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Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

mopacfirst
 

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 12:35 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
The Eastern Car Works 65 foot gondolas share ends, floor/underframe and
interior of the sides.
The interior sides and floor and ends are accurate for the PRR G26. Note
unlike Athearn's tank cars
that share the bottom half of the triple dome tank car.

Tim O'



The Equipment Diagram for the WP gon appears to be consistent with the
side castings of the ECW #  3010 kit, and the general A.A.R design. The
problem with the kit otherwise is that there are 2 frets of cast parts
needed to construct the body of the model. One fret includes the sides
and center sill, the other has the rest of the parts, i.e. end castings,
end doors, floor, and other details. The 2nd fret's parts seem to be
consistent with the PRR G26/ G26a version ( a kit I don't have). For
instance, the end frame castings have several "fins" as part of the
casting: 3 horizontal on each side of the end doors, and 3 vertical ones
on the end beam, located either side of the coupler pocket. These are
obvious on the PRR cars but I've seen no photos of A.A.R.-designed cars
with these fins.


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Re: Photo: Tank (And Other) Cars

Dave Bayless
 

Bob,

This looks like it is the “Bullring and Links Yard” in Los Angeles. The tracks curving around in the left part of the view are curving towards the “midway” and will lead to “Dayton Tower” at the south end of Taylor Yard.

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2019 12:07 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Tank (And Other) Cars

 

This is a photo link from the UCLA Library archives:

https://dl.library.ucla.edu/islandora/object/laviews%3A431

The image in the upper right-hand corner is of a freight yard (Someone know which one?) in Los Angeles in 1914.

Click on the image to enlarge it.

There are two interesting (to me, at least) tank cars in the foreground along with many other freight cars. A little work in Photoshop should bring out more details.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

Tim O'Connor
 

The Eastern Car Works 65 foot gondolas share ends, floor/underframe and interior of the sides.
The interior sides and floor and ends are accurate for the PRR G26. Note unlike Athearn's tank cars
that share the bottom half of the triple dome tank car.

Tim O'



The Equipment Diagram for the WP gon appears to be consistent with the side castings of the ECW #  3010 kit, and the general A.A.R design. The problem with the kit otherwise is that there are 2 frets of cast parts needed to construct the body of the model. One fret includes the sides and center sill, the other has the rest of the parts, i.e. end castings, end doors, floor, and other details. The 2nd fret's parts seem to be consistent with the PRR G26/ G26a version ( a kit I don't have). For instance, the end frame castings have several "fins" as part of the casting: 3 horizontal on each side of the end doors, and 3 vertical ones on the end beam, located either side of the coupler pocket. These are obvious on the PRR cars but I've seen no photos of A.A.R.-designed cars with these fins.


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Photo: Tank (And Other) Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

This is a photo link from the UCLA Library archives:

https://dl.library.ucla.edu/islandora/object/laviews%3A431

The image in the upper right-hand corner is of a freight yard (Someone know which one?) in Los Angeles in 1914.

Click on the image to enlarge it.

There are two interesting (to me, at least) tank cars in the foreground along with many other freight cars. A little work in Photoshop should bring out more details.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Vallejo Paint Colors

Ken Adams
 

Last year I did some experimentation on how to replicate SP box car red without an air brush. I found a combination of Tamiya Red Oxide primer from a spray can and a thin over wash of Vallejo Model Color 70.982 Cavalry Brown worked very well to replicate the elusive post world war 2 synthetic oxide red color.  My experiments can be found at https://srandsp.blogspot.com/2018/05/more-on-sp-freight-car-red-from-rattle.html and preceding blogs. 

I am extremely impressed with Vallejo model paints used along with the Tamiya spray can primers. They have eliminated my need for an air brush for nearly all applications. 

Unfortunately supply has become an issue. My local hobby shop cannot support the range of Vallejo paints in addition to TruColor ,Tamiya, and Scalecoat.  My best supply in the past has been War Games shops that also support war gamer figure modeling. Unfortunately these are getting rarer too. Hobby Lobby (ugh) carried the Vallejo model air and model color for a while but cut back and doubled the price recently.  The nearest war game supply is about 30 miles away.  The distance doesn't allow much more experimentation as does ordering over the internet.   

ECW Great Northern 65' Mill Gondola Kit Mint/New

Andy Carlson
 

Hello-
I have a new kit of an Eastern Car Works Inc. 65' Mill Gondola. This would be mint if the label hadn't disappeared from the box end. Looks like the contents have never been removed from box. This is the kit with the ribs on the car sides reaching all the way down to the lower edge.

