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Re: More Barriger Pics:

mikefrommontanan
 

Guessing all that "salt" is crushed limestone for steel making. Noticing the Hulett unloaders in the background.

Michael Seitz

Missoula MT


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Re: WM 4201 -4450

StephenK
 

Notice also that the re-stenciled data is in several different sizes as well.   This is the kind of thing that, reproduced accurately, makes one look like a sloppy modeler!

Steve Kay

Re: WM 4201 -4450

mopacfirst
 

The door is problematic too, since it appears to be an early Youngstown style.  I don't offhand know of a source for this door in 8' width.  But the underframe is a perfect Branchline design.  Perhaps the relatively heavy crossbearers near the edges of the door opening may have contributed to the similarity.

And I second the desire for a welded side model, five-panel or six-panel.

Ron Merrick

Re: More Barriger Pics:

Bill Welch
 

Thank you David for these links. Your "Old and not-so-old" is the reason I enjoy transition era modeling.

Bill Welch

Re: A Long Ways From Home: L&N Gondola 74038

Bill Welch
 

Nice find Bob, this is a USRA composite gon, of which the L&N had 1,000 and also 1,000 copies w/o the diagonal straps on the two end panels and cast sideframe trucks. The L&N car kept the composite construction for a long time. The end we see is a replacement as they were built with a Murphy end. They carried other things besides coal. Attached is my attempt at modeling one of the originals replacing the wood parts w/styrene.

Bill Welch

If you are bringing your wife or significant other to CCB Prototype Rails 2019

np328
 

      For those of you who coming to CCB and are accompanied by your wife or significant other, my wife Vita who many of you have met over the years is going to make a day trip to Winter Park and the Charles Hosmer Morse Museum on either Friday or Saturday. She did this last year and I know that because of the poor weather some missed out. Those who did go had fun, much fun. I have been to the Morse Museum several times and always enjoy the time spent there. http://www.morsemuseum.org/
     To those unaware, the Morse Museum houses the world’s most comprehensive collection of works by Louis Comfort Tiffany, with the artist and designer’s jewelry, pottery,
paintings, art glass, leaded-glass lamps and windows. Some of the finest Tiffany glass I have had the pleasure to see.

And that Charles H Morse is the Morse of the Fairbanks-Morse locomotive Company, whose locomotives pulled legions of the cars we study here.  
     Winter Park itself northeast of Orlando has a great little downtown area where one can find some nice little restaurants, and sit outside enjoying breakfast, lunch, or dinner
while across the city park, watch CSX trains pass, and the Amtrak, and SunRail trains stop enroute at the Winter Park station. I’ve enjoyed meals more than once in that manner.
     Contact me off line and I will pass along my Vita’s e-mail for your wife or friend.  
Again to reply off line press [Reply], then on the right side, choose the [Private] box.     
                                                                                                                                                thanks,               Jim Dick – Roseville, MN

Re: A Long Ways From Home: L&N Gondola 74038

Tim O'Connor
 


After a little photo editing magic... Judging from the other photos in that roll I'm guessing this picture
is sometime around 1950??

Tim O'Connor


On 12/21/2018 7:13 PM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

This photo (unfortunately printed backwards) is from the Barriger Library collection:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12230516134/

It shows L&N Gondola 74038 at the Fairbanks, Morse & Company pump works in Pomona, CA.

I could imagine a scenario where coal was used by the pump works. Or maybe not. But in any case, this gondola is a long ways from home.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

More Barriger Pics:

David
 

A Long Ways From Home: L&N Gondola 74038

Bob Chaparro
 

This photo (unfortunately printed backwards) is from the Barriger Library collection:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12230516134/

It shows L&N Gondola 74038 at the Fairbanks, Morse & Company pump works in Pomona, CA.

I could imagine a scenario where coal was used by the pump works. Or maybe not. But in any case, this gondola is a long ways from home.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: The curious case of NP box car colors in the 50's

Richard Townsend
 

Remember those articles in Mainline Modeler about theatrical lighting? Clark Dunham as I recall was the author. He did moonlight.


-----Original Message-----
From: Mikebrock <brockm@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Dec 21, 2018 3:50 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] The curious case of NP box car colors in the 50's

Andy,

I actually thought of moon light. Wonder if cool white florescent would  duplicate moon light?
The point being that the paint/colors we are discussing should be subject to film and lighting [ of the prototype ] characteristics and those of a model. Unless, of course, one is trying to paint a real subject [ like a NP box car ].
 
Mike Brock
 
 
Mike
 
Moonlight
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
 
On Thursday, December 20, 2018, 2:56:08 PM PST, Mikebrock <brockm@...> wrote:
 
 
 
Andy Carlson writes:
 
BTW, I guess that these would even be suitable colors for the NP passenger greens of the late 1950s.
 
Under what lighting? Bright sunlight, bright sunlight at 5PM, cloudy sunlight, florescent daylight, florescent warm white, incandescent, LED, etc.?
Mike Brock

 
 

Re: The curious case of NP box car colors in the 50's

Mikebrock
 

Andy,

I actually thought of moon light. Wonder if cool white florescent would  duplicate moon light?

The point being that the paint/colors we are discussing should be subject to film and lighting [ of the prototype ] characteristics and those of a model. Unless, of course, one is trying to paint a real subject [ like a NP box car ].

 

Mike Brock

 

 

Mike

 

Moonlight

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA

 

On Thursday, December 20, 2018, 2:56:08 PM PST, Mikebrock <brockm@...> wrote:

 

 

 

Andy Carlson writes:

 

BTW, I guess that these would even be suitable colors for the NP passenger greens of the late 1950s.

