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Re: Has anyone ever used products from The Army Painter?

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

Oops sorry nothing to do with freight cars.
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Re: Has anyone ever used products from The Army Painter?

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 12/31/2018 10:22 PM, np328 wrote:
The tufts come in a great assortment with the winter tufts perhaps looking good on a California Layout and the Lowland and Swamp tufts looking good to me as local Midwest applicable.

    I bought some tuffs however be careful of the color.  I got what I thought would be green and turned out to be brown.  I think the pictures have no relationship to the product number.  Other than that they are nice and can be repainted which is what I did.

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Re: Rock Island Hopper 89502 and shop made roof

Paul Doggett
 

Lester

Very good you have finished up wit an unusual car thanks for sharing.

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On 1 Jan 2019, at 14:36, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

I have finished Rock Island Hopper 89502, an upgraded Athearn offset-side, peaked end hopper.  Upgrade includes brake piping, wire grab irons, slope sheet braces, wine door locks, and train line.  The Rock Island added a shop made roof to the prototype in 1945.  The finished RI hopper 89502 can receive a resin cast removable hopper roof to convert it into a covered hopper.  The attached photo of the upgraded hopper car was taken before the roof was painted, decals and weathering added.  Another blog post, “Rock Island Shop Made Covered Hopper Roof,” the one you see first, covers building the RI shop made covered hopper roof.   To see and read about RI hopper 89502 please scroll down to the prior post to read “Rock Island Hopper 89502.” Photos and writeup of finished hopper car and roof are on my blog I started to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following:

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Rock Island Hopper 89502 and shop made roof

Lester Breuer
 

I have finished Rock Island Hopper 89502, an upgraded Athearn offset-side, peaked end hopper.  Upgrade includes brake piping, wire grab irons, slope sheet braces, wine door locks, and train line.  The Rock Island added a shop made roof to the prototype in 1945.  The finished RI hopper 89502 can receive a resin cast removable hopper roof to convert it into a covered hopper.  The attached photo of the upgraded hopper car was taken before the roof was painted, decals and weathering added.  Another blog post, “Rock Island Shop Made Covered Hopper Roof,” the one you see first, covers building the RI shop made covered hopper roof.   To see and read about RI hopper 89502 please scroll down to the prior post to read “Rock Island Hopper 89502.” Photos and writeup of finished hopper car and roof are on my blog I started to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following:


Flat car load

Eric Hansmann
 

Do you need an HO scale equipment load for a flat car? George Toman shares his work building two bulldozer kits on the Resin Car Works blog.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/resin-flat-car-load-cat-d7-bulldozer/



Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Has anyone ever used products from The Army Painter?

np328
 

   While looking through e-bay, this came up. The Army Painter, here is the home page.  htthttps://www.thearmypainter.com/ps://www.thearmypainter.com/    
  However this next page that really caught my attention, the Battlefields Essentials page: htthttps://shop.thearmypainter.com/products.php?ProductGroupId=3ps://shop.thearmypainter.com/products.php?ProductGroupId=3   That page is almost entirely scenic materials. The tufts come in a great assortment with the winter tufts perhaps looking good on a California Layout and the Lowland and Swamp tufts looking good to me as local Midwest applicable.

     The tool section has some items that interest me also. In the Effects Warpaints column, it has Dry Rust.  Metallics Warpaint is worth a look also.      
Has anybody here ever used these products? (to scenic the area our railroad cars run through)                                                Jim Dick

   I came across this as a suggested similar item on e-bay.   I am not sure how this popped up as I was looking at "silent air compressors", which I will post to the other thread. 


Re: NP 1937 AAR 40’ boxcar

Paul Doggett
 

Cheers guys 

I got them.

Paul 


On 31 Dec 2018, at 22:10, npin53 <npin53@...> wrote:

This work?

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Re: NP 1937 AAR 40’ boxcar

npin53
 

This work?


