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Broadway C&O ARA 70 ton hopper

Curt Fortenberry
 


This is the Broadway Limited ARA 70 ton hopper that I relettered in the For Progress scheme.  Admittedly this was a decal project and not a detailing project.  BLI did these in original roman lettering, and in going through all my sources, I could not find any of these car in the scheme shown.  This is C&O series 71500-72999, and all the photos I found, dating well into the 60's, show cars still in near original paint.  There had to be some reshopped and lettered this way, I just can't prove it.  But it'll make a nice consist model.  From the C&O yahoo group, a member did provide me a copy of the C&O lettering diagram for this car in this scheme, so I will offer that it should look correct in that regard.  I did light weathering with washes, pigments, and thinned paint coats.

Curt Fortenberry


Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

mopacfirst
 

Amazing what a different view will do to your perspective.....

Ron Merrick


Re: Modeling a Lever Hand Brake

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Dennis, didn’t mean that the Moloco parts fulfilled the desire of the original post, someone wrote a description that fit these parts, I had a runner with most of the parts on the table in front of me, and confirmed that the Moloco parts were what was being described.  And added an opinion.  Incidentally, the reason they were on the table is that I used one of those parts on a car built in the ‘40s.

 

Schuyler

 

From: Dennis Storzek

 

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 06:58 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Moloco.  Nice parts. 


Where? This is all I see

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1032/8967/products/file_15_1024x1024.jpeg?v=1445453443

The only "lever" I see is a modern Minor pump style lever gear. Am I missing something?

The modern lever brakes have are high power brakes where one pumps the lever up and down to wind in the chain. The question was about the old rotary motion hand brakes, where one lifted the lever, then swung it from side to side, using the pawl and ratchet to hold tension while the handle was reset for another pull. Not the same thing at all. One of the original photos asked about appeared to be the Blackall style used on the USRA "government" cars. The other, with the enclosed handle on the lever, appears to be a Miner product. As far as I know neither is currently made, although Accurail had the Blackall style in their USRA hopper set years ago.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

Tim O'Connor
 


This builder photo shows that the shape of the sides of the ECW kit is good, but you really
need to replace the ribs as well as removing all of the rivets. The ends and top chord (and
the interior!) will need attention too.

Tim O'Connor



On 1/23/2019 8:24 PM, mopacfirst wrote:
Is the RDG the only road to own the welded version of this car?
 
Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.

From the single picture of each that I was able to find in the respective color guides, both the GN 79000 and MILW 93500 appear to be good matches to the ECW car, apart from the welded construction.  The MILW 93700 is not.

The GN car appears to have roller bearing trucks.

Ron Merrick

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Re: L&N single sheathed boxcars

Don Burn
 

RPC18 has a plan, a lot of information and photos.

Don Burn

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Guys

I’m in desperate need of drawings for these cars. Can anyone please help? I’m sure they are out I just haven’t found them. I have all the speedwitch media info on the cars but I desperately need drawings. I’m building these as kits in 1.5 scale and need to design scale parts.

Thanks
Kevin Sprayberry
Erwin Shops

Thanks in advance


Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

mopacfirst
 

Is the RDG the only road to own the welded version of this car?
 
Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.

From the single picture of each that I was able to find in the respective color guides, both the GN 79000 and MILW 93500 appear to be good matches to the ECW car, apart from the welded construction.  The MILW 93700 is not.

The GN car appears to have roller bearing trucks.

Ron Merrick


L&N single sheathed boxcars

csxt5555
 

Guys

I’m in desperate need of drawings for these cars. Can anyone please help? I’m sure they are out I just haven’t found them. I have all the speedwitch media info on the cars but I desperately need drawings. I’m building these as kits in 1.5 scale and need to design scale parts.

Thanks
Kevin Sprayberry
Erwin Shops

Thanks in advance


Re: Modeling a Lever Hand Brake

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

A while back I was working on a NP stock car and I asked for help on the lever hand brake.  I received a number if good photos of this in addition to photos of a Wabash auto car with the Miner hand brake that I took ar the Monticello rail museum while at Naperville.  Both had the word Miner in raised letters on the lever.  Now I want that.  It is not that far fetched.  Look at the raised lettering on the Tahoe trucks.

Ah!  The farther we go the fa re the we go.

