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Re: decals on wood

Denny Anspach
 

By serendipity, I have had considerable  experience with decals on wood, and the bottom essential before decal-ling is to fill the wood grain  with paint, varnish, lacquer, or sanding sealer to the point that the surface can be lightly sanded to be smooth and “glossy”. Then, have at it. Decals have a truly difficult time settling into unfilled grain, no amount of applications of Walthers’ SolvaSet notwithstanding. 

 I have found that the woods commonly used for laser kits seem to have more open grain than the usual basswood.  I am currently in the process of finishing up several wood car kits so the subject is a hot one,.I will attach below a photo of a recent decal application on wood.  Ignore that it is a passenger car, but the point’s the same! 

Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
307 Stanton Road
Quarryville, PA
17566



Twin Star Cars

Richard Townsend
 

Is Twin Star Cars still in business? It's Ross Dando's company and the manufacturer of shock absorbers for the uncommon Chrysler trucks used on some PFE reefers and other cars. Their web address takes me to a flashing melange of Asian writing.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


Re: decals on wood

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Tim,
 
Do you thin the polyurethane?  If so, how much?
 
Thanks,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Tim O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 2:40 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] decals on wood
 
Bruce

I seal real wood with Minwax polyurethane. It turns wood into "virtual styrene". :-) And of course
it can be painted over.

Tim O'Connor



On 1/6/2019 2:36 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:

Folks,

 

I could use some help. I have been working on an ABC USRA gondola with an undec IM kit (in HO) and I'm getting near the end. I have the decals for this car from the ACl/SBD/SCL HS. Most of the lettering goes on the wood sides and as many of you know, this kit has actual wood sides. I have painted these black with Model Master enamel, sanded them, and painted on a a second coat. The paint is flat and so my plan is to give a third coat with Future and proceed to decal. My question is, are 3 coats (2 paint, 1 future) good enough to seal the wood and get good decal performance, or do I need more coats of paint to seal first?

 

Regards

Bruce




--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: decals on wood

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Bruce,
 
It has been quite some time since I last applied decal to a car, but I had no problems with either decals or dry transfers. 
 
The decal were Champ or perhaps Walthers, and the dry transfers were from Clover House. 
 
In at least one case, I applied dry transfers to a Central Valley car that came with pre-panted side and end pieces. 
 
Most car were spray painted with Floquil or in a few cases Scalecoat (I), using a now long gone Badger single action air brush and cans of Propel (what a pain).  At some point I started using Scalecoat sanding sealer prior to assembly and painting, not necessarily in that order.  I used a setting solution on decals, Solvaset if memory serves.  I later began using a flat finish over everything, probably also Floquil, but not initially.  Dullcote was not yet in my quiver at the time.
 
Pax,
 
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Bruce Smith
Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 2:36 PM
To: stmfc
Subject: [RealSTMFC] decals on wood
 

Folks,

 

I could use some help. I have been working on an ABC USRA gondola with an undec IM kit (in HO) and I'm getting near the end. I have the decals for this car from the ACl/SBD/SCL HS. Most of the lettering goes on the wood sides and as many of you know, this kit has actual wood sides. I have painted these black with Model Master enamel, sanded them, and painted on a a second coat. The paint is flat and so my plan is to give a third coat with Future and proceed to decal. My question is, are 3 coats (2 paint, 1 future) good enough to seal the wood and get good decal performance, or do I need more coats of paint to seal first?

 

Regards

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


Re: decals on wood

Nelson Moyer
 

Bruce,

 

I used a product from the local hobby shop that was intended for sealing pinewood derby cars to fill and seal a CB&Q BA-19  economy baggage car scratchbuilt using Northeastern Lumber Co. floor, sides, and milled roof. The product is Pine Pro Competetion Components Sanding Sealer. It’s most likely an acrylic product, because it’s water-based and non-toxic. I bought a 2 oz. bottle for $4.29, but that was around eight years ago. I applied several coats, sanding lightly between coats until I was happy with the finish. It won’t fill deep wood grain, but it works well on smooth pine.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2019 1:37 PM
To: stmfc <realstmfc@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] decals on wood

 

Folks,

 

I could use some help. I have been working on an ABC USRA gondola with an undec IM kit (in HO) and I'm getting near the end. I have the decals for this car from the ACl/SBD/SCL HS. Most of the lettering goes on the wood sides and as many of you know, this kit has actual wood sides. I have painted these black with Model Master enamel, sanded them, and painted on a a second coat. The paint is flat and so my plan is to give a third coat with Future and proceed to decal. My question is, are 3 coats (2 paint, 1 future) good enough to seal the wood and get good decal performance, or do I need more coats of paint to seal first?

