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Re: Vallejo Paint Colors

Lester Breuer
 

Scott asked Bruce about Micro Mark box car red paint by Vallejo and Mineral Red replacement.  I have attached a chart of my swatches.  You can decide if these help answer your questions.  I hope Bruce it is ok to add my experience here.
Lester Breuer

Re: Alexander scale models

Donald B. Valentine
 

    Could be off a year or two but that looks like a early 1960's Euclid scraper and this a bit late for
many of us. Nice model but when did Euclid introduce this prototype? Cartier-McNamara, the large 
Canadian was using general contractor, this type on I-89 construction in Bolton, Vt in 1963.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Vallejo Paint Colors

Charles Happel
 

Forgot to mention that micro-mark carries most of the line and does a better job of stocking it than Walther's.

Chuck Happel

Make crime pay. Become a lawyer. Will Rogers

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On Thu, 1/24/19, Charles Happel via Groups.Io <cghappel2001=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Vallejo Paint Colors
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Date: Thursday, January 24, 2019, 5:33 PM

https://acrylicosvallejo.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/catalogue-vallejo-fine-arts-CC012.pdf
is their catalog, the website shows
most of their colors.

Chuck Happel

Make crime pay. Become a lawyer. Will
Rogers

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On Thu, 1/24/19, Ralph W. Brown <rbrown51@...>
wrote:

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Vallejo Paint
Colors
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Date: Thursday, January 24, 2019, 4:54
PM




Hi Bruce,
 
Thanks for the info and the images. 
I’m new to
Vallejo paint and thus
far have only Amaranth Red Model Color
that I ordered from
Walmart of all places
(last bottles so the website said),
and intend to use as a
starting point for
early PRR freight car color, but I yet
to give it a try. 
I’ve found no
retailers in this area that carry the
line, and haven’t
found an online retailer
that stocks the Vallejo color charts
for Model Air or Model
Color. 
Walthers lists “Acrylicos Vallejo
SL” as a manufacturer
on its advanced search,
but lists none of its products! 
I’d be interested in
knowing your source
of supply for these paints.
 
Also, which yellows are you using for
FEGX reefers, and
do they pertain to
any particular eras?
 
Ralph

Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No.
L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com



 

From: Bruce
Griffin
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 2:04
AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io


Subject: [RealSTMFC] Vallejo Paint
Colors
 
Group,

i
am not trying to start another ongoing
color war, but since
I really enjoy
airbrushing Vallejo paints with my
Awata double action
airbrush (I haven’t
enjoyed airbrushing in the past), I
thought I would offer
two photos of my crude
test strips. And yes I am a member of
ASTM and I know how to
do this the right
way, this is a hobby and I want to
relax and unwind. 

I am slowly
collecting Vallejo browns and reds
(there are two yellows
for FGEX) to see what
works for me for my freight cars (and
cabooses). I think I
included the product
numbers on each to make it is easy to
replicate.

The only help I think
this can be for you is if you use the
approximation that
Floquil 10074 boxcar
red is a super close match to Vallejo
71271, Model Air
German Red Brown. From
that you could make some assumptions
about other colors. 
Or not. The
Vallejo line of railroad colors is
limited but there seem to
be many appropriate
colors in their entire line of paints.


I have no affiliation with any
paint or airbrush company, just
sharing my preferences and
some information that
some Freight Car Modelers might find
helpful. Now I will
duck for cover.


Best Regards,
Bruce Griffin
Ashland, MD, near
Cockeysville.

Re: Vallejo Paint Colors

Charles Happel
 

https://acrylicosvallejo.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/catalogue-vallejo-fine-arts-CC012.pdf
is their catalog, the website shows most of their colors.

Chuck Happel

Make crime pay. Become a lawyer. Will Rogers

--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 1/24/19, Ralph W. Brown <rbrown51@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Vallejo Paint Colors
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Date: Thursday, January 24, 2019, 4:54 PM




Hi Bruce,
 
Thanks for the info and the images.  I’m new to
Vallejo paint and thus
far have only Amaranth Red Model Color that I ordered from
Walmart of all places
(last bottles so the website said), and intend to use as a
starting point for
early PRR freight car color, but I yet to give it a try. 
I’ve found no
retailers in this area that carry the line, and haven’t
found an online retailer
that stocks the Vallejo color charts for Model Air or Model
Color. 
Walthers lists “Acrylicos Vallejo SL” as a manufacturer
on its advanced search,
but lists none of its products!  I’d be interested in
knowing your source
of supply for these paints.
 