Offered for $10, plus buyer to pay $3.75 for US 1st class mail (all 50 states). I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee PayPal is acceptable. Contact me off-list (please) at <midcentury@...> I have recently noticed that at the bottom of this page is a link for "reply to sender" which has worked for me.

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

Richard Townsend
 

I believe Speedwitch makes the proper ends for the AAR version of the car:

P102 – Postwar Ends for AAR 65’6″ Mill Gondola

$5.00

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Jan 25, 2019 6:26 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

Scott,

It occurs to me that the Greenville 65' gondolas would likely have ends and drop doors similar to the Proto 2000 models. The Proto cars included two different drop doors, so these extras might be a source of parts.

Attached is the one photo I have of these rather rare cars (on the WP at least), and wouldn't you know, the ends are dropped!

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 1/25/19 6:31 AM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:
Garth and all,

The Equipment Diagram for the WP gon appears to be consistent with the side castings of the ECW #  3010 kit, and the general A.A.R design. The problem with the kit otherwise is that there are 2 frets of cast parts needed to construct the body of the model. One fret includes the sides and center sill, the other has the rest of the parts, i.e. end castings, end doors, floor, and other details. The 2nd fret's parts seem to be consistent with the PRR G26/ G26a version ( a kit I don't have). For instance, the end frame castings have several "fins" as part of the casting: 3 horizontal on each side of the end doors, and 3 vertical ones on the end beam, located either side of the coupler pocket. These are obvious on the PRR cars but I've seen no photos of A.A.R.-designed cars with these fins.

The PRR cars have a different side stake arrangement, and were home built, while the A.A.R. designed cars were built by Greenville, Bethlehem, Pullman-Standard, and possibly others.

There were several other designs of 65' mill gons as well.    

While I'm still researching the A.A.R. design, another point seems to be that the PRR cars may be narrower- I.W.- than the A.A.R. design.

Within the next week or so, as time permits, I'll provide a more comprehensive report of my research on these cars.

   
Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent
On January 25, 2019 at 3:00 AM Garth Groff <sarahsan@...> wrote:

Ed and Ron,

WP series 9001-9050 had 20 panels, five panels on the slope and all ribs extending to the sill. These were 1949 Greenville cars. Does this match up (I don't have one of the ECW kits to compare)? General arrangement drawings can be viewed at https://www.wplives.com/diagrams/freight/1958/G9001-9050.php . Photos are found in Jim Eager's book WESTERN PACIFIC COLOR GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT (Morning Sun, 2001). Some of these cars were fitted up with temporary coil racks only over the trucks and used between USS plants at Geneva, Utah and Pittsburg (no "h"), California, over the D&RGW/WP/SN until more appropriate cars could be purchased for coil service.

E&B Valley offered a WP-lettered car, but it was actually the PRR design. I stripped mine and lettered it properly for the PRR.

The D&RGW also had similar cars built in 1948 by Pressed Steel. These were 30050-30999 (2nd series of those numbers, the orginals having been transferred to the Alaska Railroad in 1947). See Jim Eager's RIO GRANDE COLOR GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT (Morning Sun, 1996).

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff



Re: Vallejo Paint Colors

Bill Welch
 

Thank you for this link George. i have their model Hobby Paint charts for both Model Aire and Model Color. I had no idea they were such a diverse company paint wise. Really good to see such a company in the Hobby Paint business.

Bill Welch

Re: Vallejo Paint Colors

G.J. Irwin
 

https://acrylicosvallejo.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/catalogue-vallejo-fine-arts-CC012.pdf
is their catalog, the website shows most of their colors.

Charles, thanks for this information.  I've only seen the really small bottles of Vallejo where I've seen anything at all, so this is helpful.  I'm not looking in the right places!

George Irwin

Re: Alexander scale models

ron christensen
 

I found this one the internet
"One of the first pieces of equipment I noticed was this 1954 Euclid S7 scraper. Powered by a 4-71 Detroit Diesel attached to a 5 speed manual Clark transmission this green machine has a 7 yard capacity."
Also there was a note that a person found a maintenance manuals for S7 dated 1958
So I believe it is at least 1954 maybe earlier.
Ron Christensen

Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

mopacfirst
 

Aha, this car does have jacking pads.  OK, this is a definite one, if I can find decals.  Microscale 87-220 would have the lettering, and I can find dimensional data somewhere, especially since I'd be modeling it in not-new condition with a few patchouts.  The steel fabricator in Wichita could certainly have received a load in a WP gon.

