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Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

Scott H. Haycock
 

I'm going through my stash of old kits and trying to match them to prototypes.

The kit I'm researching is ECW #3010, AAR 70t Undec.

According to the instruction sheet of this kit, The Southern had a series of these cars, # 52000-52169, and the L&N had a series, #26000-26224. This L&N series is apparently ex- NC&StL, which the instruction sheet does not list as an original owner. The instructions are nebulous on whether the model is the Pennsy G26, or the AAR 70t car. 

  My Questions are:  Is this kit accurate for a SOU or L&N/NC&StL car?

Are there any photos online? I've checked the obvious sites with no results.

Are there any drawings of this car available, online or in the hobby magazines?

Scott Haycock 

Re: New RCW kit - 1937 GN wood-sheathed boxcars

Bruce Griffin
 

Group,

i know little to nothing about the GN freight car fleet. I do know GN boxcars where present in 1950 serving a large flour mill on my modeled portion of the B&O. Photos show steel sheathed boxcars. It seems likely that many of these 8,000 cars served in grain service in 1950. Is that a good assumption?  

Maybe it is a dumb question, but I just want to confirm that these cars stayed in clean service for at least ten years. It is a nice looking model and I want to make sure my local freight has some period correct cars for grain service. Thank you for the input. 

Best Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin 
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

Re: Need FGE Book!

Rob M.
 

Not sure that Pat O'Boyle had volumes of FGEX material but what he did offer in O scale brass freight cars was pretty impressive in the fidelity arena for the time period and still well sought after.   Sadly he didn't live to see his FGEX reefers, X25 Box cars or USRA single sheathed full variant projects to fruition.   Considering some of these offerings dated to the mid to late 1980's such as his as-built USRA single and double sheathed cars, they were pretty accurate models.

Anyway,   If Bill's book. which has been mentioned a few times in the past,  offers even a fraction more than his Keystone Modeler special on FGE cars it will be well worth the wait. 

Rob Mondichak

Re: Need FGE Book!

Nelson Moyer
 

I hope it’s not too far ‘down the road’ or I won’t live to see it. Soon would be better.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 7:08 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Need FGE Book!

 

Not true about Boyle. Pat had only collected some material. Rumor naturally expanded this to “well along.”

The book is coming down the road from Bill Welch, and it will be impressive.

Tony Thompson 


On Jan 12, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:

John,

 

Bill Welch is working on this book.  

 

Scott Haycock

 

On January 12, 2019 at 3:11 PM "John Sykes III via Groups.Io" <johnsykesiii@...> wrote:

Not specifically aimed at Tony Thompson, but . . . the model railroading community really needs an FGE reference book.  Similar but smaller than the PFE book.  There is John White's GYF work out there, but there are only a total of 3 or 4 pages devoted to FGE.  I understand that at one point Richard Hendrickson was working on an FGE book but put the project aside.  I do not have the skills or resources to even think about such a project, but someone out there must.  How about the ACL/SAL/Southern bunch?  Uncle Joe?

-- John

Re: Need FGE Book!

Tony Thompson
 

Not true about Boyle. Pat had only collected some material. Rumor naturally expanded this to “well along.”
The book is coming down the road from Bill Welch, and it will be impressive.
Tony Thompson 


On Jan 12, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:

John,


Bill Welch is working on this book.  


Scott Haycock

 

On January 12, 2019 at 3:11 PM "John Sykes III via Groups.Io" <johnsykesiii@...> wrote:

Not specifically aimed at Tony Thompson, but . . . the model railroading community really needs an FGE reference book.  Similar but smaller than the PFE book.  There is John White's GYF work out there, but there are only a total of 3 or 4 pages devoted to FGE.  I understand that at one point Richard Hendrickson was working on an FGE book but put the project aside.  I do not have the skills or resources to even think about such a project, but someone out there must.  How about the ACL/SAL/Southern bunch?  Uncle Joe?

-- John

Re: FS Railway Prototype Cyclopedias

Scott H. Haycock
 

The books have been sold.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
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Re: Need FGE Book!

Scott H. Haycock
 

John,


Bill Welch is working on this book.  


Scott Haycock

 

On January 12, 2019 at 3:11 PM "John Sykes III via Groups.Io" <johnsykesiii@...> wrote:

Not specifically aimed at Tony Thompson, but . . . the model railroading community really needs an FGE reference book.  Similar but smaller than the PFE book.  There is John White's GYF work out there, but there are only a total of 3 or 4 pages devoted to FGE.  I understand that at one point Richard Hendrickson was working on an FGE book but put the project aside.  I do not have the skills or resources to even think about such a project, but someone out there must.  How about the ACL/SAL/Southern bunch?  Uncle Joe?

-- John

Re: Need FGE Book!

al.kresse
 

It was well along.  Patrick O'Boyle, the author died. Somebody else has his materials and the start of the book.


