Christmas Freeze of a few years ago ], I will mention a trip through the Tennessee mountains near Ozone, Tennessee in which we counted 11 tractor trailers off the highway, each apparently attempting to make its own way rather than follow highway 70. No telling where the drivers came from. BTW, this route was [ is? ] well known for the 3 trestles  on the old Tennessee Central which, of course, had rather distinct box cars. Now…back to frt cars.

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