Bill Pardie



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From: Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
Date: 1/23/19 11:03 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Modeling a Lever Hand Brake

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 12:33 PM, Bruce Griffin wrote:
i think the closest to this prototype is actually the Accurail USRA 55 ton hopper brake lever part.
Here is the Blackall part as used on the USRA cars, lower left:



At the bottom of the staff it has a standard ratchet and pawl. The phantom view shows  the internal ratchet mechanism; raising the lever engages the teeth so the handle can turn the staff. Dropping the lever automatically raises the top casting, thereby disengaging the teeth so the lever doesn't fly around as the brakes release.

This was once a separate part in the Accurail USRA twin hopper kit, but only the upper casting and lever, the staff was molded to the car end sheet. The part was tiny and we had many complaints, so we eventually tooled it into the end sheet. For years the part was on the parts sprue, but it didn't always fill, and since it was no longer needed for the kit, this was no longer an issue. It doesn't show in the illustration of the USRA hopper parts sprue, but it may have been trimmed off so people don't think they are missing a part. It may actually still be on the parts sprue, but like I said, it may not be completely filled. 

It's a pretty simple part, not too bad to model from tubing and wire as someone else mentioned.

Dennis Storzek
Accurail, Inc.


Re: Modeling a Lever Hand Brake

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 12:33 PM, Bruce Griffin wrote:
i think the closest to this prototype is actually the Accurail USRA 55 ton hopper brake lever part.
Here is the Blackall part as used on the USRA cars, lower left:



At the bottom of the staff it has a standard ratchet and pawl. The phantom view shows  the internal ratchet mechanism; raising the lever engages the teeth so the handle can turn the staff. Dropping the lever automatically raises the top casting, thereby disengaging the teeth so the lever doesn't fly around as the brakes release.

This was once a separate part in the Accurail USRA twin hopper kit, but only the upper casting and lever, the staff was molded to the car end sheet. The part was tiny and we had many complaints, so we eventually tooled it into the end sheet. For years the part was on the parts sprue, but it didn't always fill, and since it was no longer needed for the kit, this was no longer an issue. It doesn't show in the illustration of the USRA hopper parts sprue, but it may have been trimmed off so people don't think they are missing a part. It may actually still be on the parts sprue, but like I said, it may not be completely filled. 

It's a pretty simple part, not too bad to model from tubing and wire as someone else mentioned.

Dennis Storzek
Accurail, Inc.


Re: Modeling a Lever Hand Brake

Bruce Griffin
 

Group,

i think the closest to this prototype is actually the Accurail USRA 55 ton hopper brake lever part. Most of the other parts suggested use a chain at the mechanism and a bell crank at the sill while offering mechanical advantage. The lever in the photo is used to turn the brake staff and the chain tightens on the bottom of the shaft.  It looks like the lever handle folds up to horizontal to turn the shaft and the ratchet above the end sill allows the handle to to swing back when it fouls with the end boards. Thank you for the insights. 

Best Regards,
Bruce Griffin
Ashland, MD


Re: Modeling a Lever Hand Brake

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

This is my observation as well.  I am also seeking the rotary type.

Bill Pardie.


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Date: 1/23/19 8:40 AM (GMT-10:00)
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Modeling a Lever Hand Brake

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 06:58 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
Moloco.  Nice parts. 

Where? This is all I see

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1032/8967/products/file_15_1024x1024.jpeg?v=1445453443

The only "lever" I see is a modern Minor pump style lever gear. Am I missing something?

The modern lever brakes have are high power brakes where one pumps the lever up and down to wind in the chain. The question was about the old rotary motion hand brakes, where one lifted the lever, then swung it from side to side, using the pawl and ratchet to hold tension while the handle was reset for another pull. Not the same thing at all. One of the original photos asked about appeared to be the Blackall style used on the USRA "government" cars. The other, with the enclosed handle on the lever, appears to be a Miner product. As far as I know neither is currently made, although Accurail had the Blackall style in their USRA hopper set years ago.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Modeling a Lever Hand Brake

Tim O'Connor
 


Nice! And very economical too. :-)


On 1/22/2019 9:41 PM, Rich C via Groups.Io wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2019, 8:20:56 PM CST, John Sykes III via Groups.Io <johnsykesiii@...> wrote:


Not sure (they are in one of my parts drawers) but I think it was Moloco that I ordered a bunch of different lever hand brakes from.  Or maybe it was Tangent, but I know I have about 4 or 5 different styles.

