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Re: Modeling a Lever Hand Brake

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 12:33 PM, Bruce Griffin wrote:
i think the closest to this prototype is actually the Accurail USRA 55 ton hopper brake lever part.
Here is the Blackall part as used on the USRA cars, lower left:



At the bottom of the staff it has a standard ratchet and pawl. The phantom view shows  the internal ratchet mechanism; raising the lever engages the teeth so the handle can turn the staff. Dropping the lever automatically raises the top casting, thereby disengaging the teeth so the lever doesn't fly around as the brakes release.

This was once a separate part in the Accurail USRA twin hopper kit, but only the upper casting and lever, the staff was molded to the car end sheet. The part was tiny and we had many complaints, so we eventually tooled it into the end sheet. For years the part was on the parts sprue, but it didn't always fill, and since it was no longer needed for the kit, this was no longer an issue. It doesn't show in the illustration of the USRA hopper parts sprue, but it may have been trimmed off so people don't think they are missing a part. It may actually still be on the parts sprue, but like I said, it may not be completely filled. 

It's a pretty simple part, not too bad to model from tubing and wire as someone else mentioned.

Dennis Storzek
Accurail, Inc.


Re: Modeling a Lever Hand Brake

Bruce Griffin
 

Group,

i think the closest to this prototype is actually the Accurail USRA 55 ton hopper brake lever part. Most of the other parts suggested use a chain at the mechanism and a bell crank at the sill while offering mechanical advantage. The lever in the photo is used to turn the brake staff and the chain tightens on the bottom of the shaft.  It looks like the lever handle folds up to horizontal to turn the shaft and the ratchet above the end sill allows the handle to to swing back when it fouls with the end boards. Thank you for the insights. 

Best Regards,
Bruce Griffin
Ashland, MD


Re: Modeling a Lever Hand Brake

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

This is my observation as well.  I am also seeking the rotary type.

Bill Pardie.


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From: Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
Date: 1/23/19 8:40 AM (GMT-10:00)
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Modeling a Lever Hand Brake

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 06:58 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
Moloco.  Nice parts. 

Where? This is all I see

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1032/8967/products/file_15_1024x1024.jpeg?v=1445453443

The only "lever" I see is a modern Minor pump style lever gear. Am I missing something?

The modern lever brakes have are high power brakes where one pumps the lever up and down to wind in the chain. The question was about the old rotary motion hand brakes, where one lifted the lever, then swung it from side to side, using the pawl and ratchet to hold tension while the handle was reset for another pull. Not the same thing at all. One of the original photos asked about appeared to be the Blackall style used on the USRA "government" cars. The other, with the enclosed handle on the lever, appears to be a Miner product. As far as I know neither is currently made, although Accurail had the Blackall style in their USRA hopper set years ago.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Modeling a Lever Hand Brake

Tim O'Connor
 


Nice! And very economical too. :-)


On 1/22/2019 9:41 PM, Rich C via Groups.Io wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2019, 8:20:56 PM CST, John Sykes III via Groups.Io <johnsykesiii@...> wrote:


Not sure (they are in one of my parts drawers) but I think it was Moloco that I ordered a bunch of different lever hand brakes from.  Or maybe it was Tangent, but I know I have about 4 or 5 different styles.

-- John



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: black doors on C&O box cars

vapeurchapelon
 

Ed, Larry, Ray,
 
many thanks for your valued input! Seems that a car with black doors could fairly easily be seen during the years I am modeling.
 
Many greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Januar 2019 um 18:24 Uhr
Von: "Ray Breyer via Groups.Io" <rtbsvrr69@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] black doors on C&O box cars
>>>sometime around 1930 C&O began to paint the doors on some box cars black, but after WWII 
>>>this has ended I have been told But I don't know the year. Can someone help out?
 
>>Based on ACF & Pullman-Standard paint specs and good builder photos for C&O box & auto cars, I can help to narrow the range to 3-years 
>>(8-37 to 10-40) when the change of door color took place. Perhaps others will be able to further narrow, such as a revision date...
>>6500-6549 ACF, 6-34: black doors (paint specs)
>>6400-6499, P-S, 1-36: black doors (paint specs)
>>4500-4999, P-S, 11-36: black doors (paint specs)
>>5000-5499, GATC, 7-37/8-37: black doors (builder photos)
>>3000-3299, ACF, 10-40: metallic brown doors (paint specs)
>>Other ACF & P-S paint specs for box & auto cars built from 10-40 to 1956 denoted brown doors. 
>>Ed Hawkins
 
 
Hi guys, 
 
Remember that the black doors wasn't just a C&O requirement, they were an AMC specification. Formed in late 1928, the Advisory Mechanical Committee jumped right into standardizing equipment across all of the Van Sweringen holdings, including the C&O, Erie, NKP, HV, MP, and PM. Some standards stuck, some didn't.
The black door "thng" was one that only ever partially stuck. It was apparently a real standard at one time across all of the AMC roads, but relatively few cars were ever delivered with them. Few photos of AMC cars in service with black doors have surfaced, and they disappeared completely by the end of WWII.
The first confirmed black doors were delivered in mid-1929 on Erie cars, and in 1930 on C&O. The last delivery on C&O cars seems to be in 1937, and the absolute last were in early 1940 on Erie cars.
 
