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Red Caboose DODX Tank Cars

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

If you've ever wondered where prototypes for the old Red Caboose tank car operated, look no further. The attached photo was taken circa 1983 in Beaufort, North Carolina on the Beaufort & Morehead Railroad ("The Route of the Jets").  I'm not entirely sure of where these cars were going, but probably between a tanker terminal on near-by Radio Island and Camp Lejeune. There were dozens of these tankers that day, as well as some other types. I'm reasonably sure they were carrying aviation fuel.
Of course, these cars were used other places as well.

This was of course several years before the RC kit appeared, and to me at the time these were just ho-hum tank cars. It was the Whitcombs I was after. (Sigh!).

Enjoy the photo.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


Re: L&N USRA gondolas

Tony Thompson
 

Thanks, Ben.
Tony


On Jan 16, 2019, at 7:10 PM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Tony Thompson asked:
"I know that L&N received 1000 USRA drop-bottom gondolas, numbered 74000-74999, and by 1923 had acquired 1000 more with identical dimensions, 73000-73999. Were the second group in fact USRA clones? Their identical dimensions suggest that, but I'd like to know before undertaking modeling."

These were copies of the USRA composite design built 1922-1923 by the Chickasaw Shipbuilding and Car Company of Fairfield, Alabama.


Ben Hom


Re: L&N USRA gondolas

Benjamin Hom
 

Tony Thompson asked:
"I know that L&N received 1000 USRA drop-bottom gondolas, numbered 74000-74999, and by 1923 had acquired 1000 more with identical dimensions, 73000-73999. Were the second group in fact USRA clones? Their identical dimensions suggest that, but I'd like to know before undertaking modeling."

These were copies of the USRA composite design built 1922-1923 by the Chickasaw Shipbuilding and Car Company of Fairfield, Alabama.


Ben Hom


L&N USRA gondolas

Tony Thompson
 

I know that L&N received 1000 USRA drop-bottom gondolas, numbered 74000-74999, and by 1923 had acquired 1000 more with identical dimensions, 73000-73999. Were the second group in fact USRA clones? Their identical dimensions suggest that, but I'd like to know before undertaking modeling. Thanks for any help.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Lake States Photo Collection

Bill Welch
 

David, thank you for sorting through the tank cars and providing some guidance. Regarding "Mid-1920s GATC with Gulf-style tank anchors" I am curious why you characterized them as "Gulf-style tank anchors?" I am not challenging you, just curious. With the help of Peter Aue design skills I was able to have these as photo-etch parts with the Semet-Solvay AC&F kit I did for Yarmouth.

Regarding "
Gulf USRA-derivative tank" maybe the Gould/Tichy kit can have a life.

Bill Welch



Lake States Photo Collection

David
 

Tank car fun:

Mid-1920s GATC with Gulf-style tank anchors
https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-fZF9btb/A

High-angle PTC
https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-LwFMpXv/A

ACF Type 26
https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-HQLhRft/A

Another number for the Tangent 1917 tank
https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-jVTH7k3/A

Both types of PTC tank saddles
https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-zrsZFLT/A

Pre-1917 GATC
https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-zZsnSdq/A

One of the last riveted "generic" Type 27s?
https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-gXgzgxT/A

Gulf USRA-derivative tank
https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-KTX6r8d/A

Earlier PTC saddle
https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-sn4kR6k/A
https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-4k84Smb/A

ACF Type 17
https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-NCc9H72/A

ACF Type 25?
https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-NddhXcR/A

UTLX oddball
https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-vMSvWjN/A

Three-course radial X-3?
https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-nCxZTjB/A

12k GATC-built Gulf
https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-8NtJGv7/A

Standard Car Construction STC tank
https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-wZMRfKj/A

David Thompson


Re: What Is Wet Pulp Service?

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 12:37 PM, Charles Peck wrote:
Wet pulp would be an intermediate step in making paper.
First processed in one location, finish elsewhere.
Chuck Peck
And apparently rather common in the Wisconsin paper making region; when one mill had excess pulping capacity, they'd sell "merchant pulp" to the other mills. Both C&NW and the Soo had insulated cars in the service.

Dennis Storzek
 


Re: What Is Wet Pulp Service?

Allen Montgomery
 

All I know is that the C&NW used insulated cars for wet pulp to the paper mills so they didn't freeze in the winter. Going to go with something like that here...


Allen Montgomery



On Wednesday, January 16, 2019, 12:39:26 PM MST, Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


URTX 100757 has this stenciled on the car side: Ice Or Wet Pulp Service

Photo:

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-brxhLQR/A

What is wet pulp service?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: What Is Wet Pulp Service?

Charles Peck
 

Wet pulp would be an intermediate step in making paper.
First processed in one location, finish elsewhere.
Chuck Peck

On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 2:39 PM Bob Chaparro <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

URTX 100757 has this stenciled on the car side: Ice Or Wet Pulp Service

Photo:

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-brxhLQR/A

What is wet pulp service?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photos: Vinegar Car

Bob Chaparro
 


What Is Wet Pulp Service?

