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NP, SP&S, and CB&Q 52ft flatcars with 13" side sill.

npin53
 

Were the NP, SP&S, and CB&Q the only roads that purchased 52ft
flatcars with 13" side sill and a deep fish belly center sill? Would
any "Q" or SP&S fan be able to help me find a picture of one of their
cars. The cars are similar in construction to the 40ft USRA kit by
Tichy and ERTL, except for the lenth of course.

Aaron Gjermundson


Sunshine UTLX X-3

tcschc <tculotta@speedwitch.com> <tculotta@...>
 

Anybody out there attend the meet in Monrovia and get their mitts on one of the X-3s? How are they?

Regards,
Ted Culotta


Re: 36' SS XM

Stafford Swain <sswain@...>
 

Hi Al:

Stafford - The car in question is lot 7504, 500 "40 ton steel frame" cars
ordered July 1914 and assigned to Chicago. The lot list indicates that a
photo exists but it is not among my prints. I have not printed everything I
shot and the project to scan all my unprinted negs is languishing. However,
you should know that there were some steel frame double sheathed cars being
built at this time, so don't assume without proof that it was SS.
This is a good point, the ultimate proof would be in a photo. Having said that, railway diagram sheets were often well enough rendered that that a single sheathed car versus a double sheather car would be readily apparent.


I do have
a builders photo of the SOO line car if you'd like a scan. I have not
issued a kit because the frame spacing differs from the CP cars.

I have some catalog pages to send you of really obscure doo wop box sets.
Just have to get them copied or scanned. - Al
I'll look forward to that (betraying the secret that Al and I are huge fans of now ancient but great music)!


----- Original Message -----
From: "Stafford Swain" <sswain@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 36' SS XM


Hi Al:

One of the Clegg/Swain "Dominion Car" installments in Mainline
Modeler during 1985 and 1986 covered the then known U.S. cars. One
of the objectives of our study was to see how common the design
became so that we had a better modelling project and I put a lot of
research/letter writing time into that gathering process.

Soo Line had a 500 series of 5-foot door width cars if memory serves
and Erie had a large number of 6-foot door width cars. I don't
recall finding any CGW cars but the diagram sheet noted below and the
fact that the CPR cars were built ca 1910/12 strongly suggests that
you need to have a look at this "built 1914" CGW diagram sheet.

>At 05:52 PM 2/27/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>>Listed in a 1925 CGW equipment diagram book is a single-sheathed box
>>car with an inside length of 36'-0" built by ACF in 1914. First,
>>this seems rather early for a single-sheathed box car and, second, I
>>don't recall ever seeing such a short single sheathed box car. the
> > >legend notes "all steel framing."
>
>When the Canadian railroads decided to "go Fowler" there was such a
demand
>for cars that many were built by US vendors, who concurrently built some
>practically identical cars for US roads (I recently got a builder's photo
>of a Fowler car built for Soo Line).
>
>It is quite possible this is one. I would love to see a picture of the
>above referenced car, but we've been to this well before. From previous
>posts on this subject, it doesn't appear that the list members have
>pictures relating to this subject.
>
>Al Welch Esq.
> >





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Re: 36' SS XM

Al & Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Stafford - The car in question is lot 7504, 500 "40 ton steel frame" cars
ordered July 1914 and assigned to Chicago. The lot list indicates that a
photo exists but it is not among my prints. I have not printed everything I
shot and the project to scan all my unprinted negs is languishing. However,
you should know that there were some steel frame double sheathed cars being
built at this time, so don't assume without proof that it was SS. I do have
a builders photo of the SOO line car if you'd like a scan. I have not
issued a kit because the frame spacing differs from the CP cars.

I have some catalog pages to send you of really obscure doo wop box sets.
Just have to get them copied or scanned. - Al

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stafford Swain" <sswain@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 36' SS XM


Hi Al:

One of the Clegg/Swain "Dominion Car" installments in Mainline
Modeler during 1985 and 1986 covered the then known U.S. cars. One
of the objectives of our study was to see how common the design
became so that we had a better modelling project and I put a lot of
research/letter writing time into that gathering process.

Soo Line had a 500 series of 5-foot door width cars if memory serves
and Erie had a large number of 6-foot door width cars. I don't
recall finding any CGW cars but the diagram sheet noted below and the
fact that the CPR cars were built ca 1910/12 strongly suggests that
you need to have a look at this "built 1914" CGW diagram sheet.

At 05:52 PM 2/27/2003 +0000, you wrote:
Listed in a 1925 CGW equipment diagram book is a single-sheathed box
car with an inside length of 36'-0" built by ACF in 1914. First,
this seems rather early for a single-sheathed box car and, second, I
don't recall ever seeing such a short single sheathed box car. the
>legend notes "all steel framing."


When the Canadian railroads decided to "go Fowler" there was such a
demand
for cars that many were built by US vendors, who concurrently built some
practically identical cars for US roads (I recently got a builder's photo
of a Fowler car built for Soo Line).

