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CN Eight-Hatch Reefer

Bob Chaparro
 

This is a photo from the Maureen and Mike Mansfield Library, University of Montana:

http://mtmemory.org/digital/collection/p16013coll27/id/5257/rec/38

Although not very detailed, it shows a Canadian National eight-hatch reefer behind the locomotive with the hatches open in what might be termed the ventilator position.

My question is, did these refrigerator cars have an air circulation system through the overhead ice bunkers?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Model Train Magazine Index web site

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Jan 7, 2019, at 5:55 AM, Dennis Storzek wrote:

[...]

But I agree with you, the index is less useful than it has been in the past. I don't think I've used it in two or three years.
About a year and a half ago I got some useful results; last month all I got was a nest of authentication failures there and every other time I attempted something with any Kalmbach site. Just moments ago I entered mrr.trains.com and attempted a login - authentication failure, unrecognized credentials; got into customer service with subscription credentials (why isn't this an option on the MR site?), changed the password, exited, and got the same failure message. Mirabile dictu, it works now.

As well, Zinio's user interface for digital subscriptions is as execrable as the archive's. Someone needs to hire a cognitive psychologist to straighten things out.
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"I think we are pole vaulting over mouse manure here."
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Re: Southern 311025 DD Boxcar

Chuck Cover
 

Here are some photos of Sunshine #37.15 Southern DS boxcar sitting at Northumberland on my Shamokin Branch layout.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: Model Train Magazine Index web site

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Jan 6, 2019, at 7:34 AM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

I tried a couple of searches for articles I know were published in Mainline Modeler, and the search hit on some key words but not others. Stock cars gave results, but CB&Q came up empty. On one of the hits, there were five pages of articles, but only the first page worked. Clicking NEXT brought up an error page. Pretty clunky index search functions! I wonder if the programmer actually tried the use this index to see if it worked.
I suspect that Kalmbach have outsourced much of their web-based applications *and* customer support.
[rant deleted -- not enough room in the margins of this message...]
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Re: Southern 311025 DD Boxcar

Bill Welch
 

Nothing odd about that "Rivet Strip." Double sheathed cars often had metal Batten strips along the sides in different location to help keep the sheathing tight against the frame. Sunshine did four versions of this kit, with and without the Batten strip and with both wood and steel doors. Sunshine also offered an interior kit showing the interior sheathing going up about 2/3 and where it ended the steel framing is then visible against the exterior sheathing.

Bill Welch


Re: Southern 311025 DD Boxcar

al_brown03
 

Woops, ARA not AAR.


Re: Southern 311025 DD Boxcar

al_brown03
 

This is the Southern's version of the mid-1920s AAR double-sheathed design; they had 2,250 of them. Photos appear (inter alia) in Culotta, "Focus on Freight Cars 2", pp 60-61. Sunshine made a kit: neat car!

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: ATSF Tk-N Tk-O tank car models

Bill Vaughn
 

Were there any other owners for this tank.  Maybe they will run more if there is.  Sure wish they had done some Undecorated ones.

Bill Vaughn

On Tuesday, January 8, 2019, 6:03:12 PM PST, spsalso via Groups.Io <Edwardsutorik@...> wrote:



Southern 311025 DD Boxcar

steve_wintner
 

Folks, turned up a post on Facebook, supposedly a Jack Delano photo. March 1943 Argentine KS yard (attached).

Appears to be Southern 311025, in the 311000 to 311499 series, double door class XM (in my 1950 ORER anyways). If I judge by the lower sill and ends, it's some sort of rebuild, steel sheathing outside a formerly single sheathed frame. 

Can anyone tell me more? It's got an odd rivet strip, horizontally, about 4' up. Also, I think those are reverse dreadnought ends, kinda funky.

Thanks
Stephan



Re: ATSF Tk-N Tk-O tank car models

roblmclear
 

Yeah but Ted York used the version that is the earliest lettering and removed anything that was post his date which I think is 52 as well, the coloured label, can't think of the name and the reweigh date.

Rob McLear
Aussie.


Re: ATSF Tk-N Tk-O tank car models

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Guys,

The capacity stencil on SP&S 38606 says "140000 LBS." The conversion from pounds to gallons depends on the product loaded. A full 140,000 pounds load of water would be about 16,700 gallons, while 140,000 pounds of gasoline would be about 22,600 gallons. Other petroleum products likely would be between those two.

Bottom line here is that capacity in pounds doesn't really help much.

Pax,


Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 9:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Tk-N Tk-O tank car models


Ed, could those be 19,000 gallon cars, not 16,000 gallon?

The frame appears to be quite different from the Santa Fe cars -
probably built later?

