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Re: Tichy USRA clone kit

Dennis Storzek
 

The C&NW had a bunch, but I believe they were all 3" lower; 8'-9" IH rather than the 9'-0" of the originals.

Dennis Storzek


Tichy USRA clone kit

Clark Propst
 

I've got a Tichy CP USRA Clone kit. The kit has both 7/8 and the USRA used end. Was there other RRs besides CP that had USRA SS "like' cars wit 7/8 Murphy ends?

Thanks!
Clark Propst


Re: The curious case of NP box car colors in the 50's

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 07:59 PM, Robert Heninger wrote:
That isn't a 30 year old paint job, though.
I really hate to comment on railroad specific practice of roads I'm not familiar with, but it looks like no one is going to come up with the definitive answer, so I will say this; during the fifties the railroad industry as a whole moved from organic pigment paints to synthetics, and the standard colors changed at that time. My favorite road Soo Line made the change about 1957, the oxide red becoming a darker, browner color, and I believe the mighty PRR made the change at about the same time. It wouldn't surprise me if the NP did also, but it would surprise me if it happened before the later half of the decade. 

Dennis Storzek


Re: PRR freight car colors

Bruce Smith
 

John,

Well.... I have never seen a verified paint sample from that era to compare to, so I could not say. The Railroad Museum of Pa has painted some early freight cars in "original colors" and these do seem to resemble the orange red of 1930s FCC, so lacking further information, I would consider it a good place to start ;)

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR freight car colors

Bruce,

Would Vallejo Amaranth red be an appropriate Pennsy FCC for an even earlier time period, say, for the 1900 - 1910 period? Or even into the late 19th century?

John Bopp
Farmington Hills, MI


Re: Brake question for IC wood caboose

Alexander Schneider Jr
 

Bruce, what I wrote was misleading. What I meant was that the brake wheels will be horizontal,  on vertical shafts, rather than the mechanism shown on the IC caboose at IRM.

Alex Schneider

On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 9:16 PM, Bruce Smith
<smithbf@...> wrote:

​Alex,


Um.. K brake has nothing to do with the complexity of the rigging. You still need to reverse the action of the wheel.​ I've attached a photo ops a PRR N5 underbody (model) that I based on the PRR drawing. On the PRR, these were originally equipped with KD brakes and when upgraded to AB, the simply changed the reservoir and added the AB valve.


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Brake question for IC wood caboose
 

Thanks, Dennis and Bruce. Since I’m building this caboose for a diorama where only major brake components can be seen, the critical point is that I need two brake wheels. And since it’s back in the K brake era, I won’t have the elaborate mechanisms shown on the IRM photos.

 

Alex Schneider

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Brake question for IC wood caboose

 

On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 02:33 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:

Typically, the 2nd wheel pulls the far end of a 2nd lever that then pulls the brake lever in the same direction as the other wheel.

Not sure that's real clear, so let me try. Most cabeese I'm familiar with have a THIRD brake lever pivoted at its midpoint on a bracket on the center sill somewhere. the handbrake rod that normally ends with a chain connecting to the the brake cylinder push rod connects with a chain to one end of this lever, with another length of chain connecting to the push rod. The rod from the other hand brake connects to the other end of this lever. Winding up either (or both) hand brakes pulls the push rod out and sets the brakes; both hand brakes must be released to release the brakes.

Here are some photos of IC 9792 in the collection at IRM, one shows the hand brake at each end: http://www5.irm.org/gallery/IC9792

Dennis Storzek


Re: The curious case of NP box car colors in the 50's

Robert Heninger
 

That isn't a 30 year old paint job, though. The "Northern Pacific Railway" lettering in the monad is late 50s-60s era, and the 6 panel Superior door isn't original. Note the lack of a running board and the end support on the roof. I'd bet this car was refurbished and rebuilt by the NP sometime in the 1960s (based off of the lack of running board supports - when the GN, NP, or Q removed running boards, they usually removed the supports as well - BN usually didn't bother removing the supports), so the paint is probably 10-15 years old.

Regards,

Bob Heninger
Minot, ND


Re: USRA Hoppers

Lloyd Keyser
 

Thank you Don. I  have that issue and the pictures are good.
Did these cars in later years receive the CO for progress herald? 

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 10:47 PM ford.donald77 via Groups.Io <ford.donald77=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Group
Mainline Modeler July 1983 page 75 has photo of #70498, and #71298 (as built)
Mainline Modeler July 2004 page 38-39 photo of 71298 with lettering diagram
Don Ford
Cameron MO


Re: Brake question for IC wood caboose

Bruce Smith
 

​Alex,


Um.. K brake has nothing to do with the complexity of the rigging. You still need to reverse the action of the wheel.​ I've attached a photo ops a PRR N5 underbody (model) that I based on the PRR drawing. On the PRR, these were originally equipped with KD brakes and when upgraded to AB, the simply changed the reservoir and added the AB valve.


Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Brake question for IC wood caboose
 

Thanks, Dennis and Bruce. Since I’m building this caboose for a diorama where only major brake components can be seen, the critical point is that I need two brake wheels. And since it’s back in the K brake era, I won’t have the elaborate mechanisms shown on the IRM photos.