Also, which yellows are you using for FEGX reefers, and
do they pertain to
any particular eras?
 
Ralph

Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No.
L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com



 

From: Bruce
Griffin
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 2:04 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io


Subject: [RealSTMFC] Vallejo Paint
Colors
 
Group,

i
am not trying to start another ongoing color war, but since
I really enjoy
airbrushing Vallejo paints with my Awata double action
airbrush (I haven’t
enjoyed airbrushing in the past), I thought I would offer
two photos of my crude
test strips. And yes I am a member of ASTM and I know how to
do this the right
way, this is a hobby and I want to relax and unwind. 

I am slowly
collecting Vallejo browns and reds (there are two yellows
for FGEX) to see what
works for me for my freight cars (and cabooses). I think I
included the product
numbers on each to make it is easy to replicate.

The only help I think
this can be for you is if you use the approximation that
Floquil 10074 boxcar
red is a super close match to Vallejo 71271, Model Air
German Red Brown. From
that you could make some assumptions about other colors. 
Or not. The
Vallejo line of railroad colors is limited but there seem to
be many appropriate
colors in their entire line of paints.

I have no affiliation with any
paint or airbrush company, just sharing my preferences and
some information that
some Freight Car Modelers might find helpful. Now I will
duck for cover.


Best Regards,
Bruce Griffin
Ashland, MD, near
Cockeysville.

Re: Vallejo Paint Colors

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Bruce,
 
Thanks for the info and the images.  I’m new to Vallejo paint and thus far have only Amaranth Red Model Color that I ordered from Walmart of all places (last bottles so the website said), and intend to use as a starting point for early PRR freight car color, but I yet to give it a try.  I’ve found no retailers in this area that carry the line, and haven’t found an online retailer that stocks the Vallejo color charts for Model Air or Model Color.  Walthers lists “Acrylicos Vallejo SL” as a manufacturer on its advanced search, but lists none of its products!  I’d be interested in knowing your source of supply for these paints.
 
Also, which yellows are you using for FEGX reefers, and do they pertain to any particular eras?
 
Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
 

From: Bruce Griffin
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 2:04 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Vallejo Paint Colors
 
Group,

i am not trying to start another ongoing color war, but since I really enjoy airbrushing Vallejo paints with my Awata double action airbrush (I haven’t enjoyed airbrushing in the past), I thought I would offer two photos of my crude test strips. And yes I am a member of ASTM and I know how to do this the right way, this is a hobby and I want to relax and unwind. 

I am slowly collecting Vallejo browns and reds (there are two yellows for FGEX) to see what works for me for my freight cars (and cabooses). I think I included the product numbers on each to make it is easy to replicate.

The only help I think this can be for you is if you use the approximation that Floquil 10074 boxcar red is a super close match to Vallejo 71271, Model Air German Red Brown. From that you could make some assumptions about other colors.  Or not. The Vallejo line of railroad colors is limited but there seem to be many appropriate colors in their entire line of paints.

I have no affiliation with any paint or airbrush company, just sharing my preferences and some information that some Freight Car Modelers might find helpful. Now I will duck for cover.

Best Regards,
Bruce Griffin
Ashland, MD, near Cockeysville. 

Re: deliver something other than livestock

tbarney2004
 

Not sure if it was mentioned as I haven't gone through all the responses, but I'm pretty sure PRR class K stock cars were used to haul the (summer) tomato harvest to the Campbell's Soup Plant in NJ.

Tim Barney

On 1/21/2019 9:13 AM, Guy Wilber via Groups.Io wrote:
Mark wrote:

"Commodities I've seen shipped in stock cars in photographs:

  • Coal. A LOT of coal in stock cars, in the Rocky Mountain States, as late as WWII
  • Beehive Oven Coke. Also as late as WWII
  • Railroad ties, treated and untreated
  • Ice -- some recent photos were posted on the D&RGW Facebook site showing pond ice loading in stock cars in the early 1960s
  • Freight Car Wheels
  • Lumber
  • Cabbages"

Additional commodities transported within stock cars included; watermelons, other various melons, and bagged potatoes.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada



Re: Alexander scale models

ron christensen
 

Look at Alexander Scale Models.
 Tomar has been sold to a west coast company
Alexander has the haunted house, school house and soon the B&O tower on sales
 In the Stewart line there are many castings in N and HO
attached are some of the first models he has made.