 

Under what lighting? Bright sunlight, bright sunlight at 5PM, cloudy sunlight, florescent daylight, florescent warm white, incandescent, LED, etc.?

Mike Brock

 

 

Re: WM 4201 -4450

Bill Keene
 

Bill, Brian, Tim, Steve,

Thank you all for your kind and educational suggestions on how to model one of these WM box cars. Most helpful indeed. Now it is the time to put this learning into motion and progress as there is not a single WM box car in the layout fleet.

Thanks & Cheers, 
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Dec 21, 2018, at 2:37 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Archer does offer "Weld Lines" but they are intended for armor modelers. For boxcars I recommend their "Aircraft Panel" line decals. Here are two examples. The Georgia roof is primed.

Bill Welch <Monon _37 left end area details.JPG><_4 Georgia USRA steel rebuild Archer Panel Lines for welded roof.JPG>

Re: WM 4201 -4450

Bill Welch
 

Archer does offer "Weld Lines" but they are intended for armor modelers. For boxcars I recommend their "Aircraft Panel" line decals. Here are two examples. The Georgia roof is primed.

Bill Welch

Re: WM 4201 -4450

steve_wintner
 

Archer offers decal "weld lines", which I've not seen in person, but might work well for precisely this sort of build.

Steve

Re: WM 4201 -4450

Tim O'Connor
 

For slightly LATER welded cars, Front Range produced welded side kits for 6 foot door, 8 foot door, and combination plug sliding door box car kits. All of the Front Range box cars had R+3/4 ends as well, and the underbodies need to be chopped out and replaced with Accurail floors. The roof is not part of the body casting however, so a variety of roofs can be applied easily.

Tim


On 12/21/2018 3:55 PM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io wrote:
The riveted sides would have to be sanded flat and the 12 panel welded sides modeled. A 12 panel welded side car is missing in plastic.  Yarmouth has been filling the void in resin but I have no idea if they’d consider this car down the road. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Dec 21, 2018, at 3:38 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Bill,

Both C&BT and Branchline/now Atlas offer kits with 4/4/ Improved Dreadnaught ends, rectangular paneled roof and eight foot doors.

Bill Welch

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: WM 4201 -4450

Brian Carlson
 

The riveted sides would have to be sanded flat and the 12 panel welded sides modeled. A 12 panel welded side car is missing in plastic.  Yarmouth has been filling the void in resin but I have no idea if they’d consider this car down the road. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Dec 21, 2018, at 3:38 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Bill,

Both C&BT and Branchline/now Atlas offer kits with 4/4/ Improved Dreadnaught ends, rectangular paneled roof and eight foot doors.

Bill Welch

Re: WM 4201 -4450

Bill Welch
 

Bill,

Both C&BT and Branchline/now Atlas offer kits with 4/4/ Improved Dreadnaught ends, rectangular paneled roof and eight foot doors.

Bill Welch

Re: WM 4201 -4450

Ed Hawkins
 


On Dec 21, 2018, at 12:15 PM, Garth Groff <sarahsan@...> wrote:

 There is no mention in Ed Hawkins' AAR Boxcar list, or in his All-time Duryea list. That said, missing from the Duryea list are D&RGW boxcars 67500-67999, and apparently 69400-69899 (underframe type isn't specified in Jim Eager's D&RGW Color Guide, but he says they were identical to the 68000-series).

Garth,
While there’s no credit for the Duryea underframe cars on the STMFC web site, I believe Ted Culotta developed the original list. Any additional equipment having Duryea underframes not currently on the list can be added by contacting Rob Adams.

Concur with the D&RGW 12-panel box cars built by Pressed Steel Car Co. from 1939 to 1946 as all had Duryea underframes to include 5 series 68000-68399 (1939), 68400-68899 (1940), 68900-69399 (1941), 69400-69899 (1942), and 67500-67999 (1946). The total number of these D&RGW cars built came to 2,402, two of which were replacement cars in the 1942 order.

These Rio Grande cars were discussed in Pat Wider’s article published in RP CYC Volumes 31-32. 

Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Re: WM 4201 -4450

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Bill,

Apparently I was mistaken about WM 4201 having Duryea underframes. There is no mention in Ed Hawkins' AAR Boxcar list, or in his All-time Duryea list. That said, missing from the Duryea list are D&RGW boxcars 67500-67999, and apparently 69400-69899 (underframe type isn't specified in Jim Eager's D&RGW Color Guide, but he says they were identical to the 68000-series). I didn't find the WM 901XXX series of cabooses there. One (or maybe two) of these survive in Staunton, Virginia. I know 901882 has a Duryea underframe because I crawled under the car to photograph same. See attached.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

On 12/21/18 12:11 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
The following link will take you to a comprehensive and up-to-date set of tables for Steel Boxcars with information about numerous options: http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/protofrtcarsmain.html

Bill Welch

Re: Gulfsteel Fence

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Steve, Tony, and List Members,
 
It is interesting that neither steel fencing, nor steel wire to be used to make fencing, is being handled here.
 
It looks like the workers are handling kegs of some sort.
 
Both the truck and the factory on the right belong to Balbach, who appears to be a welding supply business.
 
The billboard painted on the boxcar does have an image of a keg filled with "GSS Co Common Steel Wire Nails". Perhaps that is what is being shipped.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Gulfsteel Fence

Thanks, Tony.
 
Very interesting.  It appears that this is a one-of-a-kind car.  They also had 3 tank cars.
 
 
I am adding the STMFC list for their interest.
 
Steve Hile


From: Tony Long [mailto:tony.long@...]
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 11:12 AM
To: Steve and Barb Hile
Subject: Gulfsteel Fence

 

Never seen this one before – nice mural on the left side.

 

http://durhammuseum.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15426coll1/id/37253/rec/296