Re: US Navy Box Car

John Barry
 

Ken,

Very nice job on the variation on the 36 foot box theme. You noted the number style dates from 1948, do you know what it was after purchase in 1944? I model the Santa Fe through Port Chicago at the end of 1944.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 


PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

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On Mon, 12/31/18, Ken Adams <smadanek44g@...> wrote:

Subject: [RealSTMFC] US Navy Box Car
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Date: Monday, December 31, 2018, 1:15 PM




This car was originally Denver and Rio Grande #63383 and
exists today at the Western Railway Museum in Rio Vista
California. In 1944 the Rio Grande sold it to the US Navy as
one of the replacements for wood box cars destroyed in the
monstrous July 17, 1944 explosion of ammunition ships and
stores being loaded at the Port Chicago California naval
transportation facility. It remained in use to transfer
munitions between warehouses and ships from 1944 to 1971
when it was donated to the Western Railway museum along with
another 36 foot box car. The museum repainted it into Rio
Grande box car red. I was able to visit the train shed it
was stored in and take a few phone camera snaps. 

An article about the Rio Grande 36 foot box cars and
modeling them using the Accurail 1400 series box cars in the
Rio Grande Modeling and Historical Society Prospector
quarterly magazine got me started. Grab irons were replaced
with 24" grabs (Tichy) and new end beams made from U
shape channel. The stirrup/sidebeam steps are Grandt Line
Narrow gauge steps and may be too short for a standard gauge
car, but they look right.  The under frame was modified
so the beams correctly align with the doors. It took a while
but I located US Navy transfers from Clover house to match
the car. Unfortunately they did not go on completely on the
side of the car I am not showing.  I am thinking about
copying the Clover House transfers to decal paper to do a
second car. 

The cars were all Navy off white color when delivered to the
WRM according to the slide I located on the WRM
website.  As far as I know they were in this color in
1948-54 which is my target period. The underside of 63383 is
still an off white or very very light grey (and the K brake
cylinder still lettered for a USN 1971 brake test.) 
 I used spray can Tamiya White Primer to cover the
boxcar red of the Accurail painted without road name body
and as the base color which covered completely after 2
coats. I then brushed an overcoat of Tamiya acrylic paint
with 5 parts white mixed with 1 part light sky grey thinned
with 1 part Tamiya acrylic thinner. I left it a bit
streaky. 

My research indicates the Navy non sea-going asset equipment
numbering system (61-00202) dates from 1948. 

I became very interested in these box cars and their story.
My shunting yard used for testing models and pictures is in
theory the SP Avon Contra Costa yard where the San Ramon
branch left the San Joaquin line to go south.  Avon
yard is only 1 mile west of the Port Chicago/Concord Navel
Weapons station interchange trackage. And I live 10 miles
south in Walnut Creek where the July 17, 1944 explosion
which completely destroyed two loading cargo ships and
killed 332 people was heard. Although unlikely, I theorize
the unloaded car was occasionally seen at Avon yard as a
buffer car for switching explosive cargo to the Navy
trackage.


Re: Cocoa Beach January 2019 Shake 'N Take-Southern boxcar (272500-272999)

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks


On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 4:50 PM al_brown03 <abrown@...> wrote:
Will do!



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Re: Cocoa Beach January 2019 Shake 'N Take-Southern boxcar (272500-272999)

al_brown03
 

Will do!


