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Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

Rich C
 

A few years back I started making a welded Milwaukee version from an RMC article, which actually was N scale, using Evergreen strips for the side stakes. I will need to dig it out someday and finish it.

Rich Christie

On Sunday, January 27, 2019, 12:17:28 AM CST, Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:


There is a builders photo of MILW 93503 in the 1949-51 CBC on page 175, built 5-44 at the Milwaukee shops.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
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From the single picture of each that I was able to find in the respective color guides, both the GN 79000 and MILW 93500 appear to be good matches to the ECW car, apart from the welded construction.  The MILW 93700 is not.

The GN car appears to have roller bearing trucks.

Ron Merrick


Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

Scott H. Haycock
 

In the 1949-51 CBC, There is a photo and drawings of AT&SF Class GA-55 A.A.R. mill gons, and they have the jacking pads that are on the 3010 kit sides. Unfortunately the rest of the kits parts are from the PRR G26 kit, and are not from the A.A.R. design.


Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
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On January 24, 2019 at 8:29 PM mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

I am curious if there is any prototype for the 3010 kit.  None of the gons discussed earlier in this topic appear to match.
So.
Does anyone know such a prototype?  So far, I haven't found a match.

Edward Sutorik


That's exactly what I've been chasing.  One issue I see is the jacking pads, which other builders of this model have talked about removing.  Those appear on the NYC 623-G lot, which is a fairly different car, but I have not seen any on any other pictures of 20-panel 65' gons where the slope spans five panels.  The ECW model also has little molded parts (parts 15 and 16 on the instruction sheet) which represent the right and left end 'ladders' or grab irons mounted on an angle iron of some sort similar to the way a ladder would be built.  To me, that's one positive thing that distinguishes this model from the Athearn, which is much more available and much less work.  There are some prototypes that have separate grabs on the right end of the side, the SP G-70-2, 9 and 14 among them, so leaving off those parts and adding wire grabs would be easier than carving some off.

There are quite a number of other cars that have deep fishbelly sides but four or 2-1/2 panels on the slope, and quite a number of cars that have a shallower fishbelly and two panels on the slope, including unfortunately the MP prototypes which are the most interest to me.  I may look for other riveted side gons that could be sacrificed to allow splicing sides together, but the panel spacing might be an issue.  One never knows, if there is enough time and patience.

The Seaboard and Illinois Terminal cars shown in the Hendrickson article reference above have the same panel configuration as the model along with grab irons rather than the 'ladder', like the SP cars.  The L&N, Rock Island and Frisco cars shown, and some of the Southern, are also slightly off, having four panels on the slope.  I'm not concerned with top chord reinforcements, since those are easily added.

I'd do an ITC if I could figure out the decals, or an SP.  These cars could use the dimensional data in the Speedwitch set.

Ron Merrick


Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

Scott H. Haycock
 

There is a builders photo of MILW 93503 in the 1949-51 CBC on page 175, built 5-44 at the Milwaukee shops.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent


From the single picture of each that I was able to find in the respective color guides, both the GN 79000 and MILW 93500 appear to be good matches to the ECW car, apart from the welded construction.  The MILW 93700 is not.

The GN car appears to have roller bearing trucks.

Ron Merrick


Re: Vallejo Paint Colors

Bill Keene
 

On my Gen 3 iPad that a Model Air Medium Yellow looks like it may work well in representing MKT Sloan Yellow. 

Any comments?

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jan 25, 2019, at 7:44 PM, Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...> wrote:

Ralph,

i only found two yellows readily available, but the stock on Amazon changes constantly. Model Air Yellow 71.078 is fairly mustard or golden yellow, while Model Air Medium Yellow 71.002 is a fairly bright yellow. The first seems like a traditional reefer color and a combination might be better for FGEX. I purchased these from Amazon, I use Amazon Prime for its free shipping, TV, and Music applications, so its a bargain for me.  

I would love to hear Bill Welch’s take on the two colors. 

I added a photo photo of the two colors next to a Stanley tape measure with a yellow for a reference. 