Tim O'


On 1/8/2019 9:03 PM, spsalso via Groups.Io wrote:
And then there's the SP&S ones:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2390051

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2390055

Edward Sutorik

--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: ATSF Tk-N Tk-O tank car models

Tim O'Connor
 

Ed, could those be 19,000 gallon cars, not 16,000 gallon?

The frame appears to be quite different from the Santa Fe cars - probably built later?

Tim O'

On 1/8/2019 9:03 PM, spsalso via Groups.Io wrote:
And then there's the SP&S ones:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2390051

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2390055

Edward Sutorik
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: ATSF Tk-N Tk-O tank car models

spsalso
 


Re: Carmer Cut Lever Photo

Michael Gross
 

Good photos always a help.  Thank you!

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: ATSF Tk-N Tk-O tank car models

npin53
 

Jim Dick, do you have access to any pictures of the NP cars? I can check later tonight if I think of it.

Aaron Gjermundson


Re: ATSF Tk-N Tk-O tank car models

npin53
 

The NP had General American 16000 welded tanks built in 1949 for company service. I need to check the model photograph against prototype pictures.

I have a 5:55 AM flight to Cocoa Beach tomorrow morning.

Aaron Gjermundson


Re: UTLX Tank Cars

Allan Smith
 


Thanks Steve that is exactly what I was looking for.

Al Smith

On ‎Monday‎, ‎January‎ ‎7‎, ‎2019‎ ‎07‎:‎41‎:‎16‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:


On the road to Cocoa Beach - Tonight in Louisville, KY.

I am away from my research material, but I will offer this:

During and following WWII, there was an emergency provision to provide a means to convert an ARA Class IV tank car such as what was done to 97616 by ACF in 1944 to carry relatively lower pressure butane LPG in such cars.  This would free up ICC 105A300W and 400W cars for higher pressure propane LPG.

It is hard to track just when, but the converted cars were rather quickly moved to the 23500 series, freeing up the 97000 series for high pressure cars.  I think this detail is covered in the 1952 roster appendix in the book.

So, in 1954, the 97347 would be an ICC 105A300W car which would be an X-5 UTLX car.

Hope that this is clear.

Steve Hile

-----Original Message-----
From: "Dave Parker via Groups.Io"
Sent: Jan 7, 2019 5:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] UTLX Tank Cars

Al;

There is a typo in Kaminski:  the repair and repaint was done by SHPX in October of 1944, not 1923 (look carefully at the reweigh date).  That  UTLX car number did not exist in the 1920s, or even in 1936.  Steve would know better than I, but it looks like an X-3 from the ACF-built 27825-29324 series that has been refitted as a class IV car (perhaps at the time of the repaint).  I also defer to Steve as to why that car number might have been repurposed in 1951, but I do believe that UTLX did a certain amount of number-shuffling just to frustrate 21st-century tank-car buffs.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: ATSF Tk-N Tk-O tank car models

James SANDIFER
 

They did not do a version suitable for my time, 1952. 

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 9:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Tk-N Tk-O tank car models

 

Is this the model you guys are talking about?

Bill Welch


Re: UTLX Tank Cars

Steve and Barb Hile
 

On the road to Cocoa Beach - Tonight in Louisville, KY.

I am away from my research material, but I will offer this:

During and following WWII, there was an emergency provision to provide a means to convert an ARA Class IV tank car such as what was done to 97616 by ACF in 1944 to carry relatively lower pressure butane LPG in such cars.  This would free up ICC 105A300W and 400W cars for higher pressure propane LPG.

It is hard to track just when, but the converted cars were rather quickly moved to the 23500 series, freeing up the 97000 series for high pressure cars.  I think this detail is covered in the 1952 roster appendix in the book.

So, in 1954, the 97347 would be an ICC 105A300W car which would be an X-5 UTLX car.

Hope that this is clear.

Steve Hile

-----Original Message-----
From: "Dave Parker via Groups.Io"
Sent: Jan 7, 2019 5:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] UTLX Tank Cars

Al;

There is a typo in Kaminski:  the repair and repaint was done by SHPX in October of 1944, not 1923 (look carefully at the reweigh date).  That  UTLX car number did not exist in the 1920s, or even in 1936.  Steve would know better than I, but it looks like an X-3 from the ACF-built 27825-29324 series that has been refitted as a class IV car (perhaps at the time of the repaint).  I also defer to Steve as to why that car number might have been repurposed in 1951, but I do believe that UTLX did a certain amount of number-shuffling just to frustrate 21st-century tank-car buffs.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: ATSF Tk-N Tk-O tank car models

Bill Vaughn
 

Yep

Bill Vaughn

On Monday, January 7, 2019, 7:36:32 PM PST, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:


Is this the model you guys are talking about?

Bill Welch