Re: Cocoa Beach January 2019 Shake 'N Take-Southern boxcar (272500-272999)

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Fran, that is one I do have.  I appreciate you help.
Fenton

On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 4:35 PM Fran Giacoma <frangiacoma@...> wrote:
Not much of a shot, but it might help (272590):
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2151425

Fran Giacoma



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Re: Cocoa Beach January 2019 Shake 'N Take-Southern boxcar (272500-272999)

O Fenton Wells
 

Al, they are right on.  Don't have those books.  If you could scan them and email them I would greatly appreciate your help.  
Looking forward to seeing you in Cocoa
and happy new year
Fenton

On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 4:29 PM al_brown03 <abrown@...> wrote:
Hi Fenton, 

A partial end shot of Southern 272617 appears in Ferrell's "Slow Trains Down South, vol 1", p 269.
A photo of Southern 272993 in a train appears in Staufer's "B&O Power", p 138.
A builder's photo of Southern 272999 appears in the '43 Car Builders' Cyc; it's reprinted in TS CYC 17, p 139.
The roof of Southern 272999 is shown in an ad in the '43 Cyc; it's reprinted in TS CYC 75, p 401. This is a different picture from the one just mentioned.

How similar are these to Southern 272000-272499? I see they share an ORER listing.

Best regards,

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.



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Re: NP 1937 AAR 40’ boxcar

npin53
 

I tried sharing a picture twice, but it doesn't come through. ?????

Packed and ready for Cocoa Beach.

Aaron Gjermundson


Re: Cocoa Beach January 2019 Shake 'N Take-Southern boxcar (272500-272999)

Fran Giacoma
 

Not much of a shot, but it might help (272590):
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2151425

Fran Giacoma


Re: Cocoa Beach January 2019 Shake 'N Take-Southern boxcar (272500-272999)

al_brown03
 

Hi Fenton, 

A partial end shot of Southern 272617 appears in Ferrell's "Slow Trains Down South, vol 1", p 269.
A photo of Southern 272993 in a train appears in Staufer's "B&O Power", p 138.
A builder's photo of Southern 272999 appears in the '43 Car Builders' Cyc; it's reprinted in TS CYC 17, p 139.
The roof of Southern 272999 is shown in an ad in the '43 Cyc; it's reprinted in TS CYC 75, p 401. This is a different picture from the one just mentioned.

How similar are these to Southern 272000-272499? I see they share an ORER listing.

Best regards,

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: US Navy Box Car

Paul Doggett
 

Ken

Very nice and unusual car.

Paul Doggett England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 31 Dec 2018, at 20:45, Gary Ray <gerber1926@...> wrote:

Hi Ken,

Nice looking car.  Appreciated the history. 

Thanks for sharing,

Gary Ray

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Adams
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 11:15 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] US Navy Box Car

 


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This car was originally Denver and Rio Grande #63383 and exists today at the Western Railway Museum in Rio Vista California. In 1944 the Rio Grande sold it to the US Navy as one of the replacements for wood box cars destroyed in the monstrous July 17, 1944 explosion of ammunition ships and stores being loaded at the Port Chicago California naval transportation facility. It remained in use to transfer munitions between warehouses and ships from 1944 to 1971 when it was donated to the Western Railway museum along with another 36 foot box car. The museum repainted it into Rio Grande box car red. I was able to visit the train shed it was stored in and take a few phone camera snaps. 

An article about the Rio Grande 36 foot box cars and modeling them using the Accurail 1400 series box cars in the Rio Grande Modeling and Historical Society Prospector quarterly magazine got me started. Grab irons were replaced with 24" grabs (Tichy) and new end beams made from U shape channel. The stirrup/sidebeam steps are Grandt Line Narrow gauge steps and may be too short for a standard gauge car, but they look right.  The under frame was modified so the beams correctly align with the doors. It took a while but I located US Navy transfers from Clover house to match the car. Unfortunately they did not go on completely on the side of the car I am not showing.  I am thinking about copying the Clover House transfers to decal paper to do a second car. 

The cars were all Navy off white color when delivered to the WRM according to the slide I located on the WRM website.  As far as I know they were in this color in 1948-54 which is my target period. The underside of 63383 is still an off white or very very light grey (and the K brake cylinder still lettered for a USN 1971 brake test.)   I used spray can Tamiya White Primer to cover the boxcar red of the Accurail painted without road name body and as the base color which covered completely after 2 coats. I then brushed an overcoat of Tamiya acrylic paint with 5 parts white mixed with 1 part light sky grey thinned with 1 part Tamiya acrylic thinner. I left it a bit streaky. 