 

Regards

Bruce 

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


Re: Rare M&StL box car footage

O Fenton Wells
 

Even not growing up there I can see why you model it Clark, thanks for sharing.
Fenton

On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 12:55 PM gtws00 via Groups.Io <gtws00=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Great short film. 
Thanks for sharing
George Toman



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: decals on wood

Tim O'Connor
 

Bruce

I seal real wood with Minwax polyurethane. It turns wood into "virtual styrene". :-) And of course
it can be painted over.

Tim O'Connor



On 1/6/2019 2:36 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:

Folks,


I could use some help. I have been working on an ABC USRA gondola with an undec IM kit (in HO) and I'm getting near the end. I have the decals for this car from the ACl/SBD/SCL HS. Most of the lettering goes on the wood sides and as many of you know, this kit has actual wood sides. I have painted these black with Model Master enamel, sanded them, and painted on a a second coat. The paint is flat and so my plan is to give a third coat with Future and proceed to decal. My question is, are 3 coats (2 paint, 1 future) good enough to seal the wood and get good decal performance, or do I need more coats of paint to seal first?


Regards

Bruce 




--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


decals on wood

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,


I could use some help. I have been working on an ABC USRA gondola with an undec IM kit (in HO) and I'm getting near the end. I have the decals for this car from the ACl/SBD/SCL HS. Most of the lettering goes on the wood sides and as many of you know, this kit has actual wood sides. I have painted these black with Model Master enamel, sanded them, and painted on a a second coat. The paint is flat and so my plan is to give a third coat with Future and proceed to decal. My question is, are 3 coats (2 paint, 1 future) good enough to seal the wood and get good decal performance, or do I need more coats of paint to seal first?


Regards

Bruce 

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


Re: Model Train Magazine Index web site

Tim O'Connor
 


The problem with the index is that it uses 50 year old technology, and the world has moved on.

Here's what we need - every magazine and model railroad book ever published put into readable (OCR)
PDF file format and then INDEXED using Google indexing software. I run Google Desktop (the final version
before it was discontinued) on my PC and it indexes every PDF file, every photo, every text and every email
that's been stored on my successive computers for the past 25 years. I can search them all in 5 seconds or
less.

Unfortunately, the above won't happen until the copyrights have all expired - 75 years after publication. So right
now we're only up to 1944...

Tim O'Connor


On 1/6/2019 10:34 AM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

I tried a couple of searches for articles I know were published in Mainline Modeler, and the search hit on some key words but not others. Stock cars gave results, but CB&Q came up empty. On one of the hits, there were five pages of articles, but only the first page worked. Clicking NEXT brought up an error page. Pretty clunky index search functions! I wonder if the programmer actually tried the use this index to see if it worked.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of StephenK
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2019 9:04 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Model Train Magazine Index web site

 

Try this:

http://trc.trains.com/modeltrainindex

Steve Kay


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


NEB&W (RPI) layout being MOVED to ???

Tim O'Connor
 


Message forwarded from John Nehrich

The RPI club layout is one of the finest layouts in America. I hope this goes well
and doesn't become a tragedy. I've operated regularly on the layout for several years
and I've been visiting it for almost 30 years, and it has just gotten better and better
over time. And it had regular participation of RPI students too. The twice yearly
operating sessions attracted at least 40 people at a time including many RPI alumni.

Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

============================================

Hi, I'm trying to send out this info to all our active club members and supporters but in my rush, I'm sure I'm overlooking many - please spread the word and for anyone who hears about this only secondhand, I sincerely apologize.

We have just gotten word that shortly, perhaps a few weeks, a professional mover is going to come in and crate up sections of the layout, along with everything else, and move them out of Davison.  These will either be stored in a warehouse or if we are lucky, moved to a new permanent home.  The school wants to rehab Davison over the summer with all new plumbing, etc., but wants the layout now.  At first when they were talking about this, they were figuring they would totally box in the layout to protect it from swinging pipes around, but they would have to remove the backdrop and build us a whole new one.  On reconsideration, they figured it would be better to move us instead.

So where?  Barb Nelson, who used to work at RPI in space allocation, is now the Executive Director of TAP Inc. (Troy Architectural Program) and wants very much for us to move to some place where the layout can readily be seen by the public.  She is very sympathetic to our needs and attuned to the entire downtown building boom.  She thinks there may be some appropriate space downtown opening up.  Many developers are having a hard time filling their first floor with retailers, and she sees the layout as generating a lot of foot traffic.  We don’t have anything definite yet.  If it does, our role might change, whether we stay a part of RPI, be a collaboration with say the county historical society, become totally independent, or who knows what.  We know one important consideration no matter what would be to ensure this is a permanent home.

Or we have been talking about a new building, a simple (and thus cheap) steel shell building on a concrete pad floor somewhere on RPI property.

