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Re: Tank car identity...

brianleppert@att.net
 

In my first reply I should have written X-3 design.  And this would make for a great kit.

Brian Leppert


Re: Tank car identity...

brianleppert@att.net
 

Jack, there's a color photo of one of these tank cars in your book, page 13.  The yellow lettering can be made out.

Brian Leppert


Re: Tank car identity...

brianleppert@att.net
 

It looks like a UTLX insulated 6500 tank.  The side sills and tank saddles look like the Z-3 design and the single valve on the dome matches 6500 gallon capacity.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: Tank car identity...

Tom Madden
 

Looks like the Resin Car Works 8K insulated tank kit would be awfully close.

Tom Madden


Re: Ertl Boxcar

Clark Propst
 

I've built many models from the Ertl car. I like it better than the Accurail (separate grabs) and the Westerfield resin kit (ease to get LOR [LayOut Ready] and cost) Trucks should be tossed, grabs can be, also easily back date to K type brakes.
I'll take it if you don't want it  ;  ))
Clark Propst


Re: Ertl Boxcar

Todd Horton
 

I model 1957, I couldn't remember what car design the ERTL model was of. 
 
Todd Horton



From: Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io <sullivant41@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Ertl Boxcar

Wow.  Many railroads had them.  It might be easier for us to reply if we knew what part of the country you are modeling (New England, Pacific NW, etc.), then we could list the railroads from that area that had them.  Another aspect of your question is that many of these USRA double sheathed cars were rebuilt in various ways in the 1930s and 1940s with steel sides, ends and roof.   Providing the era you model would also be helpful in providing useful answers.

Todd Sullivan.



Tank car identity...

Jack Burgess
 

I posted a photo (of which the attached is only a portion) to the Yosemite Valley Railroad chat list a week ago and one of the members asked me for the identity of the tank car in that photo. I know that the YV hauled a lot of 6,500 Van Dyke tank cars of Bunker C to the upper end of the line but this is certainly not a one of those cars.

 

Can anyone tell me the tank size and possibly the manufacturer of the tank car. Also, are there any kits available for it?

 

Thanks…

 

Jack Burgess


Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

anthony wagner
 

Already did on the two I have built so far. T

On Saturday, January 26, 2019, 1:21:16 PM CST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



If one is just a half way decent modeler it's easy to figure out how to
drop the height of the
ECW gondola kits. Just make sure you do, because they look ridiculous
otherwise. :-)

Tim O'


On 1/25/2019 7:15 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
> Ron Merrick wrote:
> "I have my G26 assembled, up to the point of adding grabs.  I'm going to carve off the molded grabs on the end and put wire grabs there too."
>
> Ensure you address the most serious operational issue of this kit - the model rides too high on its trucks.  See Elden's TKM article for details on fixing this.
>
>
> Ben Hom


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*




RI 141000 - 142000 single sheathed XM

mopacfirst
 

These cars were all built with vertical shaft brakewheel, according to the Sunshine datasheet and early photos.  Were any ever converted to geared brake with vertical wheel?

Ron Merrick


Re: Ertl Boxcar

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Doug and Ben,

While most USRA DS boxcars rode on their original Andrews trucks until scrapped, a few did receive AAR sideframe trucks. There is a photo of TH&B 4612 on page 72 of the December 1997 RMC with AAR trucks.

The GN still had almost 400 of these cars in original condition in 1959. Some USRA cars, and some of their 7/8-end clones, received modernized brakes in the 1950s. It is possible some USRA cars also received AAR trucks. The only photo I could find on AAR trucks is of clone 30411 (which also got a corrugated steel door) in the May 1988 DING.

Maybe our GN mavens can document some of the true USRA cars on AAR trucks.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 1/26/19 10:49 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Doug Harding wrote:
"The trucks often need attention with the truck tuner tool."

You should want to replace the model's trucks with Andrews trucks as delivered on the prototype.  I don't remember seeing any USRA DS boxcars in the transition era with replacement trucks.


Ben Hom






Re: Vallejo Paint Colors

Charles Happel
 

That's more than my bank will do ;-P

Chuck Happel

Make crime pay. Become a lawyer. Will Rogers

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On Sat, 1/26/19, G.J. Irwin <groups@irwinsjournal.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Vallejo Paint Colors
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Date: Saturday, January 26, 2019, 1:22 PM

Bill, I can't take credit for
posting the link to the Vallejo catalog... earlier in the
thread Charles Happel posted it.

Giving credit where it's due...

--George Irwin


Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

Tim O'Connor
 

If one is just a half way decent modeler it's easy to figure out how to drop the height of the
ECW gondola kits. Just make sure you do, because they look ridiculous otherwise. :-)

Tim O'

On 1/25/2019 7:15 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Ron Merrick wrote:
"I have my G26 assembled, up to the point of adding grabs.  I'm going to carve off the molded grabs on the end and put wire grabs there too."

Ensure you address the most serious operational issue of this kit - the model rides too high on its trucks.  See Elden's TKM article for details on fixing this.


Ben Hom
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Vallejo Paint Colors

G.J. Irwin
 

Bill, I can't take credit for posting the link to the Vallejo catalog... earlier in the thread Charles Happel posted it.

Giving credit where it's due...

--George Irwin


Re: Ertl Boxcar

Benjamin Hom
 

Doug Harding wrote:
"The trucks often need attention with the truck tuner tool."

You should want to replace the model's trucks with Andrews trucks as delivered on the prototype.  I don't remember seeing any USRA DS boxcars in the transition era with replacement trucks.