I breezed through my AMC boxcar photos; below is a list of builder's photos, the cars, their build dates, and what color their doors were. Notice that there's little consistency; I'm not sure if that's because the railroads themselves couldn't make up their minds, or if there was bad communication and QA control between the railroads and the builders.
 
Erie 68000, 10/1928 (brown)
Erie 97250, 11/1928 (brown)
 
Erie 97500, 8/1929 (black)
NKP 22249, 10/1929 (black)
NKP 22449, 11/1929 (black)
 
Erie 75656, 2/1930 (black)
Erie 75893, 3/1930 (black)
PM 82450, 7/1930 (black)
C&O 8000, 8/1930 (black)
Erie 76173, 8/1930 (black)
PM 90991, 8/1930 (brown)
Erie 98199, 9/1930 (brown)
Erie 68199, 10/1930 (brown
 
Erie 98200, 6/1934 (black)
NKP 13026, 6/1934 (black)
C&O 7299, 7/1934 (brown)
Erie 68200, 7/1934 (black)
NKP 13399, 7/1934 (brown)
Erie 76949, 9/1934 (black)
 
Erie 96700, 7/1936 (black)
Erie 78249, 8/1936 (brown)
Erie 96900, 8/1936 (brown)
PM 86316, 9/1936 (in service, black)
PM 71294, 10/1936 (black)
PM 93162, 10/1936 (black)
PM 93368, 10/1936 (black)
C&O 4246, 11/1936 (black)
 
C&O 4891, 1/1937 (brown)
 
NKP 87000, 6/1937 (black)
NKP 87046, 6/1937 (black)
PM 89530, 6/1937 (in service, black)
C&O 5249, 7/1937 (brown)
C&O 5290, 7/1937 (black)
C&O 5400, 8/1937 (black)
 
C&O 9699, 6/1939 (brown)
 
Erie 78500, 1/1940 (brown)
Erie 79000, 2/1940 (black)
Erie 82525, 7/1940 (brown)
 
PM 83551, 2/1941 (brown)
Erie 80000, 3/1941 (brown)
Erie 65000, 3/1941 (brown)
NKP 20241, 3/1941 (brown)
Erie 97261, 5/1941 (brown)
C&O 10999, 6/1941 (brown)
Erie 97261, 9/1941 (brown)
NKP 16107, 9/1941 (brown)
PM 72197, 9/1941 (brown)
 
 
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL
 
 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Modeling a Lever Hand Brake

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Dennis;

I had a set of tables going awhile ago, to keep track of detail parts. As far as I know, no one has made that type of handbrake in anything other than "blob" form in half profile, on old plastic models. I scratchbuilt a pair of these ages ago, and it was not that bad: wire, styrene, bent wire and putty hand piece, chain, and so on. I believe I got gears from a parts box.

Elden Gatwood

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On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 06:58 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:


Moloco. Nice parts.


Where? This is all I see

Blockedhttps://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1032/8967/products/file_15_1024x1024.jpeg?v=1445453443

The only "lever" I see is a modern Minor pump style lever gear. Am I missing something?

The modern lever brakes have are high power brakes where one pumps the lever up and down to wind in the chain. The question was about the old rotary motion hand brakes, where one lifted the lever, then swung it from side to side, using the pawl and ratchet to hold tension while the handle was reset for another pull. Not the same thing at all. One of the original photos asked about appeared to be the Blackall style used on the USRA "government" cars. The other, with the enclosed handle on the lever, appears to be a Miner product. As far as I know neither is currently made, although Accurail had the Blackall style in their USRA hopper set years ago.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Modeling a Lever Hand Brake

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 06:58 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
Moloco.  Nice parts. 

Where? This is all I see

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1032/8967/products/file_15_1024x1024.jpeg?v=1445453443

The only "lever" I see is a modern Minor pump style lever gear. Am I missing something?

The modern lever brakes have are high power brakes where one pumps the lever up and down to wind in the chain. The question was about the old rotary motion hand brakes, where one lifted the lever, then swung it from side to side, using the pawl and ratchet to hold tension while the handle was reset for another pull. Not the same thing at all. One of the original photos asked about appeared to be the Blackall style used on the USRA "government" cars. The other, with the enclosed handle on the lever, appears to be a Miner product. As far as I know neither is currently made, although Accurail had the Blackall style in their USRA hopper set years ago.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Alexander scale models

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 1/23/2019 10:00 AM, Louis Van Winkle wrote:
Alexander was sold to Tomar Industries of Benton Harbor, MI

    Just looked up and Tomar has been sold also.  Apparently Alexander casting have not been available as the notice seems to indicate that the new owners want to start doing the Alexander castings again.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Alexander scale models

Louis Van Winkle
 

Alexander was sold to Tomar Industries of Benton Harbor, MI
I used to do the metal casting at Alexander back in the 1970's.
Sure made a lot of doors and windows !!