For years and years, we have looked at moving to an existing location in an unused space, but we take up far more room than people think.  And if we were to move into J Building or Winslow, even if we fit – we don’t – it would cost so much to remove walls, etc.  But now we are talking about a prime location, not a spare attic or unused basement.

Please spread the word to EVERYONE you can think of.  Massive amounts of publicity are needed, and soon, both word-of-mouth and professional media.  In this way, we may reach some wealthy benefactor, or even just convince the school the importance of not letting us wither away in storage.  We will be looking into some type of go-fund-me campaign, hopefully in conjunction say with a local historical group.  (We probably can’t do it under RPI without stepping on some toes).

The contract to move us has yet to be signed, but they are aiming for a few weeks.  Then we will know the timetable but it likely to be soon after.  Once we have a definite date, we are hopeful of holding one last operating session.  If you know of individuals who need to see the layout, I can set up an individual tour - it may be now or never.   

  - John Nehrich

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Rare M&StL box car footage

gtws00
 

Great short film. 
Thanks for sharing
George Toman


Re: Rare M&StL box car footage

Bill Welch
 

Thank you for sharing this Clark. Looks like a set of Detail West 4/4 Dreadnaught ends would be an ideal fit. Wonder it Andrew would be interested in doing these as a kit. I could furnish him the ends I think if he will. Nice variation.

Bill Welch


Re: Model Train Magazine Index web site

Nelson Moyer
 

I tried a couple of searches for articles I know were published in Mainline Modeler, and the search hit on some key words but not others. Stock cars gave results, but CB&Q came up empty. On one of the hits, there were five pages of articles, but only the first page worked. Clicking NEXT brought up an error page. Pretty clunky index search functions! I wonder if the programmer actually tried the use this index to see if it worked.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of StephenK
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2019 9:04 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Model Train Magazine Index web site

 

Try this:

http://trc.trains.com/modeltrainindex

Steve Kay


Re: Rare M&StL box car footage

Paul Doggett
 

Clark 

An excellent little film.

Paul Doggett 


On 6 Jan 2019, at 15:25, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:

 
Above is a link to a short video sent to me by Jason Klocke. I’ve built a couple models of the M&StL 52000 series box cars before using Ertl models with DW ends having only a photo snow covered car shot from an odd angle as a guide. Gene Green sent me the AFE file on them and some ‘detail’ photos he took of a car that survived as a shed somewhere. These cars were built in 42 on xCNW 16000 series reefer underframes with a carbody built like USRA DS cars with Dreadnaught ends.  I’ve always wondered if these cars had fishbelly underframes and by the looks of it they did. Happy me. Now I want to get some Westerfield USRA flat kits to build some more  ;  ))
 
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Rare M&StL box car footage

Clark Propst
 

 
Above is a link to a short video sent to me by Jason Klocke. I’ve built a couple models of the M&StL 52000 series box cars before using Ertl models with DW ends having only a photo snow covered car shot from an odd angle as a guide. Gene Green sent me the AFE file on them and some ‘detail’ photos he took of a car that survived as a shed somewhere. These cars were built in 42 on xCNW 16000 series reefer underframes with a carbody built like USRA DS cars with Dreadnaught ends.  I’ve always wondered if these cars had fishbelly underframes and by the looks of it they did. Happy me. Now I want to get some Westerfield USRA flat kits to build some more  ;  ))
 
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Model Train Magazine Index web site

Steve and Barb Hile
 

It works for me, but in a kind of hit or miss fashion.  If I hit this screen, I use my browser Back function to try again.  It can be frustrating.
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of robertb@...
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 11:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Model Train Magazine Index web site

Does anyone know  if the Model Train Magazine Index web site that was on the Kalmbach site is still working ? I keep getting this message.

Regards,

Robert Bogie




Re: Model Train Magazine Index web site

StephenK
 


Re: Model Train Magazine Index web site

Randy Hammill
 

There’s one on the NMRA site: www.olimpia.com:8084/magazine-index.html

Randy
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Randy Hammill
Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954  | https//:blog.newbritainstation.com


Model Train Magazine Index web site

robertb@smartchat.net.au
 

Does anyone know  if the Model Train Magazine Index web site that was on the Kalmbach site is still working ? I keep getting this message.

Regards,

Robert Bogie


Re: Eglin Car Shops/Yarmouth Model Works

Charlie Vlk
 

John-

You have to Watch the spelling of Elgin!!!

(Elgin Watch Company used to get freightcar loads of material and heating coal and freight crews used their railroad timepieces…required STMFC content!!).

Charlie Vlk

 

My bad.  I mis-typed.  It is Elgin Car Shops.  Y'see I live in north Florida and am used to Eglin Air Force Base.  So, force of habit.

-- John