Alexander Scale Models will soon come out with the old Stewart 1/87 diacast Euclid scraper.

This appears to be the early 1950 model S7 Euclid scraper. 
Ron Christensen

Re: Vallejo Paint Colors

Mark Stamm
 

MRH has a extensive list of Floquil and Pollyscale paint matches to Vallejo on their website.

Mark P Stamm
Mark at Euphoriatt dot Com

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Re: Modeling a Lever Hand Brake

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 09:07 PM, Dave Parker wrote:
There is a 1921 Miner catalog available as a free e-book from Google books:

https://books.google.com/books?id=Wx4xAQAAMAAJ

It shows five styles of lever hand brakes.  Personally, I don't think the PSC #3567 part is an exact match to any of them, but it is certainly Miner-like.
Cool. Dimensioned drawings, no less. The two versions of the Ideal Safety hand brake applicable to freightcars seem to differ only in having a round post on the bracket above the lever pivot. I suspect the purpose of this post is strictly to provide a convenient handhold for the brakeman's left hand.

I note that unlike the Blackall style I described earlier, there is no foot operated pawl and ratchet at platform lever; with the Miner Ideal Safety hand brake the ratchet must lock internally as the brakeman swings the handle back for another pull. The ratchet housing has a prominent release lever, similar to later high power hand brakes.

I agree the PSC part doesn't quite capture any of the actual Miner hand brakes. Much of the PSC product like is from pattern work done well nigh sixty years ago. CNC milling and Electro Discharge Machining were still in the future, and patterns were made with a file and lots of ingenuity.

The problem persists when the modeler is forced to 'roll his own' from bits of wire. Some key elements are just difficult to capture in such a small part. These would include the barrel shaped hand grip on forged handle of the Blackall gear, and the tapered lever with the ball at the end of the Miner gear. Hopefully 3D printing will someday get to the point where all these variations are easily possible. The data is certainly now easily available.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Modeling a Lever Hand Brake

Dave Parker
 

Gene:

FWIW, the tabulation of drawings for the USRA standard cars (Railway Rev., Feb 15, 1919, vol 64, p. 259) shows the 55-t hoppers as receiving the Blackall ratchet, while the 50-t composite gondolas received the Perfection ratchet.

My photos of the composite gons are more limited than those of the hoppers, but I would say they tend to agree.  YMMV of course.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA

Re: Modeling a Lever Hand Brake

Gene Green <genegreen1942@...>
 

At the risk of seeming dogmatic (again), while the hand brakes on the USRA hoppers might be referred to as "Blackall style," they were, in fact, The Perfection ratchet hand brake manufactured by Railway Devices Company.
Lever is the term correctly applied to the modern power hand brakes operated by a lever instead of a wheel..
Ratchet is the term for those "Blackall style" hand brakes which required the operator to lift the handle to horizontal and operate it as Dennis described.  Ratchet hand brakes can still be found on some relatively recent Amtrak passenger cars.
Gene Green

Re: Interesting PRR car.

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

I have not found to-date enough specific correspondence to have the complete story on this subject, but Bruce summarized that part correctly. Auto racks began diminishing in the early fifties (well, in certain cases, right after WW2), and with auto assembly increasingly requiring diversifying and scattering auto parts plants far and wide, the PRR part of it had to change rapidly. The forty-footers were particular targets, in classes X29B and D, X37B and X31 double doors. Former "AUTOMOBILE" cars were converted to auto parts, with removal of racks, painting out of "AUTOMOBILES", followed by installation of auto parts racks and new auto parts plant codes stenciled on. Evidence of this also included new carriage bolt boltheads in the sides and/or ends where the new equipment was secured. There's a number of photos in the Hagley, if so inclined.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bruce Smith
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:08 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting PRR car.

​Automobiles began to be removed in the early 1950s. One date I have seen is 1953.





Regards


Bruce Smith


Auburn, AL


________________________________

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Scott <repairman87@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 9:58 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Interesting PRR car.

