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Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

rdgbuff56
 

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On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 8:09 PM, mopacfirst
<ron.merrick@...> wrote:
I have an ECW 3010 kit, unbuilt, which I just discovered contains two complete sets of components. I think I bought this one new.  I also, in the last couple years, bought off eBay an ECW 3000 kit, which is for the PRR G26.  Both are on list of kits to build in the next few years, since I have a steel fabricator on the railroad I'm modeling.

The PRR car is pretty distinctive.  The first rib from each end, and the seventh rib from each end, are wider and the seventh rib from each end extends to the bottom of the fishbelly while the other ribs on the fishbelly portion do not.  I think this kit is relatively rare and I intend to build it.  I also have an unpainted Alco Models one, which I'd pass to someone who'd prefer a brass car.

Naturally, the G26 was thoroughly covered in a TKM issue some time back.

The ECW 3010 "AAR" version has 20 panels and the fishbelly begins at the second panel in from each end.  It has jacking pads just inboard from the first rib, which are visible on the NYC photo referenced above, and which are not on the others.  So perhaps it's closest to the NYC car, except for needing the top chord reinforcement as shown above.  This ECW car has the fishbelly slope spanning five panels, the third through seventh.  I think the Athearn car, like the one in the L&N photo above, has the fishbelly slope spanning only four panels, the third through sixth.

I painted a WAB and an ATSF version of the 65' gon starting with the Athearn model.  I can't find either one on the layout now, so I have to assume they're packed and at my other house.

As for the model itself, I'd compare it to a Sunshine flat kit, albeit perhaps easier to assemble since it has alignment grooves in the sides.  By being molded flat, there is detail on the interior sides and ends.

Ron Merrick


Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

mopacfirst
 

I have an ECW 3010 kit, unbuilt, which I just discovered contains two complete sets of components. I think I bought this one new.  I also, in the last couple years, bought off eBay an ECW 3000 kit, which is for the PRR G26.  Both are on list of kits to build in the next few years, since I have a steel fabricator on the railroad I'm modeling.

The PRR car is pretty distinctive.  The first rib from each end, and the seventh rib from each end, are wider and the seventh rib from each end extends to the bottom of the fishbelly while the other ribs on the fishbelly portion do not.  I think this kit is relatively rare and I intend to build it.  I also have an unpainted Alco Models one, which I'd pass to someone who'd prefer a brass car.

Naturally, the G26 was thoroughly covered in a TKM issue some time back.

The ECW 3010 "AAR" version has 20 panels and the fishbelly begins at the second panel in from each end.  It has jacking pads just inboard from the first rib, which are visible on the NYC photo referenced above, and which are not on the others.  So perhaps it's closest to the NYC car, except for needing the top chord reinforcement as shown above.  This ECW car has the fishbelly slope spanning five panels, the third through seventh.  I think the Athearn car, like the one in the L&N photo above, has the fishbelly slope spanning only four panels, the third through sixth.

I painted a WAB and an ATSF version of the 65' gon starting with the Athearn model.  I can't find either one on the layout now, so I have to assume they're packed and at my other house.

As for the model itself, I'd compare it to a Sunshine flat kit, albeit perhaps easier to assemble since it has alignment grooves in the sides.  By being molded flat, there is detail on the interior sides and ends.

Ron Merrick


Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

Bill Welch
 
Edited

Using the correct replacement ends available from Speedwitch the Athearn 65-foot mill gon is correct for SAL, L&N, and NC&StL. The ECW kit is not correct. Speedwitch also have the correct decals for these cars.

Bill Welch


Re: Help With Lettering

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Tim,
 
Looks to me like the complete text reads:
 
EQUIPPED WITH AUTOMATIC BRAKE
SLACK ADJUSTER, TO RENEW SHOES
DISENGAGE BOTH PAWLS ON
ADJUSTER. PUSH FLOATING
LEVER FORWARD.
RENEW SHOES, REENGAGE PAWLS
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Tim Meyer
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 7:58 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Help With Lettering
 

[Edited Message Follows]

Hi

I am working on a 1/8th scale CNW gondola. I need help figuring out the lettering for the Slack Adjuster. This is what I figured out so far.

EQUIPPED WITH AUTOMATIC BRAKE
SLACK ADJUSTER, TO RENEW SHOES
                      BOTH PAWLS ON
ADJUSTER. PUSH FLOATING
LEVER FORWARD.
RENEW SHOES,                 PAWLS


Thanks

Tim Meyer







Re: Help With Lettering

Tim Meyer
 

Thanks Paul

I am sure that you got it.

Tim Meyer


Re: Help With Lettering

Paul Woods <paul@...>
 

Third line looks something like DISENGAGE BOTH PAWLS ON

Pretty sure last line is RENEW SHOES. REENGAGE PAWLS

Regards
Paul


Re: FGEX Truss-Rod Reefer Question

gary laakso
 

Prototype Railroad Modeling Volume Two features a Bill Welch article that includes a picture of the steel frame, truss rods and trucks without the car body at page 63.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of gtws00 via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 5:43 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] FGEX Truss-Rod Reefer Question

 

I am in the process of starting to build the Chicagoland RPM mini-kit from the 2018 meet. This was a FGEX Reefer series 14000-14998 that had truss rods and a steel reinforced centersill and originally came from the Baltimore and Ohio.  I am looking to improve on the detail of these kits and I am looking for in particular any underframe information for these cars. Does anyone have any drawings or photos showing more detail of the underframe construction? I am most curious about the placement of the floor stringers and the reinforced centersill. 