-- John



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: black doors on C&O box cars

vapeurchapelon
 

Ed, Larry, Ray,
 
many thanks for your valued input! Seems that a car with black doors could fairly easily be seen during the years I am modeling.
 
Many greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
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Betreff: Re: [RealSTMFC] black doors on C&O box cars
>>>sometime around 1930 C&O began to paint the doors on some box cars black, but after WWII 
>>>this has ended I have been told But I don't know the year. Can someone help out?
 
>>Based on ACF & Pullman-Standard paint specs and good builder photos for C&O box & auto cars, I can help to narrow the range to 3-years 
>>(8-37 to 10-40) when the change of door color took place. Perhaps others will be able to further narrow, such as a revision date...
>>6500-6549 ACF, 6-34: black doors (paint specs)
>>6400-6499, P-S, 1-36: black doors (paint specs)
>>4500-4999, P-S, 11-36: black doors (paint specs)
>>5000-5499, GATC, 7-37/8-37: black doors (builder photos)
>>3000-3299, ACF, 10-40: metallic brown doors (paint specs)
>>Other ACF & P-S paint specs for box & auto cars built from 10-40 to 1956 denoted brown doors. 
>>Ed Hawkins
 
 
Hi guys, 
 
Remember that the black doors wasn't just a C&O requirement, they were an AMC specification. Formed in late 1928, the Advisory Mechanical Committee jumped right into standardizing equipment across all of the Van Sweringen holdings, including the C&O, Erie, NKP, HV, MP, and PM. Some standards stuck, some didn't.
The black door "thng" was one that only ever partially stuck. It was apparently a real standard at one time across all of the AMC roads, but relatively few cars were ever delivered with them. Few photos of AMC cars in service with black doors have surfaced, and they disappeared completely by the end of WWII.
The first confirmed black doors were delivered in mid-1929 on Erie cars, and in 1930 on C&O. The last delivery on C&O cars seems to be in 1937, and the absolute last were in early 1940 on Erie cars.
 
I breezed through my AMC boxcar photos; below is a list of builder's photos, the cars, their build dates, and what color their doors were. Notice that there's little consistency; I'm not sure if that's because the railroads themselves couldn't make up their minds, or if there was bad communication and QA control between the railroads and the builders.
 
Erie 68000, 10/1928 (brown)
Erie 97250, 11/1928 (brown)
 
Erie 97500, 8/1929 (black)
NKP 22249, 10/1929 (black)
NKP 22449, 11/1929 (black)
 
Erie 75656, 2/1930 (black)
Erie 75893, 3/1930 (black)
PM 82450, 7/1930 (black)
C&O 8000, 8/1930 (black)
Erie 76173, 8/1930 (black)
PM 90991, 8/1930 (brown)
Erie 98199, 9/1930 (brown)
Erie 68199, 10/1930 (brown
 
Erie 98200, 6/1934 (black)
NKP 13026, 6/1934 (black)
C&O 7299, 7/1934 (brown)
Erie 68200, 7/1934 (black)
NKP 13399, 7/1934 (brown)
Erie 76949, 9/1934 (black)
 
Erie 96700, 7/1936 (black)
Erie 78249, 8/1936 (brown)
Erie 96900, 8/1936 (brown)
PM 86316, 9/1936 (in service, black)
PM 71294, 10/1936 (black)
PM 93162, 10/1936 (black)
PM 93368, 10/1936 (black)
C&O 4246, 11/1936 (black)
 
C&O 4891, 1/1937 (brown)
 
NKP 87000, 6/1937 (black)
NKP 87046, 6/1937 (black)
PM 89530, 6/1937 (in service, black)
C&O 5249, 7/1937 (brown)
C&O 5290, 7/1937 (black)
C&O 5400, 8/1937 (black)
 
C&O 9699, 6/1939 (brown)
 
Erie 78500, 1/1940 (brown)
Erie 79000, 2/1940 (black)
Erie 82525, 7/1940 (brown)
 