Thank you Bruce, I had no idea Funaro made those trucks. I ordered the trucks, X37B kit and the photo. Would you happen to know when they started painting over the "automobile" on the side of the car?


Scott McDonald

Re: Vallejo Paint Colors

gtws00
 

Bruce,
Thanks for posting your conversion. I have also been using Vallejo Paints and find them to be easy to use and clean. I have both an Iwata Eclipse  and a Grex TG3 that I use a .5mm tip. Both work well with the Vallejo Paint I have used. FYI Vallejo had two types of paint . Model Air that is suppose to be air brush ready and Model Color that is Brush friendly and must be reduced to spray in an Airbrush. I also got some tips on using and mixing advice from Lester Breuer similar to what you have done. I am happy members post mixing results as it does save me money and time.
George Toman

Re: Interesting PRR car.

Bill Welch
 

Glad to know these odd trucks are available in 1/87. The anticipated N&W B5 coming from Yarmouth could use these also. Arguably the ugliest/most homely steel boxcar ever, these trucks will put the B5 over the top in that category.

Bill Welch

Re: Vallejo Paint Colors

Scott
 

Bruce,  have you tested the railroad colors from Micro Mark that Vallejo made for them?

https://www.micromark.com/Vallejo-Acrylic-Paint-Model-Air-1-oz

They are supposed to be matched to polyscale colors.  They dont have mineral red though which is a bummer.  They do have Box car red whichbis pretty tempting.  Have you found a good replacement for polyscale mineral red?

Scott McDonald

Re: Vallejo Paint Colors

Paul Woods <paul@...>
 

Thanks for posting these, Bruce - I cannot afford to go buying lots of different colours just to test them, so your chart is a great help to me.

Regards
Paul Woods

Whangarei, NZ
NYCSHS #7172

Vallejo Paint Colors

Bruce Griffin
 

Group,

i am not trying to start another ongoing color war, but since I really enjoy airbrushing Vallejo paints with my Awata double action airbrush (I haven’t enjoyed airbrushing in the past), I thought I would offer two photos of my crude test strips. And yes I am a member of ASTM and I know how to do this the right way, this is a hobby and I want to relax and unwind.  

I am slowly collecting Vallejo browns and reds (there are two yellows for FGEX) to see what works for me for my freight cars (and cabooses). I think I included the product numbers on each to make it is easy to replicate.

The only help I think this can be for you is if you use the approximation that Floquil 10074 boxcar red is a super close match to Vallejo 71271, Model Air German Red Brown. From that you could make some assumptions about other colors.  Or not. The Vallejo line of railroad colors is limited but there seem to be many appropriate colors in their entire line of paints. 

I have no affiliation with any paint or airbrush company, just sharing my preferences and some information that some Freight Car Modelers might find helpful. Now I will duck for cover. 

Best Regards,
Bruce Griffin
Ashland, MD, near Cockeysville. 

Miner Lever Handbrake

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Hope this is OK.

Bill Patdie



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Re: Modeling a Lever Hand Brake

Dave Parker
 

There is a 1921 Miner catalog available as a free e-book from Google books:

https://books.google.com/books?id=Wx4xAQAAMAAJ

It shows five styles of lever hand brakes.  Personally, I don't think the PSC #3567 part is an exact match to any of them, but it is certainly Miner-like.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA

Re: Modeling a Lever Hand Brake

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Dennis and others:

There are apparently several varieties of the Minerlever handbrake.  Dennis's photo is one. I have the Precision Scale casting but it did not quite meet my need.  The Overland model of the Wabash auto car has a casting.  I will try to get a photo of it and see if I know how to post it.

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
Date: 1/23/19 5:51 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Modeling a Lever Hand Brake

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 02:11 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
A while back I was working on a NP stock car and I asked for help on the lever hand brake.  I received a number if good photos of this in addition to photos of a Wabash auto car with the Miner hand brake that I took ar the Monticello rail museum while at Naperville.  Both had the word Miner in raised letters on the lever.  Now I want that.  It is not that far fetched.  Look at the raised lettering on the Tahoe trucks.
 
Ah!  The farther we go the fa re the we go.

You mean like this:


Apparently Precision Scale Co. made this part, but no lettering:

https://www.tmrdistributing.com/presta/index.php?id_product=8156&controller=product

Dennis Storzek