The idea about using Proto gon parts is a possibility, but the ends and doors on the Proto car are wider since the prototype didn't need to be narrowed on account of taking curves. I think I have one or two Proto cars still on the layout.

Ron Merrick

Re: Twin Star Cars

spsalso
 

Thanks, Ross.

Ed

Edward Sutorik

Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Scott,

It occurs to me that the Greenville 65' gondolas would likely have ends and drop doors similar to the Proto 2000 models. The Proto cars included two different drop doors, so these extras might be a source of parts.

Attached is the one photo I have of these rather rare cars (on the WP at least), and wouldn't you know, the ends are dropped!

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 1/25/19 6:31 AM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:

Garth and all,


The Equipment Diagram for the WP gon appears to be consistent with the side castings of the ECW #  3010 kit, and the general A.A.R design. The problem with the kit otherwise is that there are 2 frets of cast parts needed to construct the body of the model. One fret includes the sides and center sill, the other has the rest of the parts, i.e. end castings, end doors, floor, and other details. The 2nd fret's parts seem to be consistent with the PRR G26/ G26a version ( a kit I don't have). For instance, the end frame castings have several "fins" as part of the casting: 3 horizontal on each side of the end doors, and 3 vertical ones on the end beam, located either side of the coupler pocket. These are obvious on the PRR cars but I've seen no photos of A.A.R.-designed cars with these fins.


The PRR cars have a different side stake arrangement, and were home built, while the A.A.R. designed cars were built by Greenville, Bethlehem, Pullman-Standard, and possibly others.


There were several other designs of 65' mill gons as well.    


While I'm still researching the A.A.R. design, another point seems to be that the PRR cars may be narrower- I.W.- than the A.A.R. design.


Within the next week or so, as time permits, I'll provide a more comprehensive report of my research on these cars.


   

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On January 25, 2019 at 3:00 AM Garth Groff <sarahsan@...> wrote:

Ed and Ron,

WP series 9001-9050 had 20 panels, five panels on the slope and all ribs extending to the sill. These were 1949 Greenville cars. Does this match up (I don't have one of the ECW kits to compare)? General arrangement drawings can be viewed at https://www.wplives.com/diagrams/freight/1958/G9001-9050.php . Photos are found in Jim Eager's book WESTERN PACIFIC COLOR GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT (Morning Sun, 2001). Some of these cars were fitted up with temporary coil racks only over the trucks and used between USS plants at Geneva, Utah and Pittsburg (no "h"), California, over the D&RGW/WP/SN until more appropriate cars could be purchased for coil service.

E&B Valley offered a WP-lettered car, but it was actually the PRR design. I stripped mine and lettered it properly for the PRR.

The D&RGW also had similar cars built in 1948 by Pressed Steel. These were 30050-30999 (2nd series of those numbers, the orginals having been transferred to the Alaska Railroad in 1947). See Jim Eager's RIO GRANDE COLOR GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT (Morning Sun, 1996).

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

mopacfirst
 

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 02:00 AM, Garth Groff wrote:
Ed and Ron,

WP series 9001-9050 had 20 panels, five panels on the slope and all ribs extending to the sill. These were 1949 Greenville cars. Does this match up (I don't have one of the ECW kits to compare)? General arrangement drawings can be viewed at https://www.wplives.com/diagrams/freight/1958/G9001-9050.php . Photos are found in Jim Eager's book WESTERN PACIFIC COLOR GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT (Morning Sun, 2001). Some of these cars were fitted up with temporary coil racks only over the trucks and used between USS plants at Geneva, Utah and Pittsburg (no "h"), California, over the D&RGW/WP/SN until more appropriate cars could be purchased for coil service.

In the WP color guide, I thought I saw the jacking pads, but the photo wasn't that distinct.  I'll look at the Rio Grande color guide tonight.  Since I model the MP in Kansas, both are reasonable choices in terms of where traffic came from.
Ron Merrick

Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

Scott H. Haycock
 

I meant to ask in my previous post: if anyone knows of an online location that includes drawings or other information about these cars, similar to Garth's equipment diagram, I'd appreciate hearing about it.


Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On January 25, 2019 at 4:31 AM "Scott H. Haycock " <shhaycock@...> wrote:

Garth and all,


The Equipment Diagram for the WP gon appears to be consistent with the side castings of the ECW #  3010 kit, and the general A.A.R design. The problem with the kit otherwise is that there are 2 frets of cast parts needed to construct the body of the model. One fret includes the sides and center sill, the other has the rest of the parts, i.e. end castings, end doors, floor, and other details. The 2nd fret's parts seem to be consistent with the PRR G26/ G26a version ( a kit I don't have). For instance, the end frame castings have several "fins" as part of the casting: 3 horizontal on each side of the end doors, and 3 vertical ones on the end beam, located either side of the coupler pocket. These are obvious on the PRR cars but I've seen no photos of A.A.R.-designed cars with these fins.


The PRR cars have a different side stake arrangement, and were home built, while the A.A.R. designed cars were built by Greenville, Bethlehem, Pullman-Standard, and possibly others.


There were several other designs of 65' mill gons as well.    


While I'm still researching the A.A.R. design, another point seems to be that the PRR cars may be narrower- I.W.- than the A.A.R. design.


Within the next week or so, as time permits, I'll provide a more comprehensive report of my research on these cars.


   

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On January 25, 2019 at 3:00 AM Garth Groff <sarahsan@...> wrote:

Ed and Ron,

WP series 9001-9050 had 20 panels, five panels on the slope and all ribs extending to the sill. These were 1949 Greenville cars. Does this match up (I don't have one of the ECW kits to compare)? General arrangement drawings can be viewed at https://www.wplives.com/diagrams/freight/1958/G9001-9050.php . Photos are found in Jim Eager's book WESTERN PACIFIC COLOR GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT (Morning Sun, 2001). Some of these cars were fitted up with temporary coil racks only over the trucks and used between USS plants at Geneva, Utah and Pittsburg (no "h"), California, over the D&RGW/WP/SN until more appropriate cars could be purchased for coil service.

E&B Valley offered a WP-lettered car, but it was actually the PRR design. I stripped mine and lettered it properly for the PRR.

The D&RGW also had similar cars built in 1948 by Pressed Steel. These were 30050-30999 (2nd series of those numbers, the orginals having been transferred to the Alaska Railroad in 1947). See Jim Eager's RIO GRANDE COLOR GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT (Morning Sun, 1996).

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 1/24/19 10:29 PM, mopacfirst wrote:
I am curious if there is any prototype for the 3010 kit.  None of the gons discussed earlier in this topic appear to match.
So.
Does anyone know such a prototype?  So far, I haven't found a match.

Edward Sutorik


That's exactly what I've been chasing.  One issue I see is the jacking pads, which other builders of this model have talked about removing.  Those appear on the NYC 623-G lot, which is a fairly different car, but I have not seen any on any other pictures of 20-panel 65' gons where the slope spans five panels.  The ECW model also has little molded parts (parts 15 and 16 on the instruction sheet) which represent the right and left end 'ladders' or grab irons mounted on an angle iron of some sort similar to the way a ladder would be built.  To me, that's one positive thing that distinguishes this model from the Athearn, which is much more available and much less work.  There are some prototypes that have separate grabs on the right end of the side, the SP G-70-2, 9 and 14 among them, so leaving off those parts and adding wire grabs would be easier than carving some off.

There are quite a number of other cars that have deep fishbelly sides but four or 2-1/2 panels on the slope, and quite a number of cars that have a shallower fishbelly and two panels on the slope, including unfortunately the MP prototypes which are the most interest to me.  I may look for other riveted side gons that could be sacrificed to allow splicing sides together, but the panel spacing might be an issue.  One never knows, if there is enough time and patience.

The Seaboard and Illinois Terminal cars shown in the Hendrickson article reference above have the same panel configuration as the model along with grab irons rather than the 'ladder', like the SP cars.  The L&N, Rock Island and Frisco cars shown, and some of the Southern, are also slightly off, having four panels on the slope.  I'm not concerned with top chord reinforcements, since those are easily added.

I'd do an ITC if I could figure out the decals, or an SP.  These cars could use the dimensional data in the Speedwitch set.

Ron Merrick


 


 


 


 

Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

Scott H. Haycock
 

Garth and all,


The Equipment Diagram for the WP gon appears to be consistent with the side castings of the ECW #  3010 kit, and the general A.A.R design. The problem with the kit otherwise is that there are 2 frets of cast parts needed to construct the body of the model. One fret includes the sides and center sill, the other has the rest of the parts, i.e. end castings, end doors, floor, and other details. The 2nd fret's parts seem to be consistent with the PRR G26/ G26a version ( a kit I don't have). For instance, the end frame castings have several "fins" as part of the casting: 3 horizontal on each side of the end doors, and 3 vertical ones on the end beam, located either side of the coupler pocket. These are obvious on the PRR cars but I've seen no photos of A.A.R.-designed cars with these fins.