Beat Regards,
Bruce Griffin
Ashland, MD
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Re: Tank car identity...

Steve and Barb Hile
 

And, from the 1952 roster in the groups file section, 63055 had Type C heater coils to warm the oil for unloading.  The car was built, originally in 1916 or 17 with the heater coils and insulated jacket added in the 1920's.

Steve Hile

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Thompson
Sent: Jan 26, 2019 8:56 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tank car identity...

Jack Burgess wrote:

As a side note, I am sure that the tank car in the B/W photo is a loaded tank car but YV rules mentioned that tank cars had to be at least one car from the locomotive or one car from the caboose. Maybe they didn’t think of Bunker C as being that flammable…

     You can safely extinguish a cigarette in Bunker C. The tank car, UTLX 63055, was a 6373-gallon tank. Just check the tariff!

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: Tank car identity...

Tony Thompson
 

Jack Burgess wrote:

As a side note, I am sure that the tank car in the B/W photo is a loaded tank car but YV rules mentioned that tank cars had to be at least one car from the locomotive or one car from the caboose. Maybe they didn’t think of Bunker C as being that flammable…

     You can safely extinguish a cigarette in Bunker C. The tank car, UTLX 63055, was a 6373-gallon tank. Just check the tariff!

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: Tank car identity...

Jack Burgess
 

Attached is a portion of the photo that Brian mentions which is in my book. The engine has picked this car up at the westbound facing point turnout into National Lead which is behind the train. It was carrying Bunker C for the boiler at the plant. The date on this color photo  is March 27, 1944. I had noticed that the tank car looked a bit “unusual” but didn’t think about it being insulated. Maybe insulated cars were used during the colder months since the Bunker C needed to be above around 90 degrees to flow.

 

There is no date on the B/W photo but since the car behind the tank car is a gondola car, we know that the photo had to be taken after January 1, 1944 since the first time that gondola cars were used on the YV is after a mine opened up which was shipping zinc concentrates in them.

 

As a side note, I am sure that the tank car in the B/W photo is a loaded tank car but YV rules mentioned that tank cars had to be at least one car from the locomotive or one car from the caboose. Maybe they didn’t think of Bunker C as being that flammable…

 

Jack Burgess


Re: Tank car identity...

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Hi Jack,

While I might be accused of seeing UTLX cars in lots of places, it is likely that this is an insulated X-3 tank car of 6500 gallon capacity, probably carrying asphalt.  This type of car would have been numbered in the 6xxxx range.  I am away from my material and  a copy of the book at the moment, but this is what this car looks like to me.

Hope this helps.
Steve Hile

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Burgess
Sent: Jan 26, 2019 5:37 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Tank car identity...

I posted a photo (of which the attached is only a portion) to the Yosemite Valley Railroad chat list a week ago and one of the members asked me for the identity of the tank car in that photo. I know that the YV hauled a lot of 6,500 Van Dyke tank cars of Bunker C to the upper end of the line but this is certainly not a one of those cars.

 

Can anyone tell me the tank size and possibly the manufacturer of the tank car. Also, are there any kits available for it?

 

Thanks…

 

Jack Burgess


Re: Ertl Boxcar

Alice Devenny
 

Group:

FWIW, I have found the Ertl trucks to be too soft and have had a few break at the bolster-side frame connection while replacing wheelsets.  Much better to simply replace the Ertl trucks with your preferred trucks at the beginning.

Tom Devenny
East Norriton, PA


Re: Tank car identity...

brianleppert@att.net
 

In my first reply I should have written X-3 design.  And this would make for a great kit.

Brian Leppert


Re: Tank car identity...

brianleppert@att.net
 

Jack, there's a color photo of one of these tank cars in your book, page 13.  The yellow lettering can be made out.

Brian Leppert


Re: Tank car identity...

brianleppert@att.net
 

It looks like a UTLX insulated 6500 tank.  The side sills and tank saddles look like the Z-3 design and the single valve on the dome matches 6500 gallon capacity.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: Tank car identity...