Al Kresse

On January 12, 2019 at 5:11 PM "John Sykes III via Groups.Io" <johnsykesiii@...> wrote:

Not specifically aimed at Tony Thompson, but . . . the model railroading community really needs an FGE reference book.  Similar but smaller than the PFE book.  There is John White's GYF work out there, but there are only a total of 3 or 4 pages devoted to FGE.  I understand that at one point Richard Hendrickson was working on an FGE book but put the project aside.  I do not have the skills or resources to even think about such a project, but someone out there must.  How about the ACL/SAL/Southern bunch?  Uncle Joe?

-- John

Need FGE Book!

John Sykes III
 

Not specifically aimed at Tony Thompson, but . . . the model railroading community really needs an FGE reference book.  Similar but smaller than the PFE book.  There is John White's GYF work out there, but there are only a total of 3 or 4 pages devoted to FGE.  I understand that at one point Richard Hendrickson was working on an FGE book but put the project aside.  I do not have the skills or resources to even think about such a project, but someone out there must.  How about the ACL/SAL/Southern bunch?  Uncle Joe?

-- John

FS HO scale freight cars

Fran Giacoma
 

With the help of this group and a recently acquired ORER, I am adjusting the car fleet on my HO scale September 1956 B&O Shenandoah Sub-division layout. For sale are a few cars that don't fit in:

  1. Accurail steel reefer MDT 12084 Lackawanna - $8
  2. Intermountain boxcar Kansas City Southern KCS 18721 - $15
  3. Kadee boxcar Monon CIL 726 - $15

All are:

  • used but in very good condition
  • have metal wheels, Kadee #148 couplers (trip pins removed), and air hoses
  • do not come in original box
  • come from a smoke free/pet free home
  • are slightly weathered

Shipping/handling extra (continental US only).

Check or money order accepted. Pictures available upon request.

Contact me offline at frangiacoma@... if interested. Thanks.

Fran Giacoma

FS Railway Prototype Cyclopedias

Scott H. Haycock
 

I have the complete set of RPCs in excellent condition. No curled corners, no broken spines, and no tears. 

I would like to sell the complete set for $680.00. That's $20.00 per volume, and I'll pay shipping. Some of these are going for far more on Ebay.  

If I get no buyers by Monday Night, I'll sell individual issues, but at higher prices, and you pay shipping. 

Contact me at shhaycockATcomcastDOTnet. 

Scott Haycock

Re: New RCW kit - 1937 GN wood-sheathed boxcars

Eric Hansmann
 

Direct sales only for Resin Car Works kits. Visit the website. Print out the PDF order form. Complete the form with your mailing info and kit needs. Mail the form to Frank with your payment enclosed. It's old school mail order style.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On January 11, 2019 at 10:58 PM "Walter Cox via Groups.Io" <WaltGCox@...> wrote:

Will any dealers have these cars for sale at the West Springfield, Ma  show Jan 26th &27th.
Walt

In a message dated 1/11/2019 6:57:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, eric@... writes:

Resin Car Works has released an HO scale kit for an iconic Great Northern boxcar. 8000 prototype cars were built between 1937 and 1942. More details can be found in the latest Resin Car Works blog post.. 26 &27

http://blog.resincarworks.com/new-kit-release-2/

 

 

Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy



Re: New RCW kit - 1937 GN wood-sheathed boxcars

Donald B. Valentine
 

Unless things have changed Resin Car Works will not sell through dealers unless 
the dealer pays full price plus shipping. Not much sense for a dealer to do that.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: New RCW kit - 1937 GN wood-sheathed boxcars

Walter Cox
 

Will any dealers have these cars for sale at the West Springfield, Ma  show Jan 26th &27th.
Walt

In a message dated 1/11/2019 6:57:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, eric@... writes:

Resin Car Works has released an HO scale kit for an iconic Great Northern boxcar. 8000 prototype cars were built between 1937 and 1942. More details can be found in the latest Resin Car Works blog post.. 26 &27

http://blog.resincarworks.com/new-kit-release-2/

 

 

Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy

Transit cars in freight trains

Doug Polinder
 

The Emery Gulash Wabash video (from Green Frog) has footage of St. Louis cars moving east in a Wabash train in the late 1950s or early 1960s.

Doug Polinder
Poquoson VA

New RCW kit - 1937 GN wood-sheathed boxcars

Eric Hansmann
 

Resin Car Works has released an HO scale kit for an iconic Great Northern boxcar. 8000 prototype cars were built between 1937 and 1942. More details can be found in the latest Resin Car Works blog post.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/new-kit-release-2/



Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy

Re: CN Eight-Hatch Reefer

John Riddell
 

Bob,

 

The ice and air in the overhead ice tanks was separate from the load.

The air circulation in the 8-hatch overhead bunker cars did not circulate around the 6,500 pounds of crushed ice in the eight shallow overhead ice tanks. The air around the load in the car rose as it warmed, to contact the under sides of the steel overhead tanks. As the air cooled it descended down side wall ducts along the internal sides of the car to the floor of the load and then rise through the load cooling the load. The 8-hatch reefers were described in three articles in RMC – Dec 1995, Jan 1996, Feb 1996.

 

John Riddell

 

 

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Re: Photo: Lehigh Valley Gondola

Bob Chaparro
 

Philip M. Goldstein commented, "Transition car. The coupler on the other end has been changed to H2A to mate to the subway cars. Also, LV 36000 has auxiliary air tanks in the bed."

Parkville Interchange - Brooklyn, NY - March 21, 1965

Note the air reservoir in the gondola. According to Paul Strubeck, that Lehigh Valley gondola was modified for use in hauling subway cars on Lehigh Valley trackage on mainland U.S. and is apparently capable of transition use between

standard AAR couplers (on Class 1 and SBK diesels) and the subway car H2A type couplers.

D. Grotjahn photo

D. Pirmann collection

http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/sbkparkvilleinterchange3.jpg

Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Lehigh Valley Gondola

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 12:00 PM, Edward wrote:
I don't think that transit or subway cars would have been cut into a train for of  freight cars while on their way from the plant to delivery.
They may have been moved as an extra, of 20-30 or so cars at a time and maybe even by night, to avoid potential vandalism along the way.
The further back you go, the less vandalism was a concern. The general population seemed more civilized then. More of a concern was the strength of the underframe; typically transit cars were 'rear end only' type of moves (but still ahead of the caboose) to keep heavy train forces off the cars. The railroads still wanted compatible couplers on both ends, however.

Back in the seventies and eighties we (we being the Illinois Railway Museum) could still get the C&NW to move antique Chicago transit cars retired from work service to the museum in Union, a move of about fifty miles. The Chicago Transit Authority used two different types of couplers on their old air brake cars, the result of being an amalgamation of several predecessor companies. The Van Dorn couplers were no problem, as there was a cast solid knuckle adapter that just pined in, but there is no know adapter from the Sterns & Ward couplers to AAR... so every time we wanted to move a car with S&W couplers, we needed to secure the donation of two more cars with Van Dorns, which had adapter links that worked with the S&W. The last move I recall was in the late eighties, and involved seven cars. The C&NW got so tired of air brake problems that when the cars got to West Chicago, they just ran them up the branch to Union as a special move to get them out of their hair. Now the CTA main rail shops doesn't even have rail service, and all the new cars come in by truck.

Dennis Storzek 

Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Lehigh Valley Gondola

Matt Herson
 

Yes, NYCTA subway cars were run in freight trains.  Attached is a shot on the CNJ at Cranford, NJ 12-64 of Budd built R32 cars with two DL&W gons on both ends.  The gons were equipped with an MCB coupler on one end and the NYCTA coupler on the other.  This allowed the brake pipe to be activated through the subway cars for braking.  The subway cars were always placed at the rear end of the train.  Cars from the various builders were delivered this way.  Have shots of NYCTA cars traveling through Windsor, Ont. On the Wabash.

 

Matt Herson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 3:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Lehigh Valley Gondola

 

I don't think that transit or subway cars would have been cut into a train for of  freight cars while on their way from the plant to delivery.
They may have been moved as an extra, of 20-30 or so cars at a time and maybe even by night, to avoid potential vandalism along the way.
I've yet to see a photo of transit or subway cars in train movement for delivery, other than at a car float or delivery terminal.
Yet there must have been many such movements over the decades from 1905 to the 1990's, from Pullman, Standard Steel, Pressed Steel, St. Louis, ACF and Budd, to the municipalities buying such rolling stock. I think now such cars are shipped individually on flat cars or on highway flat-bed trailers.

The only movements of transit or subway cars I am familiar with through research, is the delivery of 90 motor units and10 trailers from Standard Steel Car to the Staten Island Rapid Transit (B&O New York Terminal subsidiary) in 1925.
The first ten cars left Standard at Hammond IN via NYC to GE's test track and facility at Erie PA in late February 1925.
These were track tested and had the car controls calibrated by GE to vary switching points between series and parallel.
The cars then went to the SIRT Clifton Shops (sans motors and pickups) along with calibration documentation.
They likely went via Erie to NY and car floats to St. George.
The SIRT Clifton Shops installed the traction motors, shoe beams and contact shoes.


The remainder of the contract was shipped in three additional special movements like the first, going by rail directly to Staten Island via Cranford Junction in NJ.
The attached photo shows the second train of sixteen SIRT cars ready to leave the Standard Steel plant for delivery in May, 1925
In shipping, the cars did not have their traction motors, third rail shoe beams or pickup shoes installed.
An AAR coupler and air hoses were fitted to one end of the first car and the back end of the last for the movement. 
Th remainder of the train retained the Westinghouse H-2A type multiple unit electric couplers.  

Ed Bommer




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