 

Alex Schneider

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Brake question for IC wood caboose

 

On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 02:33 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:

Typically, the 2nd wheel pulls the far end of a 2nd lever that then pulls the brake lever in the same direction as the other wheel.

Not sure that's real clear, so let me try. Most cabeese I'm familiar with have a THIRD brake lever pivoted at its midpoint on a bracket on the center sill somewhere. the handbrake rod that normally ends with a chain connecting to the the brake cylinder push rod connects with a chain to one end of this lever, with another length of chain connecting to the push rod. The rod from the other hand brake connects to the other end of this lever. Winding up either (or both) hand brakes pulls the push rod out and sets the brakes; both hand brakes must be released to release the brakes.

Here are some photos of IC 9792 in the collection at IRM, one shows the hand brake at each end: http://www5.irm.org/gallery/IC9792

Dennis Storzek


Re: More National Archives pics

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Dec 9, 2018, at 4:06 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:

WOW! A concrete railroad car! https://catalog.archives.gov/OpaAPI/media/45502197/content/stillpix/165-ww/Box283/FolderA/165-WW-283A-099.jpg
Concrete railroad car, concrete ship, big deal. This'n is adjacent to the ESPEE Santa Cruz branch in Aptos, Ca: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Palo_Alto>. The cement which went into the concrete which made the ship came from Davenport, CA, at the end of the Santa Cruz line. Well through the 1990s several triple hoppers of mainly Wasatch and Rocky Mountain went in, and a similar number of covered hoppers left loaded with cement. The power was typically a troika of four-axle Diseasels in the latter days.
--
"I think we are pole vaulting over mouse manure here."
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Re: The curious case of NP box car colors in the 50's

Mikebrock
 

Hi, Garth,

I don’t think so. The darker colored cars in the photos

are distinct but still a shade of “box car red”. OTOH, 30 yrs of weathering is..well..30 yrs of weathering.

 

Mike Brock

 

Mike

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] The curious case of NP box car colors in the 50's

 

Mike,

Do you mean dark like the attached photo? Taken about 1975 in South Los Angeles. Count on 30 years of weathering though.


That's spilled dog food on the ground that the forklift operator was going to be cleaning up.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 12/16/18 4:01 PM, Mikebrock wrote:

Guys,

There are three photos in 2 books that indicate that NP changed the paint color on their box cars at some point during the '50's.

First, on pg 27 of Northern Pacific Color Pictorial Volume 1,  is a photo showing at least 7 NP box cars. Two are much darker than the others.,  In the book The Northern Pacific by Dale Sanders, pg 26 shows two NP box cars, one of which is lighter than the other. On pg 151 are two NP box cars, one lighter than the other. Apparently, NP changed the color of its box cars in the 50's and later. These photos were taken in the '50's.

When I built the SS model of the radial roof DS, I painted it in the lighter shade. The Rapido car is a bit darker. Note that I am comparing two cars in the same photo, I do not claim anything about the NP paint color in general.

Mike Brock

 

 


Re: Brake question for IC wood caboose

Alexander Schneider Jr
 

Thanks, Dennis and Bruce. Since I’m building this caboose for a diorama where only major brake components can be seen, the critical point is that I need two brake wheels. And since it’s back in the K brake era, I won’t have the elaborate mechanisms shown on the IRM photos.

 

Alex Schneider

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Brake question for IC wood caboose

 

On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 02:33 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:

Typically, the 2nd wheel pulls the far end of a 2nd lever that then pulls the brake lever in the same direction as the other wheel.

Not sure that's real clear, so let me try. Most cabeese I'm familiar with have a THIRD brake lever pivoted at its midpoint on a bracket on the center sill somewhere. the handbrake rod that normally ends with a chain connecting to the the brake cylinder push rod connects with a chain to one end of this lever, with another length of chain connecting to the push rod. The rod from the other hand brake connects to the other end of this lever. Winding up either (or both) hand brakes pulls the push rod out and sets the brakes; both hand brakes must be released to release the brakes.

Here are some photos of IC 9792 in the collection at IRM, one shows the hand brake at each end: http://www5.irm.org/gallery/IC9792

Dennis Storzek


Re: Brake question for IC wood caboose

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 02:33 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:

Typically, the 2nd wheel pulls the far end of a 2nd lever that then pulls the brake lever in the same direction as the other wheel.

Not sure that's real clear, so let me try. Most cabeese I'm familiar with have a THIRD brake lever pivoted at its midpoint on a bracket on the center sill somewhere. the handbrake rod that normally ends with a chain connecting to the the brake cylinder push rod connects with a chain to one end of this lever, with another length of chain connecting to the push rod. The rod from the other hand brake connects to the other end of this lever. Winding up either (or both) hand brakes pulls the push rod out and sets the brakes; both hand brakes must be released to release the brakes.