Lou Van Winkle


Re: Alexander scale models

Larry Smith
 

They still do go to Tomar and look it up.

Larry Smith

On Wednesday, January 23, 2019, 11:35:44 AM CST, ken chapin <alcobackshop@...> wrote:


Anyone know what happened to them, they sold a lot of detail parts. Ken
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On 1/23/19, 11:16 AM Jon Miller <atsfus@...> wrote:
On 1/23/2019 9:08 AM, Pierre Oliver wrote:
The engine house kit was a ripoff of FSM John Allen's engine house, btw.

You can get FSM instructions at https://www.hoseeker.com/

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Alexander scale models

ken chapin
 

Anyone know what happened to them, they sold a lot of detail parts. Ken
--
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On 1/23/19, 11:16 AM Jon Miller <atsfus@...> wrote:
On 1/23/2019 9:08 AM, Pierre Oliver wrote:
The engine house kit was a ripoff of FSM John Allen's engine house, btw.

You can get FSM instructions at https://www.hoseeker.com/

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Paige Enterprises 2-Stall Branchline Enginehouse kit instructions

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 1/23/2019 9:08 AM, Pierre Oliver wrote:
The engine house kit was a ripoff of FSM John Allen's engine house, btw.

You can get FSM instructions at https://www.hoseeker.com/

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Paige Enterprises 2-Stall Branchline Enginehouse kit instructions

Pierre Oliver
 

The engine house kit was a ripoff of FSM John Allen's engine house, btw.
I also remember the ads in the periodicals at the time from SS Ltd and FSM, stating that they would closeup shop if Paige didn't cease and if modelers kept buying his stuff

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 1/23/19 12:04 p.m., Jon Miller wrote:

On 1/23/2019 8:57 AM, Pierre Oliver wrote:
Isn't Paige Enterprises the guy who was ripping off SS Ltd and Fine Scale Miniatures kits and details back in the '70s?

    Yes and the reason they started to copyright the castings.  That said it's probably easier to find or hunt for the SS Ltd instructions for the same item.  I think it will be very hard to find Paige instructions.  As a side note the casting were not anywhere near the quality of SS.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Paige Enterprises 2-Stall Branchline Enginehouse kit instructions

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 1/23/2019 8:57 AM, Pierre Oliver wrote:
Isn't Paige Enterprises the guy who was ripping off SS Ltd and Fine Scale Miniatures kits and details back in the '70s?

    Yes and the reason they started to copyright the castings.  That said it's probably easier to find or hunt for the SS Ltd instructions for the same item.  I think it will be very hard to find Paige instructions.  As a side note the casting were not anywhere near the quality of SS.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Paige Enterprises 2-Stall Branchline Enginehouse kit instructions

Pierre Oliver
 

Isn't Paige Enterprises the guy who was ripping off SS Ltd and Fine Scale Miniatures kits and details back in the '70s?

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 1/23/19 11:47 a.m., billvolner wrote:

Anyone out there have the assembly instructions for the Paige Enterprises Branchline Enginehouse kit that they would be willing to send me?  I could try assembly without them but thought someone in the group could help me.  Thanks.

Bill Volner 


Paige Enterprises 2-Stall Branchline Enginehouse kit instructions

billvolner
 

Anyone out there have the assembly instructions for the Paige Enterprises Branchline Enginehouse kit that they would be willing to send me?  I could try assembly without them but thought someone in the group could help me.  Thanks.

Bill Volner 


Re: NYC gons

Ted Schnepf
 

F&C makes a NYC, USRA, 9 panel,  gon clone with steel sides.  NYC also had composite USRA gons that had lever type brake "wheels".  The F&E gon, as built, with K brake, would have had either a brake wheel or a lever type brake.  Which was correct for as built, steel gons?

thanks in advance.

ted


Re: Just a reminderif you are thinking of a new Airbrush

Bill Welch
 

Just letting people know Don and yes my experience and mileage does vary.

Bill Welch


Re: Just a reminderif you are thinking of a new Airbrush

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

3a. 
Just a reminderif you are thinking of a new Airbrush 
From: Bill Welch
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 07:42:27 PST 

Today is the last day to purchase just about any Badger AB for $55: http://www.badgerairbrush.com/Special_Offers.asp

Not connected to Badger but a fan.

Bill Welch


Some of us are and some of us are not , Bill.  I will never own a Badger or use Badger paint as long as 
Paasche is still offering air brushes and Scalecoat and Tru-Color are still offering paint. Too many horror
shows with Badger. YMMV

My best, Don Valentine


Re: Modeling a Lever Hand Brake

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Moloco.  Nice parts.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Sykes III via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 9:21 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Modeling a Lever Hand Brake

 

Not sure (they are in one of my parts drawers) but I think it was Moloco that I ordered a bunch of different lever hand brakes from.  Or maybe it was Tangent, but I know I have about 4 or 5 different styles.

-- John

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