Bob Chaparro
 

URTX 100757 has this stenciled on the car side: Ice Or Wet Pulp Service

Photo:

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-brxhLQR/A

What is wet pulp service?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photos: Livestock Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Below are links to photos of livestock cars from the Lakes States Railway Historical Association. The photos are watermarked. The photos (prints and downloads) are available for sale.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

++++

ATSF

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-dptSgW6/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-xKdKJfZ/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-tD55bP8/A

Canadian Pacific

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-Tt9SCft/A

D&RGW

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-Z5DNn8N/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-7QLvcTh/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-7gnk86B/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-HKdNQcq/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-PbmtkhR/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-J3ncZtd/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-fjCXvdk/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-7zgVxrf/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-RRqdt6T/A

Illinois Central

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-zVNbKzh/A

North American Car Co.

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-8hJhtmR/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-vZVQmZC/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-HHCsrkM/A

Pacific Great Eastern

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-SD6rJmQ/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-bdrnKLw/A

SOO

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-3zMQRtp/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-3xwz3T4/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-kgc43TP/A

Union Pacific

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-RkGpVfJ/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-sNLS4FD/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-Bd2FPGf/A

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-VRgZGSF/A

 


Re: Ron Merrill

mopacfirst
 

Replied privately.

Ron Merrick


C&O hopper upgrades

Eric Hansmann
 

Bruce Smith shares his work on updating an HO scale resin hopper car kit. It's a Workbench Wednesday post on the Resin Car Works blog.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/workbench-wednesday-20/



Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


HO 4/4 early Dreadnaught Reefer ends (R-40-10)

Andy Carlson
 

I came across 2 pairs of the title ends, made for the Intermountain reefer. I seem to recall someone earlier this month mentioned these ends. These ends are square corner and are inside-beveled to fit in to the reefer car body, though the beveled portion would not be seen on a car.

If that person still needs these, let me know at <midcentury@...>.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Ron Merrill

rdgbuff56
 

I have been trying every which way to contact Ron Merrill.  I would like to know what he wants for his PRR G32C gondola.  I know he is a member of this group.  Any help appreciated.

Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.


Re: Lake States Photo Collection

Bruce Smith
 

Or the entire archive... at https://www.lakestatesarchive.org​  to make it worse ;)


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Welch <fgexbill@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:11 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Lake States Photo Collection
 
I went looking for the website that Jim Singer did a presentation about at CCB 2019. Not sure if this is collection he covered but many, many freight cars. They are from the 1960's but many from our period. Go crazy: https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/

Bill Welch


Re: Bx-11 help

Steve SANDIFER
 

I have three photos taken by Frank Ellington in 1973 of BX-12 128898 after converted to grain service with the two small roof hatches – it had round roof. It appears to be in MOW service as the last weight date was 1954. Under the number is stenciled Condemned TS 5 73. There are a couple of holes in the sheathing.  

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of mopacfirst
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 11:56 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Bx-11 help

 

Steve:

I'm going to have to re-read that part about 10' height Bx-11s being re-roofed.  I'm not sure I saw that before.  I wonder if that means all the cars that were not in the zinc concentrate service.  Those seemed to be treated separately.

http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf41222jpa.jpg

But some of those cars must have escaped, since here's one that has had the little square symbol painted out.  So maybe one could have ended up on the MoPac during the grain rush.

http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf41335ajs.jpg

From my personal observation, all the ones I ever saw were the 10'-6" ones, and as far as I recall, they were all Bx12, which would make sense given the quantity.  I may even have a photo or two.

I'm definitely doing two of those, I'm just trying to decide what to do about the third one.  I can tell that I shouldn't give it an original roof height, based on the 1960 target date.  I haven't looked at the Stephen Priest boxcar book yet either, maybe that will be useful.

As for the steel rebuild ones, that project is out there somewhere......

Ron Merrick


Lake States Photo Collection

Bill Welch
 

I went looking for the website that Jim Singer did a presentation about at CCB 2019. Not sure if this is collection he covered but many, many freight cars. They are from the 1960's but many from our period. Go crazy: https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/

Bill Welch


SEEKING HELP ON SP B-50-16 AUTO CARS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


Quite a while ago I started a Sunshine Southern Pacific B-50-16 auto car.  I completed the basic car body and set it aside while trying to find the correct brake wheel.  I recently returned to the project and discovered that I had used the wrong roof.  The car should have had a diagonal panel roof.  Thanks to Andy Carlson this was corrected.  

I seem to recall a while back (right or wrong) that the kit had the wrong under frame.  My kit under frame has gone missing.  Doer anyone have or know of an 
Under frame diagram for this car?

Thanks in advance for any help

Looking forward to hearing reports on Coco Beach.  Sorry I wasn't there.

Bill Pardie


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