PM 83551, 2/1941 (brown)
Erie 80000, 3/1941 (brown)
Erie 65000, 3/1941 (brown)
NKP 20241, 3/1941 (brown)
Erie 97261, 5/1941 (brown)
C&O 10999, 6/1941 (brown)
Erie 97261, 9/1941 (brown)
NKP 16107, 9/1941 (brown)
PM 72197, 9/1941 (brown)
 
 
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL
 
 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Modeling a Lever Hand Brake

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Dennis;

I had a set of tables going awhile ago, to keep track of detail parts. As far as I know, no one has made that type of handbrake in anything other than "blob" form in half profile, on old plastic models. I scratchbuilt a pair of these ages ago, and it was not that bad: wire, styrene, bent wire and putty hand piece, chain, and so on. I believe I got gears from a parts box.

Elden Gatwood

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On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 06:58 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:


Moloco. Nice parts.


Where? This is all I see

Blockedhttps://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1032/8967/products/file_15_1024x1024.jpeg?v=1445453443

The only "lever" I see is a modern Minor pump style lever gear. Am I missing something?

The modern lever brakes have are high power brakes where one pumps the lever up and down to wind in the chain. The question was about the old rotary motion hand brakes, where one lifted the lever, then swung it from side to side, using the pawl and ratchet to hold tension while the handle was reset for another pull. Not the same thing at all. One of the original photos asked about appeared to be the Blackall style used on the USRA "government" cars. The other, with the enclosed handle on the lever, appears to be a Miner product. As far as I know neither is currently made, although Accurail had the Blackall style in their USRA hopper set years ago.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Modeling a Lever Hand Brake

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 06:58 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
Moloco.  Nice parts. 

Where? This is all I see

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1032/8967/products/file_15_1024x1024.jpeg?v=1445453443

The only "lever" I see is a modern Minor pump style lever gear. Am I missing something?

The modern lever brakes have are high power brakes where one pumps the lever up and down to wind in the chain. The question was about the old rotary motion hand brakes, where one lifted the lever, then swung it from side to side, using the pawl and ratchet to hold tension while the handle was reset for another pull. Not the same thing at all. One of the original photos asked about appeared to be the Blackall style used on the USRA "government" cars. The other, with the enclosed handle on the lever, appears to be a Miner product. As far as I know neither is currently made, although Accurail had the Blackall style in their USRA hopper set years ago.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Alexander scale models

Jon Miller
 

On 1/23/2019 10:00 AM, Louis Van Winkle wrote:
Alexander was sold to Tomar Industries of Benton Harbor, MI

    Just looked up and Tomar has been sold also.  Apparently Alexander casting have not been available as the notice seems to indicate that the new owners want to start doing the Alexander castings again.

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For me time stopped in 1941
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Re: Alexander scale models

Louis Van Winkle
 

Alexander was sold to Tomar Industries of Benton Harbor, MI
I used to do the metal casting at Alexander back in the 1970's.
Sure made a lot of doors and windows !!

Lou Van Winkle


Re: Alexander scale models

Larry Smith
 

They still do go to Tomar and look it up.

Larry Smith

On Wednesday, January 23, 2019, 11:35:44 AM CST, ken chapin <alcobackshop@...> wrote:


Anyone know what happened to them, they sold a lot of detail parts. Ken
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On 1/23/19, 11:16 AM Jon Miller <atsfus@...> wrote:
On 1/23/2019 9:08 AM, Pierre Oliver wrote:
The engine house kit was a ripoff of FSM John Allen's engine house, btw.

You can get FSM instructions at https://www.hoseeker.com/

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Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Alexander scale models

ken chapin
 

Anyone know what happened to them, they sold a lot of detail parts. Ken
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On 1/23/19, 11:16 AM Jon Miller <atsfus@...> wrote:
On 1/23/2019 9:08 AM, Pierre Oliver wrote:
The engine house kit was a ripoff of FSM John Allen's engine house, btw.

You can get FSM instructions at https://www.hoseeker.com/

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Paige Enterprises 2-Stall Branchline Enginehouse kit instructions

Jon Miller
 

On 1/23/2019 9:08 AM, Pierre Oliver wrote:
The engine house kit was a ripoff of FSM John Allen's engine house, btw.

You can get FSM instructions at https://www.hoseeker.com/

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS