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Re: Ertl Boxcar

Donald B. Valentine
 

    I'm with you, Clark, and for the same reasons. The Ertl USRA double sheathed boxcar can be fund at bargain prices quite often and is a great model to clean up, repaint and reletter for any number of roads. I have at least two dozen of them around here, some of which have been upgraded in various ways and some of which are on the "to do" list. All are appreciated and the gondola is as well.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Ertl Boxcar

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Don,

Agreed on the Ertl boxcars. Since there weren't many of these left in near-original condition by 1958, I confined myself to just two: one SP&S and a somewhat modified GN car.

The flat cars are also excellent, essentially being a knock-off of the Tichy model. In a June 1993 RMJ article Richard Hendrickson said  the flat was good for several roads pretty much as-is (T&P, SP&S, NC&STL, CN and CP and some Lackawanna home-builts). He threw in SSW, but they were a bit longer. In correspondence on the old group I have on file Ben Hom suggested N&W.

The gondola is more problematic. I believe Richard found that it was only good as-is for one group of Maine Central cars. Add a fishbelly center sill on you can do one class from the ACL (Ertl offered the car lettered for ACL, but painted FCR instead of black). Do you have any other ideas? I have a couple stashed away that I will do something with someday.

I don't know about the Ertl cars' availability. The last time I saw some of the boxcars at a train show, there were a half-dozen used pieces (pretty banged up, and a couple missing roofs), and with a very high price. Since I can't justify any more of them in my collection, I passed. I would have grabbed the flats or gons.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 1/27/19 11:08 PM, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io wrote:
    I'm with you, Clark, and for the same reasons. The Ertl USRA double sheathed boxcar can be fund at bargain prices quite often and is a great model to clean up, repaint and reletter for any number of roads. I have at least two dozen of them around here, some of which have been upgraded in various ways and some of which are on the "to do" list. All are appreciated and the gondola is as well.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Alexander scale models

Bill Welch
 

So it appears there are two distinct scrapper models available: http://donmillsmodels.com/product/euclid-70fdt-89w-bottom-dump/

Bill Welch

RMC

 

To all - Had dinner with Wayne Wesolowski  yesterday.  He says Steven Priest is out as editor of RMC.  Has anyone heard anything? – Al W.

 

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Re: Alexander scale models

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

The Don MIlls resin model is not a scraper … it’s a 1940’s-50’s Euclid bottom-dump off road truck. It’s a nice model.

The Stewart soft-metal model is a 1950’s-60’s vintage scraper. These machines were somewhat “streamlined”, and look more modern than they are. It’s a rather cude model, but reasonably accurate. 

Such machines often lasted a long time, so the two machines overlap in vintage. They operated up into the 1970’s at least. Some restored examples can still be seen today at HCEA shows and similar.

The only other such HO models are the plastic Caterpillar scrapers made by Roco-MiniMovers which are quite nice. These are larger and more recent machines, though still “vintage” by modern standards. There were two versions, each with the same scraper bowl, one with a 2-wheeled tractor, and one with a four-wheel tractor.

Nowadays there are also some diecast metal models of far more modern scrapers, some with twin engines.

Dan Mitchell
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On Jan 28, 2019, at 6:59 AM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

So it appears there are two distinct scrapper models available: http://donmillsmodels.com/product/euclid-70fdt-89w-bottom-dump/

Bill Welch

Re: RMC

pennsylvania1954
 

Steven Priest has apparently moved on to Scaletrains.com.

Discussion at Model Railroad Hobbyist here: https://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/35319
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Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

Re: RMC

David_Fullerton
 

Steve Priest has moved to ScaleTrains.com


https://www.scaletrains.com/blogs/company-news/press-release-stephen-priest-joins-scaletrains-com-as-the-marketing-manager


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David Fullerton

Doha, Qatar



On January 28, 2019 at 5:56 PM al_westerfield <westerfieldalfred@...> wrote:

To all - Had dinner with Wayne Wesolowski  yesterday.  He says Steven Priest is out as editor of RMC.  Has anyone heard anything? – Al W.

 



Re: Alexander scale models

Bruce Smith
 

Now, if anyone wants to offer a 1940’s era LeTourneau towed scraper for me to load on a flat car, that would make me very happy! (Photo is from the Signal Corps Archive, Library of Va)

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."




On Jan 28, 2019, at 8:56 AM, Daniel A. Mitchell <danmitch@...> wrote:

The Don MIlls resin model is not a scraper … it’s a 1940’s-50’s Euclid bottom-dump off road truck. It’s a nice model.

The Stewart soft-metal model is a 1950’s-60’s vintage scraper. These machines were somewhat “streamlined”, and look more modern than they are. It’s a rather cude model, but reasonably accurate. 

Such machines often lasted a long time, so the two machines overlap in vintage. They operated up into the 1970’s at least. Some restored examples can still be seen today at HCEA shows and similar.

The only other such HO models are the plastic Caterpillar scrapers made by Roco-MiniMovers which are quite nice. These are larger and more recent machines, though still “vintage” by modern standards. There were two versions, each with the same scraper bowl, one with a 2-wheeled tractor, and one with a four-wheel tractor.

Nowadays there are also some diecast metal models of far more modern scrapers, some with twin engines.

Dan Mitchell
==========
On Jan 28, 2019, at 6:59 AM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

So it appears there are two distinct scrapper models available: http://donmillsmodels.com/product/euclid-70fdt-89w-bottom-dump/

Bill Welch


Re: Alexander scale models

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

YES! … That was the most common scraper of the WWII period, and many lasted far beyond that. It’s distinctive, so there are no substitutes, and it’s a rather complicated-looking machine that adds interest as a model. The LeTourneau scrapers came in several sizes, but most looked pretty much the same. Nearly all were pulled by crawler tractors of any make and appropriate size.

There were also the self-propelled Tournapull Super-C machines with a two-wheeled rubber-tired tractor. The bowl of the Tournapull was almost the same as on the towed scrapers.

Models of all these are available in 1/48 scale, but none in HO.

WAY back (1950’s? RMC?) there was a very brief article in one of the model railroad magazines on how to scratch built an HO version. Despite it’s complexity it wouldn’t be too difficult to scratchbuild one … most everything is either a rectangular beam or a flat plate. The tires could be scrounged from some other HO earthmover.

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Jan 28, 2019, at 11:29 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Now, if anyone wants to offer a 1940’s era LeTourneau towed scraper for me to load on a flat car, that would make me very happy! (Photo is from the Signal Corps Archive, Library of Va)
Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith            
Auburn, AL
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

<LeTourneau.jpg>


On Jan 28, 2019, at 8:56 AM, Daniel A. Mitchell <danmitch@...> wrote:

The Don MIlls resin model is not a scraper … it’s a 1940’s-50’s Euclid bottom-dump off road truck. It’s a nice model.

The Stewart soft-metal model is a 1950’s-60’s vintage scraper. These machines were somewhat “streamlined”, and look more modern than they are. It’s a rather cude model, but reasonably accurate. 

Such machines often lasted a long time, so the two machines overlap in vintage. They operated up into the 1970’s at least. Some restored examples can still be seen today at HCEA shows and similar.

The only other such HO models are the plastic Caterpillar scrapers made by Roco-MiniMovers which are quite nice. These are larger and more recent machines, though still “vintage” by modern standards. There were two versions, each with the same scraper bowl, one with a 2-wheeled tractor, and one with a four-wheel tractor.

Nowadays there are also some diecast metal models of far more modern scrapers, some with twin engines.

Dan Mitchell
==========
On Jan 28, 2019, at 6:59 AM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

So it appears there are two distinct scrapper models available: http://donmillsmodels.com/product/euclid-70fdt-89w-bottom-dump/

Bill Welch



Re: Alexander scale models

ford.donald77
 

Group
i have two sets of Mercury Euclid TS-24 double engine scrapers that came with a blade mounted crawler tractor and a rubber tired front end loader.  I think they were promotional gifts of Euclid.  I got them when I worked a Blum's Hobby House in downtown Cleveland Ohio in 1960 or 61.  I think they are a little small for HO scale.  in 1958 I was driving truck and we would haul tires for Euclid from Goodyear on the west side of Cleveland to the Euclid plant trapped even on bright sunny day. Keen Driveaway would haul these on drop deck low-boys with just one set of tire on trailer and one set on the ground, terrible ride.
My computer skills don't allow me to photograph and post here.

Don Ford 
PRRT&HS 4255
Cameron Missouri

On Monday, January 28, 2019, 11:17:23 AM CST, Daniel A. Mitchell <danmitch@...> wrote:


YES! … That was the most common scraper of the WWII period, and many lasted far beyond that. It’s distinctive, so there are no substitutes, and it’s a rather complicated-looking machine that adds interest as a model. The LeTourneau scrapers came in several sizes, but most looked pretty much the same. Nearly all were pulled by crawler tractors of any make and appropriate size.

There were also the self-propelled Tournapull Super-C machines with a two-wheeled rubber-tired tractor. The bowl of the Tournapull was almost the same as on the towed scrapers.

Models of all these are available in 1/48 scale, but none in HO.

WAY back (1950’s? RMC?) there was a very brief article in one of the model railroad magazines on how to scratch built an HO version. Despite it’s complexity it wouldn’t be too difficult to scratchbuild one … most everything is either a rectangular beam or a flat plate. The tires could be scrounged from some other HO earthmover.

Dan Mitchell
==========
On Jan 28, 2019, at 11:29 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Now, if anyone wants to offer a 1940’s era LeTourneau towed scraper for me to load on a flat car, that would make me very happy! (Photo is from the Signal Corps Archive, Library of Va)
Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith            
Auburn, AL
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

<LeTourneau.jpg>


On Jan 28, 2019, at 8:56 AM, Daniel A. Mitchell <danmitch@...> wrote:

The Don MIlls resin model is not a scraper … it’s a 1940’s-50’s Euclid bottom-dump off road truck. It’s a nice model.

The Stewart soft-metal model is a 1950’s-60’s vintage scraper. These machines were somewhat “streamlined”, and look more modern than they are. It’s a rather cude model, but reasonably accurate. 

Such machines often lasted a long time, so the two machines overlap in vintage. They operated up into the 1970’s at least. Some restored examples can still be seen today at HCEA shows and similar.

The only other such HO models are the plastic Caterpillar scrapers made by Roco-MiniMovers which are quite nice. These are larger and more recent machines, though still “vintage” by modern standards. There were two versions, each with the same scraper bowl, one with a 2-wheeled tractor, and one with a four-wheel tractor.

Nowadays there are also some diecast metal models of far more modern scrapers, some with twin engines.

Dan Mitchell
==========
On Jan 28, 2019, at 6:59 AM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

So it appears there are two distinct scrapper models available: http://donmillsmodels.com/product/euclid-70fdt-89w-bottom-dump/

Bill Welch



Re: Freight car handling film from 1952 (Boxcar Roof Design)

Bob Chaparro
 

The stress of switching impacts on boxcar roofs is demonstrated at 18:05 in this film.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

Re: Ertl Boxcar

Benjamin Hom
 

Garth Groff wrote:
"The flat cars are also excellent, essentially being a knock-off of the Tichy model. In a June 1993 RMJ article Richard Hendrickson said  the flat was good for several roads pretty much as-is (T&P, SP&S, NC&STL, CN and CP and some Lackawanna home-builts). He threw in SSW, but they were a bit longer. In correspondence on the old group I have on file Ben Hom suggested N&W."

N&W Class FE:


"I don't know about the Ertl cars' availability. The last time I saw some of the boxcars at a train show, there were a half-dozen used pieces (pretty banged up, and a couple missing roofs), and with a very high price. Since I can't justify any more of them in my collection, I passed. I would have grabbed the flats or gons."

A quick way to gauge the marketplace for a given model is to do a completed item search on eBay.  Click on the "Advanced" link next to the search bar at the top of the page and check on the "Completed listings" box on the next page.  This will filter results and show both sold and unsold completed listings.

Spoiler alert: They're not as common as Athearn boxcars, but they're not exactly rare either.


Ben Hom





Re: Ertl Boxcar

Allan Smith
 

There is an article by Mont Switzer in the February 2002 issue of Mainline Modeler about detailing an Ertl USRA Double Sheathed Boxcar. 

Al Smith
Sonora CA

On ‎Monday‎, ‎January‎ ‎28‎, ‎2019‎ ‎10‎:‎48‎:‎13‎ ‎AM‎ ‎PST, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:


Garth Groff wrote:
"The flat cars are also excellent, essentially being a knock-off of the Tichy model. In a June 1993 RMJ article Richard Hendrickson said  the flat was good for several roads pretty much as-is (T&P, SP&S, NC&STL, CN and CP and some Lackawanna home-builts). He threw in SSW, but they were a bit longer. In correspondence on the old group I have on file Ben Hom suggested N&W."

N&W Class FE:


"I don't know about the Ertl cars' availability. The last time I saw some of the boxcars at a train show, there were a half-dozen used pieces (pretty banged up, and a couple missing roofs), and with a very high price. Since I can't justify any more of them in my collection, I passed. I would have grabbed the flats or gons."

A quick way to gauge the marketplace for a given model is to do a completed item search on eBay.  Click on the "Advanced" link next to the search bar at the top of the page and check on the "Completed listings" box on the next page.  This will filter results and show both sold and unsold completed listings.

Spoiler alert: They're not as common as Athearn boxcars, but they're not exactly rare either.


Ben Hom





new run BLI 6K tanks

Jon Miller
 

    Tried to read the build date on the UTLX but to blurry.  So what's the thoughts on this latest run.  They are black which I think is good.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: RMC

William Hirt
 

Stephen announced to those of us in Kansas City area last month he taken the position at ScaleTrains. There were a number of factors in his decision (some of which Joe Fugate highlighted in the discussion on the Model Railroad Hobbyist thread someone else posted). Stephen is excited for the opportunity and hopes to do some great things at ScaleTrains. He has done research and design work for most of the major manufacturers in the hobby, so he has a good solid background for his new position at ScaleTrains.

He originally was supposed to start in May, but over the last week I have heard that ScaleTrains has asked him to start in March. So how that affects RMC, I do not know. His layout is still up and is hosting an out of town operating group this coming weekend.

As to who will be taking over as the new editor of RMC, if anyone knows, it has been kept pretty quiet. I've heard some rumors, but nothing concrete. Stephen has built a substantial back log of articles for RMC, so the next editor will have enough material available to keep the magazine running as it currently is while they get their feet on the ground.

Bill Hirt

On 1/28/2019 8:56 AM, al_westerfield wrote:

To all - Had dinner with Wayne Wesolowski  yesterday.  He says Steven Priest is out as editor of RMC.  Has anyone heard anything? – Al W.

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Re: Alexander scale models

Eric Bergh
 

The article in question was in the May 1955 Model Railroader, by L. M. Opie.
Hope this helps,
-Eric

Re: Alexander scale models

Rick Jesionowski
 

We are still using them in the 1990’s to move gravel on the North Slope. We also rebuilt them in the mid 1980’s to a like new condition. We called them B70’s.

Rick Jesionowski

Re: new run BLI 6K tanks

Steve and Barb Hile
 

The UTLX cars are good for the mid 50's and on.  They were earlier Canadian cars that were eventually absorbed into the UTLX fleet when they absorbed the Canadian subsidiaries.  See Ian Cranstone's outstanding website for more details

http://www.nakina.net/pages/cilx/cilx000101.html

Steve Hile

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Miller
Sent: Jan 28, 2019 1:15 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] new run BLI 6K tanks

    Tried to read the build date on the UTLX but to blurry.  So what's the thoughts on this latest run.  They are black which I think is good.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: new run BLI 6K tanks

Dave Parker
 

The 8113x numbers do not appear in the UTLX listings in either the 1936 or 1955 tariff books.  Steve Hile would know better but, based on his book, I am skeptical that UTLX ran this design (in a 6000-gal size) during our period.  Seems like a likely foobie.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA

Re: RMC

tjcataldo
 

Steven Priest no big lost

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 6:56 AM al_westerfield <westerfieldalfred@...> wrote:

To all - Had dinner with Wayne Wesolowski  yesterday.  He says Steven Priest is out as editor of RMC.  Has anyone heard anything? – Al W.

 



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Thomas  j Cataldo