Tom Madden
 

Looks like the Resin Car Works 8K insulated tank kit would be awfully close.

Tom Madden


Re: Ertl Boxcar

Clark Propst
 

I've built many models from the Ertl car. I like it better than the Accurail (separate grabs) and the Westerfield resin kit (ease to get LOR [LayOut Ready] and cost) Trucks should be tossed, grabs can be, also easily back date to K type brakes.
I'll take it if you don't want it  ;  ))
Clark Propst


Re: Ertl Boxcar

Todd Horton
 

I model 1957, I couldn't remember what car design the ERTL model was of. 
 
Todd Horton



From: Todd Sullivan via Groups.Io <sullivant41@...>
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Ertl Boxcar

Wow.  Many railroads had them.  It might be easier for us to reply if we knew what part of the country you are modeling (New England, Pacific NW, etc.), then we could list the railroads from that area that had them.  Another aspect of your question is that many of these USRA double sheathed cars were rebuilt in various ways in the 1930s and 1940s with steel sides, ends and roof.   Providing the era you model would also be helpful in providing useful answers.

Todd Sullivan.



Tank car identity...

Jack Burgess
 

I posted a photo (of which the attached is only a portion) to the Yosemite Valley Railroad chat list a week ago and one of the members asked me for the identity of the tank car in that photo. I know that the YV hauled a lot of 6,500 Van Dyke tank cars of Bunker C to the upper end of the line but this is certainly not a one of those cars.

 

Can anyone tell me the tank size and possibly the manufacturer of the tank car. Also, are there any kits available for it?

 

Thanks…

 

Jack Burgess


Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

anthony wagner
 

Already did on the two I have built so far. T

On Saturday, January 26, 2019, 1:21:16 PM CST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



If one is just a half way decent modeler it's easy to figure out how to
drop the height of the
ECW gondola kits. Just make sure you do, because they look ridiculous
otherwise. :-)

Tim O'


On 1/25/2019 7:15 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
> Ron Merrick wrote:
> "I have my G26 assembled, up to the point of adding grabs.  I'm going to carve off the molded grabs on the end and put wire grabs there too."
>
> Ensure you address the most serious operational issue of this kit - the model rides too high on its trucks.  See Elden's TKM article for details on fixing this.
>
>
> Ben Hom


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*




RI 141000 - 142000 single sheathed XM

mopacfirst
 

These cars were all built with vertical shaft brakewheel, according to the Sunshine datasheet and early photos.  Were any ever converted to geared brake with vertical wheel?

Ron Merrick


Re: Ertl Boxcar

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Doug and Ben,

While most USRA DS boxcars rode on their original Andrews trucks until scrapped, a few did receive AAR sideframe trucks. There is a photo of TH&B 4612 on page 72 of the December 1997 RMC with AAR trucks.

The GN still had almost 400 of these cars in original condition in 1959. Some USRA cars, and some of their 7/8-end clones, received modernized brakes in the 1950s. It is possible some USRA cars also received AAR trucks. The only photo I could find on AAR trucks is of clone 30411 (which also got a corrugated steel door) in the May 1988 DING.

Maybe our GN mavens can document some of the true USRA cars on AAR trucks.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 1/26/19 10:49 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Doug Harding wrote:
"The trucks often need attention with the truck tuner tool."

You should want to replace the model's trucks with Andrews trucks as delivered on the prototype.  I don't remember seeing any USRA DS boxcars in the transition era with replacement trucks.


Ben Hom






Re: Vallejo Paint Colors

Charles Happel
 

That's more than my bank will do ;-P

Chuck Happel

Make crime pay. Become a lawyer. Will Rogers

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On Sat, 1/26/19, G.J. Irwin <groups@irwinsjournal.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Vallejo Paint Colors
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Date: Saturday, January 26, 2019, 1:22 PM

Bill, I can't take credit for
posting the link to the Vallejo catalog... earlier in the
thread Charles Happel posted it.

Giving credit where it's due...

--George Irwin

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