It is quite possible this is one. I would love to see a picture of the
above referenced car, but we've been to this well before. From previous
posts on this subject, it doesn't appear that the list members have
pictures relating to this subject.

Al Welch Esq.


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Re: Caswell Car Co.

Al & Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

The cars were indeed built. They are very similar to the AT&SF GA.O, the
earliest version that I have not yet done. Basically, the cars were not
elevated above the center sill, meaning the end doors did not open fully.
Further, the ends were not so heavily built. I have the CB&Q car builders
photos and general arrangement. All I need is time. - Al

----- Original Message -----
From: <glw@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 1:05 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Caswell Car Co.


Hi Folks,

I have found a reference for Caswell Car Co. as a designer of some
early CB&Q Gons. That were built under license by Standard Car Co.

Did Caswell actually build cars or did they just design cars and
license another builder to do the production.

Would the kits that Al Westerfield makes for the ATSF cars be the
same or could someone give me some help in finding what the
differences are.

Al, if they are the same, we need decals for a second kit.

George Walls



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Re: Walthers R50b

thompson@...
 

Greg Martin said:
Next issue is the baggage you have factory painted and you always say, "For
me time has stopped in 1941," so make sure your baggage has Olive underframe
and trucks, the lettering is Futura (also known as KABEL)...
AAARGH! Don't meddle with this stuff, Greg! Kabel was designed by Rudolf
Koch, Future by Paul Renner, and they are definitely DIFFERENT typefaces.
Of cousre, to a Pennsy guy they may look equivalent...<g>

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history


Re: Walthers R50b

Greg Martin
 

John you wrote...

Greg,
Checked the Testors site. They list an ¼ oz. bottle "Olive Drab" #1165
available as a separate bottle. They also list a "Model Master" #1711
"Olive Drab" but assume from your comments this is not a correct color,
also guessing it's gloss.

Jon Miller
John,

The actual color is a true Olive not Olive Drab. Olive Drab is too dark and
too brown. However I went to my bench and compared my old bottle of Pactra
Olive to other colors I have for a match and I would say the color that come
closest the Pactra Olive is Testors Olive from the Military sets and...
Floquil Depot Olive could be used but it is much greener. I would recommend
that if you use this try weathering it with shades of dark gray and my
favorite Testors Rubber and I think you would be hard pressed to figure it
out.

Greg Martin


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Re: Caswell Car Co.

Richard Hendrickson
 

Hi Folks,

I have found a reference for Caswell Car Co. as a designer of some
early CB&Q Gons. That were built under license by Standard Car Co.

Did Caswell actually build cars or did they just design cars and
license another builder to do the production.
Caswell did not build cars; like Enterprise and Rodger-Hart, they licensed
their patented designsto commerecial car building firms which actually
constructed the cars.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Huck bolts

Larry Lee <jlawrencelee@...>
 

Schuyler,

I'm just getting back to my email after a couple of days out, so someone
else may well have already answered. But, just in case they haven't, Huck
bolts are removed like most other things on railcars--with the "hot wrench,"
(cutting torch). One could use various kinds of bolt cutters, but we're
talking about railroaders here.

Back in my SCL days, some of the shop crafts got a small hourly bonus if
they had to use a cutting torch anytime during their shift. So these guys
would burn off everything, even threaded bolts that had just been installed!
I won't say they went so far as to light their cigarettes with a torch, but
you can bet the farm that everybody found some task that required a torch at
some point during their shift!

Larry Lee
Auburn, AL


Re: B&O Wagon Top Boxcar

Jim or Lisa Hayes <jim-and-lisa@...>
 

I heard a rumor today that Branchline is going to release a B&O Wagon
top this year.<<

With several other projects backed up, I doubt that it would be this year,
if they are doing one.

--
Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon


Re: Walthers R50b

TC <tculotta@...>
 

Jon Miller wrote:

Ted,
This is confusing;
Anyway, if the first digit is a '1', it's gloss, if it's a '3' it's
flat.<

The #1165 is listed as a "flat" olive drab 1/4 oz. The picture
associated with the detailed information shows a "gloss" bottle.
Wonder
what it really is, flat or gloss?
1165 is a product number, not and FS number. The FS number should be 5
digits.

Ted Culotta


Re: Walthers R50b

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Ted,
This is confusing;
Anyway, if the first digit is a '1', it's gloss, if it's a '3' it's flat.<
The #1165 is listed as a "flat" olive drab 1/4 oz. The picture
associated with the detailed information shows a "gloss" bottle. Wonder
what it really is, flat or gloss?

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief/Zephyr systems
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


B&O Wagon Top Boxcar

Paul Catapano <hpcatapano@...>
 

I heard a rumor today that Branchline is going to release a B&O Wagon
top this year. Can anyone else confirm this?