Thanks

George Toman


Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

anthony wagner
 

Scott, I recently built a PRR G-26 version of this car for a PRR based layout a friend and I are building and an AAR version that will be lettered for P&LE. ECW produced two versions of this car differing in the side and ladder details. I checked my 1-1-50 ORER and found that SOU had two versions. 52000-52149 150 cars were 65'0" IL and 318000-318149 150 cars were 65'6" IL. NC&StL had 25 of the 65'6" IL cars in series 41000-41024 and L&N two groups 25000-25099 and 25100-25299 for a total of 299 of the 65'6" IL cars. I have no photos of the NC&StL car and the attached L&N car must have been from a series built later than 1950. I have included a photo of a PRR G-26 and an NYC car which closely followed the AAR design to illustrate the differences in the side stakes and side grab irons. Tony Wagner

On Sunday, January 13, 2019, 3:21:11 AM CST, Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:


I'm going through my stash of old kits and trying to match them to prototypes.

The kit I'm researching is ECW #3010, AAR 70t Undec.

According to the instruction sheet of this kit, The Southern had a series of these cars, # 52000-52169, and the L&N had a series, #26000-26224. This L&N series is apparently ex- NC&StL, which the instruction sheet does not list as an original owner. The instructions are nebulous on whether the model is the Pennsy G26, or the AAR 70t car. 

  My Questions are:  Is this kit accurate for a SOU or L&N/NC&StL car?

Are there any photos online? I've checked the obvious sites with no results.

Are there any drawings of this car available, online or in the hobby magazines?

Scott Haycock 


Re: FGEX Truss-Rod Reefer Question

Eric Hansmann
 

The mini-kit instructions have a few prototype images but there are no images the fully illustrate the underframe details.

http://resincarworks.com/extras/instructions_mini-kit2-01_FGEXrb.pdf


Eric Hansmann

RCW web guy

On January 13, 2019 at 6:42 AM "gtws00 via Groups.Io" <gtws00@...> wrote:

I am in the process of starting to build the Chicagoland RPM mini-kit from the 2018 meet. This was a FGEX Reefer series 14000-14998 that had truss rods and a steel reinforced centersill and originally came from the Baltimore and Ohio.  I am looking to improve on the detail of these kits and I am looking for in particular any underframe information for these cars. Does anyone have any drawings or photos showing more detail of the underframe construction? I am most curious about the placement of the floor stringers and the reinforced centersill.  

Thanks

George Toman


FGEX Truss-Rod Reefer Question

gtws00
 

I am in the process of starting to build the Chicagoland RPM mini-kit from the 2018 meet. This was a FGEX Reefer series 14000-14998 that had truss rods and a steel reinforced centersill and originally came from the Baltimore and Ohio.  I am looking to improve on the detail of these kits and I am looking for in particular any underframe information for these cars. Does anyone have any drawings or photos showing more detail of the underframe construction? I am most curious about the placement of the floor stringers and the reinforced centersill.  

Thanks

George Toman


Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Steve,

To paraphrase Obi-Wan, "Are these the gondolas you seek?": http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/sout/sout52347agd.jpg

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 1/13/19 4:21 AM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:
I'm going through my stash of old kits and trying to match them to prototypes.

The kit I'm researching is ECW #3010, AAR 70t Undec.

According to the instruction sheet of this kit, The Southern had a series of these cars, # 52000-52169, and the L&N had a series, #26000-26224. This L&N series is apparently ex- NC&StL, which the instruction sheet does not list as an original owner. The instructions are nebulous on whether the model is the Pennsy G26, or the AAR 70t car. 

  My Questions are:  Is this kit accurate for a SOU or L&N/NC&StL car?

Are there any photos online? I've checked the obvious sites with no results.

Are there any drawings of this car available, online or in the hobby magazines?

Scott Haycock 


Help With Lettering

Tim Meyer
 
Edited

Hi

I am working on a 1/8th scale CNW gondola. I need help figuring out the lettering for the Slack Adjuster. This is what I figured out so far.

EQUIPPED WITH AUTOMATIC BRAKE
SLACK ADJUSTER, TO RENEW SHOES
                      BOTH PAWLS ON
ADJUSTER. PUSH FLOATING
LEVER FORWARD.
RENEW SHOES,                 PAWLS


Thanks

Tim Meyer







Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

Scott H. Haycock
 

I'm going through my stash of old kits and trying to match them to prototypes.

The kit I'm researching is ECW #3010, AAR 70t Undec.

According to the instruction sheet of this kit, The Southern had a series of these cars, # 52000-52169, and the L&N had a series, #26000-26224. This L&N series is apparently ex- NC&StL, which the instruction sheet does not list as an original owner. The instructions are nebulous on whether the model is the Pennsy G26, or the AAR 70t car. 

  My Questions are:  Is this kit accurate for a SOU or L&N/NC&StL car?

Are there any photos online? I've checked the obvious sites with no results.

Are there any drawings of this car available, online or in the hobby magazines?

Scott Haycock 


Re: New RCW kit - 1937 GN wood-sheathed boxcars

Bruce Griffin
 

Group,

i know little to nothing about the GN freight car fleet. I do know GN boxcars where present in 1950 serving a large flour mill on my modeled portion of the B&O. Photos show steel sheathed boxcars. It seems likely that many of these 8,000 cars served in grain service in 1950. Is that a good assumption?  

Maybe it is a dumb question, but I just want to confirm that these cars stayed in clean service for at least ten years. It is a nice looking model and I want to make sure my local freight has some period correct cars for grain service. Thank you for the input. 

Best Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin 
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/


Re: Need FGE Book!

Rob M.
 

Not sure that Pat O'Boyle had volumes of FGEX material but what he did offer in O scale brass freight cars was pretty impressive in the fidelity arena for the time period and still well sought after.   Sadly he didn't live to see his FGEX reefers, X25 Box cars or USRA single sheathed full variant projects to fruition.   Considering some of these offerings dated to the mid to late 1980's such as his as-built USRA single and double sheathed cars, they were pretty accurate models.

Anyway,   If Bill's book. which has been mentioned a few times in the past,  offers even a fraction more than his Keystone Modeler special on FGE cars it will be well worth the wait. 

Rob Mondichak


Re: Need FGE Book!

Nelson Moyer
 

I hope it’s not too far ‘down the road’ or I won’t live to see it. Soon would be better.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 7:08 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Need FGE Book!

 

Not true about Boyle. Pat had only collected some material. Rumor naturally expanded this to “well along.”

The book is coming down the road from Bill Welch, and it will be impressive.

Tony Thompson 


On Jan 12, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:

John,

 

Bill Welch is working on this book.  

 

Scott Haycock

 

On January 12, 2019 at 3:11 PM "John Sykes III via Groups.Io" <johnsykesiii@...> wrote:

Not specifically aimed at Tony Thompson, but . . . the model railroading community really needs an FGE reference book.  Similar but smaller than the PFE book.  There is John White's GYF work out there, but there are only a total of 3 or 4 pages devoted to FGE.  I understand that at one point Richard Hendrickson was working on an FGE book but put the project aside.  I do not have the skills or resources to even think about such a project, but someone out there must.  How about the ACL/SAL/Southern bunch?  Uncle Joe?

-- John


Re: Need FGE Book!

Tony Thompson
 

Not true about Boyle. Pat had only collected some material. Rumor naturally expanded this to “well along.”
The book is coming down the road from Bill Welch, and it will be impressive.
Tony Thompson 


On Jan 12, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:

John,


Bill Welch is working on this book.  


Scott Haycock

 

On January 12, 2019 at 3:11 PM "John Sykes III via Groups.Io" <johnsykesiii@...> wrote:

Not specifically aimed at Tony Thompson, but . . . the model railroading community really needs an FGE reference book.  Similar but smaller than the PFE book.  There is John White's GYF work out there, but there are only a total of 3 or 4 pages devoted to FGE.  I understand that at one point Richard Hendrickson was working on an FGE book but put the project aside.  I do not have the skills or resources to even think about such a project, but someone out there must.  How about the ACL/SAL/Southern bunch?  Uncle Joe?

-- John


Re: FS Railway Prototype Cyclopedias

Scott H. Haycock
 

The books have been sold.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent


Re: Need FGE Book!

Scott H. Haycock
 

John,


Bill Welch is working on this book.  


Scott Haycock

 

On January 12, 2019 at 3:11 PM "John Sykes III via Groups.Io" <johnsykesiii@...> wrote:

Not specifically aimed at Tony Thompson, but . . . the model railroading community really needs an FGE reference book.  Similar but smaller than the PFE book.  There is John White's GYF work out there, but there are only a total of 3 or 4 pages devoted to FGE.  I understand that at one point Richard Hendrickson was working on an FGE book but put the project aside.  I do not have the skills or resources to even think about such a project, but someone out there must.  How about the ACL/SAL/Southern bunch?  Uncle Joe?

-- John


Re: Need FGE Book!

al.kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

It was well along.  Patrick O'Boyle, the author died. Somebody else has his materials and the start of the book.


Al Kresse

On January 12, 2019 at 5:11 PM "John Sykes III via Groups.Io" <johnsykesiii@...> wrote:

Not specifically aimed at Tony Thompson, but . . . the model railroading community really needs an FGE reference book.  Similar but smaller than the PFE book.  There is John White's GYF work out there, but there are only a total of 3 or 4 pages devoted to FGE.  I understand that at one point Richard Hendrickson was working on an FGE book but put the project aside.  I do not have the skills or resources to even think about such a project, but someone out there must.  How about the ACL/SAL/Southern bunch?  Uncle Joe?

-- John

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