The PRR cars have a different side stake arrangement, and were home built, while the A.A.R. designed cars were built by Greenville, Bethlehem, Pullman-Standard, and possibly others.


There were several other designs of 65' mill gons as well.    


While I'm still researching the A.A.R. design, another point seems to be that the PRR cars may be narrower- I.W.- than the A.A.R. design.


Within the next week or so, as time permits, I'll provide a more comprehensive report of my research on these cars.


   

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On January 25, 2019 at 3:00 AM Garth Groff <sarahsan@...> wrote:

Ed and Ron,

WP series 9001-9050 had 20 panels, five panels on the slope and all ribs extending to the sill. These were 1949 Greenville cars. Does this match up (I don't have one of the ECW kits to compare)? General arrangement drawings can be viewed at https://www.wplives.com/diagrams/freight/1958/G9001-9050.php . Photos are found in Jim Eager's book WESTERN PACIFIC COLOR GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT (Morning Sun, 2001). Some of these cars were fitted up with temporary coil racks only over the trucks and used between USS plants at Geneva, Utah and Pittsburg (no "h"), California, over the D&RGW/WP/SN until more appropriate cars could be purchased for coil service.

E&B Valley offered a WP-lettered car, but it was actually the PRR design. I stripped mine and lettered it properly for the PRR.

The D&RGW also had similar cars built in 1948 by Pressed Steel. These were 30050-30999 (2nd series of those numbers, the orginals having been transferred to the Alaska Railroad in 1947). See Jim Eager's RIO GRANDE COLOR GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT (Morning Sun, 1996).

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 1/24/19 10:29 PM, mopacfirst wrote:
I am curious if there is any prototype for the 3010 kit.  None of the gons discussed earlier in this topic appear to match.
So.
Does anyone know such a prototype?  So far, I haven't found a match.

Edward Sutorik


That's exactly what I've been chasing.  One issue I see is the jacking pads, which other builders of this model have talked about removing.  Those appear on the NYC 623-G lot, which is a fairly different car, but I have not seen any on any other pictures of 20-panel 65' gons where the slope spans five panels.  The ECW model also has little molded parts (parts 15 and 16 on the instruction sheet) which represent the right and left end 'ladders' or grab irons mounted on an angle iron of some sort similar to the way a ladder would be built.  To me, that's one positive thing that distinguishes this model from the Athearn, which is much more available and much less work.  There are some prototypes that have separate grabs on the right end of the side, the SP G-70-2, 9 and 14 among them, so leaving off those parts and adding wire grabs would be easier than carving some off.

There are quite a number of other cars that have deep fishbelly sides but four or 2-1/2 panels on the slope, and quite a number of cars that have a shallower fishbelly and two panels on the slope, including unfortunately the MP prototypes which are the most interest to me.  I may look for other riveted side gons that could be sacrificed to allow splicing sides together, but the panel spacing might be an issue.  One never knows, if there is enough time and patience.

The Seaboard and Illinois Terminal cars shown in the Hendrickson article reference above have the same panel configuration as the model along with grab irons rather than the 'ladder', like the SP cars.  The L&N, Rock Island and Frisco cars shown, and some of the Southern, are also slightly off, having four panels on the slope.  I'm not concerned with top chord reinforcements, since those are easily added.

I'd do an ITC if I could figure out the decals, or an SP.  These cars could use the dimensional data in the Speedwitch set.

Ron Merrick


 


 

Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Ed and Ron,

WP series 9001-9050 had 20 panels, five panels on the slope and all ribs extending to the sill. These were 1949 Greenville cars. Does this match up (I don't have one of the ECW kits to compare)? General arrangement drawings can be viewed at https://www.wplives.com/diagrams/freight/1958/G9001-9050.php . Photos are found in Jim Eager's book WESTERN PACIFIC COLOR GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT (Morning Sun, 2001). Some of these cars were fitted up with temporary coil racks only over the trucks and used between USS plants at Geneva, Utah and Pittsburg (no "h"), California, over the D&RGW/WP/SN until more appropriate cars could be purchased for coil service.