Here are some photos of IC 9792 in the collection at IRM, one shows the hand brake at each end: http://www5.irm.org/gallery/IC9792

Dennis Storzek


Re: The curious case of NP box car colors in the 50's

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Mike,

Do you mean dark like the attached photo? Taken about 1975 in South Los Angeles. Count on 30 years of weathering though.


That's spilled dog food on the ground that the forklift operator was going to be cleaning up.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 12/16/18 4:01 PM, Mikebrock wrote:

Guys,

There are three photos in 2 books that indicate that NP changed the paint color on their box cars at some point during the '50's.

First, on pg 27 of Northern Pacific Color Pictorial Volume 1,  is a photo showing at least 7 NP box cars. Two are much darker than the others.,  In the book The Northern Pacific by Dale Sanders, pg 26 shows two NP box cars, one of which is lighter than the other. On pg 151 are two NP box cars, one lighter than the other. Apparently, NP changed the color of its box cars in the 50's and later. These photos were taken in the '50's.

When I built the SS model of the radial roof DS, I painted it in the lighter shade. The Rapido car is a bit darker. Note that I am comparing two cars in the same photo, I do not claim anything about the NP paint color in general.

Mike Brock

 



Re: Brake question for IC wood caboose

Bruce Smith
 

​Alex,


Typically, the 2nd wheel pulls the far end of a 2nd lever that then pulls the brake lever in the same direction as the other wheel.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL



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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Brake question for IC wood caboose
 

I am finishing up an American Model Builders model of an IC side door caboose. My basic question is whether it should have one brake wheel, or two, one on each end platform. I haven’t found a photo sufficiently “straight on” to be sure. My guess is, both ends, based on brake wheels visible on the cupola end of caboose 9255 and the non-cupola end of 9094, both on the http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/dr403.htm site.

 

However, I am also curious how a second brake wheel is connected. A single brake wheel is straightforward:  turning the brake wheel pulls a chain, which pulls a rod attached to a lever in the same direction as the brake cylinder pushes. A reference to a Car Builder Cyclopedia or other published underbody diagram would be very helpful.

 

Thanks.

 

Alex Schneider


Brake question for IC wood caboose

Alexander Schneider Jr
 

I am finishing up an American Model Builders model of an IC side door caboose. My basic question is whether it should have one brake wheel, or two, one on each end platform. I haven’t found a photo sufficiently “straight on” to be sure. My guess is, both ends, based on brake wheels visible on the cupola end of caboose 9255 and the non-cupola end of 9094, both on the http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/dr403.htm site.

 

However, I am also curious how a second brake wheel is connected. A single brake wheel is straightforward:  turning the brake wheel pulls a chain, which pulls a rod attached to a lever in the same direction as the brake cylinder pushes. A reference to a Car Builder Cyclopedia or other published underbody diagram would be very helpful.

 

Thanks.

 

Alex Schneider


The curious case of NP box car colors in the 50's

Mikebrock
 

Guys,

There are three photos in 2 books that indicate that NP changed the paint color on their box cars at some point during the '50's.

First, on pg 27 of Northern Pacific Color Pictorial Volume 1,  is a photo showing at least 7 NP box cars. Two are much darker than the others.,  In the book The Northern Pacific by Dale Sanders, pg 26 shows two NP box cars, one of which is lighter than the other. On pg 151 are two NP box cars, one lighter than the other. Apparently, NP changed the color of its box cars in the 50's and later. These photos were taken in the '50's.

When I built the SS model of the radial roof DS, I painted it in the lighter shade. The Rapido car is a bit darker. Note that I am comparing two cars in the same photo, I do not claim anything about the NP paint color in general.

Mike Brock

 


Re: CN 8-hatch reefer [was CP 8 Hatch reefer]

Andy Laurent
 

Black Cat decals are very nice. The film is very thin, and printing is very sharp (possibly the best out there). I have used their Texaco tank car, MILW twin hopper, GTW auto box, and SLSF rebuilt USRA boxcar sets.

I have found that they like to be applied onto a large puddle of Micro Set. And after about 30 seconds, don't attempt to slide them, or they will pucker and shred. 

Andy
Iowa


Re: Canadian Pacific 8 Hatch reefer decal question

John Riddell
 

The F & C kits for the CN 8-hatch reefers are not accurate for the CP 8-hatch reefers. The CN and CP reefers differed in a number of ways including ends, hatches, side rivet patterens. hatch supports. CN had tabs on side sills while CP had straight side sills.  CP had a flush mounted roof. CN had an overhanging roof edge.   RMC published several informative articles in Dec 1995, Jan 1996, Feb 1996.

 

John Riddell

 

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Sunshine Kits for sale

Jerry Michels
 

FYI,

The Amarillo Railroad Museum is selling a few Sunshine kits from the collection of the late Virgil Young.  The listings are on eBay.  UTLX tank cars and some rare (?) AT&SF kits.  We have a single listing for UTLX X-5 of which we actually have four cars.  All the rest are singles.

Jerry Michels
Amarillo Railroad Museum


Re: PRR G24 scrap car questions

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello friends,
 
many thanks to all of you for your help and complete information regarding these cars. It's now clear that I easily can do without that model.
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953

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