Ben Hom


Re: Ertl Boxcar

Todd Sullivan
 

Wow.  Many railroads had them.  It might be easier for us to reply if we knew what part of the country you are modeling (New England, Pacific NW, etc.), then we could list the railroads from that area that had them.  Another aspect of your question is that many of these USRA double sheathed cars were rebuilt in various ways in the 1930s and 1940s with steel sides, ends and roof.   Providing the era you model would also be helpful in providing useful answers.

Todd Sullivan.


Re: Ertl Boxcar

Benjamin Hom
 

Todd Horton asked:
"What railroads owned cars for this model?"

Summary of assignments at Eric Hansmann's blog here:

Scroll down to "USRA Specification 1003-B: 40-ton Double-Sheathed Box Car".

See also my spreadsheet in the legacy files section for a quick overview of these cars including secondhand owners.  See Railroad Prototype Cyclopedia, Vol 16 for lots more information.


Ben Hom.


Re: Ertl Boxcar

Todd Horton
 

What railroads owned cars for this model?

On Jan 25, 2019, at 11:09 PM, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@iowacentralrr.org> wrote:

I agree with Ben's comments. I would add the roof pops off easily, unless someone glued it on. But even then a knife blade should pop it up.

The loads Ertl sold are plastic and add almost no weight. The cars without loads have a removable floor of a light gray color. The cars need weights and metal wheelsets. The trucks often need attention with the truck tuner tool.

Couplers are held in place with plastic pin set in the coupler box cover. The cover pries off, again if someone did not glue it in place.

These are nice cars

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2019 7:23 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Ertl Boxcar

Bob Chaparro wrote::
"A few months ago I picked-up a new-in-box Ertl boxcar, a purchased based on the two dollar list price. This is the first Ertl car I have ever owned.

I just open the box to work over the car and noticed the box itself said "50' USRD Double Sheathed Boxcar". The car is a forty-foot car, so that seemed a bit strange."

An obvious typo. It's actually a pretty nice model of the 40 ft USRA DS boxcar.


"Upon further inspection it appears that the body is a one-piece casting. Ends, sides, roof and floor appear to be all one piece so adding weight may be a big problem.

My question is, am I missing something about how to open up the car body or is in indeed a one-piece casting?"

The roof is a separate piece and should pop off with little effort.


"And when I held the car I could tell it was under-weight. A check on the digital scale said it was 1.55 ounces. That's considerably under-weight."

These cars were marketed along with a line of boxcar loads mounted on false floors. The idea was modelers would buy the loads to go with the cars, pop off the roofs, and drop in the loads, which would make up some weight.


"Perhaps I should just resell the car, given all the criticisms I seen on this list about body and lettering inaccuracies for Ertl cars."

Seriously? The lettering is poorly researched (thanks, Hundman), but I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that the body is inaccurate. The grabs, while oversized, are easy to replace (as are the cast steel trucks); and adding weight, stripping, repainting, and relettering the model should be well within your skill set.


Ben Hom







Re: Vallejo Paint Colors

Bill Welch
 

Bruce, 


I use Badger's Modelflex Reefer Yellow. I am color blind which in my case means i have a hard time distinguishing some colors—Blue and Purple and Green and Brown—so I am no authority.

Bill Welch


Re: Vallejo Paint Colors

Scott H. Haycock
 

Harbor Freight has one for $7.99.


https://www.harborfreight.com/airbrush-cleaning-bottle-68154.html


Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On January 25, 2019 at 9:12 PM Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...> wrote:

Group,

Let me add one more thing to this conversation about airbrushing freight cars. As I stated I haven’t enjoyed this aspect of the hobby in the past. I watched a video on Trainmaster.TV about airbrushing and found one tool that made the whole process cleaner and easier for me, a spray out pot for $24. Iwata-Medea Universal Spray Out Pot https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DYN6ESG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_lP9sCbG7DJRVK

Any brand should work and it just replaces spraying out excess paint and running thinner through the air brush easier and cleaner versus spraying it into the booth or onto scrap material. That was enough to make it much more enjoyable to clean the airbrush or change the color.  I think having a gravity fed air brush helped as I can squeeze a few drops of paint into the cup and see its viscosity without removing the jar.  Taking Joe Fugate’s advice from the MRH PDF I now really like the squeeze bottles that Vallejo uses and you can buy separately for other paints.  Adds ease and cleanliness for me. I think that is another reason I enjoy the Vallejo products. Airbrushing even a small part now only takes ten minutes total. It is just a preference.  

Thanks for the positive response to my posts about paint colors.  I will post more as I buy more paints and add some colors from my stash of other brands.  

Best Regards,
Bruce Griffin
Ashland, MD  
 


Re: Vallejo Paint Colors

Bruce Griffin
 

Group,

Let me add one more thing to this conversation about airbrushing freight cars. As I stated I haven’t enjoyed this aspect of the hobby in the past. I watched a video on Trainmaster.TV about airbrushing and found one tool that made the whole process cleaner and easier for me, a spray out pot for $24. Iwata-Medea Universal Spray Out Pot https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DYN6ESG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_lP9sCbG7DJRVK

Any brand should work and it just replaces spraying out excess paint and running thinner through the air brush easier and cleaner versus spraying it into the booth or onto scrap material. That was enough to make it much more enjoyable to clean the airbrush or change the color.  I think having a gravity fed air brush helped as I can squeeze a few drops of paint into the cup and see its viscosity without removing the jar.  Taking Joe Fugate’s advice from the MRH PDF I now really like the squeeze bottles that Vallejo uses and you can buy separately for other paints.  Adds ease and cleanliness for me. I think that is another reason I enjoy the Vallejo products. Airbrushing even a small part now only takes ten minutes total. It is just a preference.  

Thanks for the positive response to my posts about paint colors.  I will post more as I buy more paints and add some colors from my stash of other brands.  

Best Regards,
Bruce Griffin
Ashland, MD  
 

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