E&B Valley offered a WP-lettered car, but it was actually the PRR design. I stripped mine and lettered it properly for the PRR.

The D&RGW also had similar cars built in 1948 by Pressed Steel. These were 30050-30999 (2nd series of those numbers, the orginals having been transferred to the Alaska Railroad in 1947). See Jim Eager's RIO GRANDE COLOR GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT (Morning Sun, 1996).

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 1/24/19 10:29 PM, mopacfirst wrote:
I am curious if there is any prototype for the 3010 kit.  None of the gons discussed earlier in this topic appear to match.
So.
Does anyone know such a prototype?  So far, I haven't found a match.

Edward Sutorik


That's exactly what I've been chasing.  One issue I see is the jacking pads, which other builders of this model have talked about removing.  Those appear on the NYC 623-G lot, which is a fairly different car, but I have not seen any on any other pictures of 20-panel 65' gons where the slope spans five panels.  The ECW model also has little molded parts (parts 15 and 16 on the instruction sheet) which represent the right and left end 'ladders' or grab irons mounted on an angle iron of some sort similar to the way a ladder would be built.  To me, that's one positive thing that distinguishes this model from the Athearn, which is much more available and much less work.  There are some prototypes that have separate grabs on the right end of the side, the SP G-70-2, 9 and 14 among them, so leaving off those parts and adding wire grabs would be easier than carving some off.

There are quite a number of other cars that have deep fishbelly sides but four or 2-1/2 panels on the slope, and quite a number of cars that have a shallower fishbelly and two panels on the slope, including unfortunately the MP prototypes which are the most interest to me.  I may look for other riveted side gons that could be sacrificed to allow splicing sides together, but the panel spacing might be an issue.  One never knows, if there is enough time and patience.

The Seaboard and Illinois Terminal cars shown in the Hendrickson article reference above have the same panel configuration as the model along with grab irons rather than the 'ladder', like the SP cars.  The L&N, Rock Island and Frisco cars shown, and some of the Southern, are also slightly off, having four panels on the slope.  I'm not concerned with top chord reinforcements, since those are easily added.

I'd do an ITC if I could figure out the decals, or an SP.  These cars could use the dimensional data in the Speedwitch set.

Ron Merrick

Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

spsalso
 

Ron,

I found the jacking pads on a WP car; and, I think, at least one other.  But then the ends are kinda different.  Otherwise, real close.

I'm not too worried about ladders vs. grabs, as I figure that part's a do-it-yerself kind of thing.

Ed

Edward Sutorik

Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

mopacfirst
 

I am curious if there is any prototype for the 3010 kit.  None of the gons discussed earlier in this topic appear to match.
So.
Does anyone know such a prototype?  So far, I haven't found a match.

Edward Sutorik


That's exactly what I've been chasing.  One issue I see is the jacking pads, which other builders of this model have talked about removing.  Those appear on the NYC 623-G lot, which is a fairly different car, but I have not seen any on any other pictures of 20-panel 65' gons where the slope spans five panels.  The ECW model also has little molded parts (parts 15 and 16 on the instruction sheet) which represent the right and left end 'ladders' or grab irons mounted on an angle iron of some sort similar to the way a ladder would be built.  To me, that's one positive thing that distinguishes this model from the Athearn, which is much more available and much less work.  There are some prototypes that have separate grabs on the right end of the side, the SP G-70-2, 9 and 14 among them, so leaving off those parts and adding wire grabs would be easier than carving some off.

There are quite a number of other cars that have deep fishbelly sides but four or 2-1/2 panels on the slope, and quite a number of cars that have a shallower fishbelly and two panels on the slope, including unfortunately the MP prototypes which are the most interest to me.  I may look for other riveted side gons that could be sacrificed to allow splicing sides together, but the panel spacing might be an issue.  One never knows, if there is enough time and patience.

The Seaboard and Illinois Terminal cars shown in the Hendrickson article reference above have the same panel configuration as the model along with grab irons rather than the 'ladder', like the SP cars.  The L&N, Rock Island and Frisco cars shown, and some of the Southern, are also slightly off, having four panels on the slope.  I'm not concerned with top chord reinforcements, since those are easily added.

I'd do an ITC if I could figure out the decals, or an SP.  These cars could use the dimensional data in the Speedwitch set.

Ron Merrick

Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

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I am curious if there is any prototype for the 3010 kit.  None of the gons discussed earlier in this topic appear to match.

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Does anyone know such a prototype?  So far, I haven't found a match.


Ed

Edward Sutorik