Paul Catapano


Re: Walthers R50b

TC <tculotta@...>
 

Jon Miller wrote:

They also list a "Model Master" #1711 "Olive Drab" but assume from
your
comments this is not a correct color, also guessing it's gloss.
Most of the Model Master military paints for US colors have a FS #
(Federal Standard) associated with them. I believe olive drab is 34087
(although that's completely from memory and is probably wrong). Anyway,
if the first digit is a '1', it's gloss, if it's a '3' it's flat.

Regards,
Ted Culotta


Reporting marks web site

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Very handy website listing reporting marks including start and
stop dates. Naturally, I found a mistake on the first one that
I looked up -- TPFX -- so caveat emptor as usual.

http://www.nrhs.com/reporting_marks/aar_reporting_marks.htm

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Huck bolts

Larry Buell
 

One might have to drill out hucks in the manufacture of railroad cars or
aircraft...but as I said, the track bolt version was cut off with heat.

----- Original Message -----
From: <glw@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 12:56 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Huck bolts


Schuyler

Huck bolts have to be drilled out. And Huck bolts are still in
widespread use by the aircraft industry. Can't not be used in jet
engine intake areas or exhaust, but can be used in other areas where
a rivit has broken and you can not get behind it with a bucking bar.

George Walls

--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler G Larrabee" <SGL2@i...>
wrote:
With
track-work one couldn't change out JUST one Huck bolt...all had
to
go!!!!!!

Now, Huck bolts were used before 1960, so I can get this inside
the list
limit, but just how does one go about changing out a Huck Bolt?
No threads
on those babies . . .

Schuyler Larrabee

aka
SGL

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Fw: Re: Huck bolts

Larry Buell
 

You can also cut them off with a "nut splitter" ...if you have the time.

signed
Larry Buell

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Buell" <lbuell@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Huck bolts


We had to cut off the the collar, which was fairly soft, carefully with
heat. There was a flat washer next to the joint bar; however, if for some
reason the bar was damaged, it had to be changed out also. We used
portable
Templeton-Kelley hydraulic units with a Huck attachment (gun) to replace
(swage) the six bolts. All of the bolt holes were round. BTW, a
stretched
bolt was easy to find, it rattled as the track supervisor, et. al. drove
over the joint in a hyrail pickup, motor car or section truck. We didn't
wait for more than one or two bolt to become loose...didn't want to do the
paperwork in the event the alternative happened!!! The 50 plus miles of
jointed track was just a small percent of the 260 miles of double main
track
on my territory, but took high percentage of the section's time due to
bolt
failure. I believe that some of the commercial glued/insulated joints
(I-bonds or slugs) still use Hucks in their manufacture.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Schuyler G Larrabee" <SGL2@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Huck bolts


With
track-work one couldn't change out JUST one Huck bolt...all had to
go!!!!!!

Now, Huck bolts were used before 1960, so I can get this inside the list
limit, but just how does one go about changing out a Huck Bolt? No
threads
on those babies . . .

Schuyler Larrabee

aka
SGL



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Re: Huck bolts

Larry Buell
 

We had to cut off the the collar, which was fairly soft, carefully with
heat. There was a flat washer next to the joint bar; however, if for some
reason the bar was damaged, it had to be changed out also. We used portable
Templeton-Kelley hydraulic units with a Huck attachment (gun) to replace
(swage) the six bolts. All of the bolt holes were round. BTW, a stretched
bolt was easy to find, it rattled as the track supervisor, et. al. drove
over the joint in a hyrail pickup, motor car or section truck. We didn't
wait for more than one or two bolt to become loose...didn't want to do the
paperwork in the event the alternative happened!!! The 50 plus miles of
jointed track was just a small percent of the 260 miles of double main track
on my territory, but took high percentage of the section's time due to bolt
failure. I believe that some of the commercial glued/insulated joints
(I-bonds or slugs) still use Hucks in their manufacture.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Schuyler G Larrabee" <SGL2@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Huck bolts


With
track-work one couldn't change out JUST one Huck bolt...all had to
go!!!!!!

Now, Huck bolts were used before 1960, so I can get this inside the list
limit, but just how does one go about changing out a Huck Bolt? No
threads
on those babies . . .

Schuyler Larrabee

aka
SGL



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Caswell Car Co.

G. Walls <glw@radiks.net> <glw@...>
 

Hi Folks,

I have found a reference for Caswell Car Co. as a designer of some
early CB&Q Gons. That were built under license by Standard Car Co.

Did Caswell actually build cars or did they just design cars and
license another builder to do the production.

Would the kits that Al Westerfield makes for the ATSF cars be the
same or could someone give me some help in finding what the
differences are.

Al, if they are the same, we need decals for a second kit.

George Walls


Re: Walthers R50b

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Greg,
Checked the Testors site. They list an 1/4 oz. bottle "Olive Drab"
#1165 available as a separate bottle.
They also list a "Model Master" #1711 "Olive Drab" but assume from your
comments this is not a correct color, also guessing it's gloss.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax DCC owner, Chief/Zephyr systems
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

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