My research indicates the Navy non sea-going asset equipment numbering system (61-00202) dates from 1948. 

I became very interested in these box cars and their story. My shunting yard used for testing models and pictures is in theory the SP Avon Contra Costa yard where the San Ramon branch left the San Joaquin line to go south.  Avon yard is only 1 mile west of the Port Chicago/Concord Navel Weapons station interchange trackage. And I live 10 miles south in Walnut Creek where the July 17, 1944 explosion which completely destroyed two loading cargo ships and killed 332 people was heard. Although unlikely, I theorize the unloaded car was occasionally seen at Avon yard as a buffer car for switching explosive cargo to the Navy trackage. 




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Re: US Navy Box Car

Gary Ray
 

Hi Ken,

Nice looking car.  Appreciated the history. 

Thanks for sharing,

Gary Ray

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Adams
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 11:15 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] US Navy Box Car

 




This car was originally Denver and Rio Grande #63383 and exists today at the Western Railway Museum in Rio Vista California. In 1944 the Rio Grande sold it to the US Navy as one of the replacements for wood box cars destroyed in the monstrous July 17, 1944 explosion of ammunition ships and stores being loaded at the Port Chicago California naval transportation facility. It remained in use to transfer munitions between warehouses and ships from 1944 to 1971 when it was donated to the Western Railway museum along with another 36 foot box car. The museum repainted it into Rio Grande box car red. I was able to visit the train shed it was stored in and take a few phone camera snaps. 

An article about the Rio Grande 36 foot box cars and modeling them using the Accurail 1400 series box cars in the Rio Grande Modeling and Historical Society Prospector quarterly magazine got me started. Grab irons were replaced with 24" grabs (Tichy) and new end beams made from U shape channel. The stirrup/sidebeam steps are Grandt Line Narrow gauge steps and may be too short for a standard gauge car, but they look right.  The under frame was modified so the beams correctly align with the doors. It took a while but I located US Navy transfers from Clover house to match the car. Unfortunately they did not go on completely on the side of the car I am not showing.  I am thinking about copying the Clover House transfers to decal paper to do a second car. 

The cars were all Navy off white color when delivered to the WRM according to the slide I located on the WRM website.  As far as I know they were in this color in 1948-54 which is my target period. The underside of 63383 is still an off white or very very light grey (and the K brake cylinder still lettered for a USN 1971 brake test.)   I used spray can Tamiya White Primer to cover the boxcar red of the Accurail painted without road name body and as the base color which covered completely after 2 coats. I then brushed an overcoat of Tamiya acrylic paint with 5 parts white mixed with 1 part light sky grey thinned with 1 part Tamiya acrylic thinner. I left it a bit streaky. 

My research indicates the Navy non sea-going asset equipment numbering system (61-00202) dates from 1948. 

I became very interested in these box cars and their story. My shunting yard used for testing models and pictures is in theory the SP Avon Contra Costa yard where the San Ramon branch left the San Joaquin line to go south.  Avon yard is only 1 mile west of the Port Chicago/Concord Navel Weapons station interchange trackage. And I live 10 miles south in Walnut Creek where the July 17, 1944 explosion which completely destroyed two loading cargo ships and killed 332 people was heard. Although unlikely, I theorize the unloaded car was occasionally seen at Avon yard as a buffer car for switching explosive cargo to the Navy trackage. 




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Cocoa Beach January 2019 Shake 'N Take-Southern boxcar (272500-272999)

O Fenton Wells
 

We are getting down to the wire and still have not been able to locate but 4 photos of this Southern boxcar (272500-272999).  I've checked the usual sources, Bob's photos, Ted Culotta and other Southern fans but haven't been able to come up with anything.  If anyone has a photo they would share or knows of someone who might  I'd certainly be grateful.  Yes I googled as well, no joy.  I'm beginning to believe that these cars were very bashful and photo shy!!!
Thanking anyone in advance,
Fenton


Re: Airbrush Make-up

John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
 

Peter,

I am almost in total agreement . Almost as using an oil less compressor can cause problems when using acrylic paints.

I’ve used oil lubricated compressors for 30 years with solvent based paint with no problems.

But I found I had one heck of a time trying, unsuccessfully, to get really good results with acrylic paints. The reason? A little old drop of oil in the airstream causes a bubble to appear in the paint on the model. And those drops can show up more than you’d think. When using turpentine/lacquer thinner/Floquil Dio-Sol, any droplets would get absorbed by the thinner. That can’t happen when using acrylic’s.

My new compressor from Paasche is oil less.

John Hagen.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Ness
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 8:44 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Airbrush Make-up

 

For those interested in the cosmetic airbrushes, a page of reviews with links to pricing. 

https://www.oglf.org/best-airbrush-makeup/

Keep in mind these reviews are focused on the cosmetics and their applications, less on the airbrush.  In some cases there are comments on nozzle size and pressure control.  One of the big “negatives” is “no carrying case”  While I have the box my airbrush came in, it would not serve as a carrying case which is not a negative, my opinion.

 

When I first saw one of these advertised my first thought was “Heck, if it can pump makeup, paint should be a breeze…maybe less clogging (I don’t really get clogging now) and easier clean-up (again, not really a problem but I always think it is as for me it’s about 10 minutes...maybe I should watch some you tube videos). My other thought was maybe since it’s for cosmetics it won’t be as loud. Everyone in the house knows when I turn on the compressor…

 

Garth, I have a 1HP Craftsman 135psi compressor with attached 3 gal tank. It came with a pressure gauge and regulator which works fine in normal airbrush pressure ranges.  I had to buy and attach a trap (moisture/oil) and a fitting to connect the hose for my Badger air brush. I bought mine years ago when it was on sale for $99.99.  Now it’s on sale for $119.99. 

https://www.sears.com/craftsman-3-gallon-portable-air-compressor/p-00915362000P?sid=IDx20141028xBingPLA&sid=IDx20141028xBingPLAx272383375&utm_campaign=&utm_group=1191871020978242-{creative}&utm_term=pla-4578091564185289&msclkid=f93d970969261a87695dcb234383d393

It is not quiet and with rubber feet it’s better to build a shallow wood box to keep it from wandering around a concrete floor when in operation.

 

It is not what many would recommend (i.e., compressed gas cylinders, oil-less pumps, etc.) but it works for me and I don’t have to lug a tank somewhere to get it refilled, or worry about much maintenance. YMMV. If you already have airbrushes, the Craftsman compressor costs less than some of these cosmetic airbrushes and a little more than others.

 

Peter Ness  

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Garth Groff
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 4:10 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Airbrush Make-up

 

Friends,

I actually have two airbrushes. I do have a regulator/moisture trap, if it works (from an estate sale), but no tank or compressor and really no place indoors to use same. I tried propellant, but used up most of the can in just a few minutes. Spray cans on the patio during a windless day are my usual way of doing business.

I was really interested in the compressor, and mainly for weathering with diluted acrylics.

Jon and John are correct. That $40 turned out to be just a 30-day trial price. Then they whack you with more, and will probably squawk when you try to return the machine. No doubt a purchaser will be enrolled in a regular ship-and-bill program of make-up bottles forever, and other products sent on approval with a very short return period. That said, similar brush kits are available from other manufacturers at retail outlets like Ulta, Walmart, etc.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff 

On 12/30/18 3:18 PM, Doc Bond wrote:

Garth,
Don't spend money twice. That little weenie compressor they show in the advertising won't do much of anything. Tough to tell with the airbrush. It maybe a quality one but you can get good less expensive airbrushes of know quality. I would pass.

Gordon Spalty

 

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