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To all - Had dinner with Wayne Wesolowski  yesterday.  He says Steven Priest is out as editor of RMC.  Has anyone heard anything? – Al W.

 

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Re: Alexander scale models

Bill Welch
 

So it appears there are two distinct scrapper models available: http://donmillsmodels.com/product/euclid-70fdt-89w-bottom-dump/

Bill Welch

Re: Ertl Boxcar

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Don,

Agreed on the Ertl boxcars. Since there weren't many of these left in near-original condition by 1958, I confined myself to just two: one SP&S and a somewhat modified GN car.

The flat cars are also excellent, essentially being a knock-off of the Tichy model. In a June 1993 RMJ article Richard Hendrickson said  the flat was good for several roads pretty much as-is (T&P, SP&S, NC&STL, CN and CP and some Lackawanna home-builts). He threw in SSW, but they were a bit longer. In correspondence on the old group I have on file Ben Hom suggested N&W.

The gondola is more problematic. I believe Richard found that it was only good as-is for one group of Maine Central cars. Add a fishbelly center sill on you can do one class from the ACL (Ertl offered the car lettered for ACL, but painted FCR instead of black). Do you have any other ideas? I have a couple stashed away that I will do something with someday.

I don't know about the Ertl cars' availability. The last time I saw some of the boxcars at a train show, there were a half-dozen used pieces (pretty banged up, and a couple missing roofs), and with a very high price. Since I can't justify any more of them in my collection, I passed. I would have grabbed the flats or gons.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 1/27/19 11:08 PM, Donald B. Valentine via Groups.Io wrote:
    I'm with you, Clark, and for the same reasons. The Ertl USRA double sheathed boxcar can be fund at bargain prices quite often and is a great model to clean up, repaint and reletter for any number of roads. I have at least two dozen of them around here, some of which have been upgraded in various ways and some of which are on the "to do" list. All are appreciated and the gondola is as well.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Ertl Boxcar

Donald B. Valentine
 

    I'm with you, Clark, and for the same reasons. The Ertl USRA double sheathed boxcar can be fund at bargain prices quite often and is a great model to clean up, repaint and reletter for any number of roads. I have at least two dozen of them around here, some of which have been upgraded in various ways and some of which are on the "to do" list. All are appreciated and the gondola is as well.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Alexander scale models

Kent Hurley <nvrr49@...>
 

I did a lot of research on the Stewart Euclid scraper.  It is a 1940's era.  By the mid-50's they started getting larger then the model.

Kent Hurley

Re: Alexander scale models

Kent Hurley <nvrr49@...>
 

Question on D&H heralds

Craig Wilson
 

Asking for a friend modeling 1948-1952 timeframe - Albany NY - NYC

Was the Delaware & Hudson using the circle herald with "Bridge Line - Serving New England" slogan in use during this time frame?  Also when did D&H change to using the shield with "The D&H" inside?

Thanks in advance.

Craig Wilson

Good gondola models needed

mopacfirst
 

On at least two other lists, there are comments about needed models of widely used prototypes that are in the future for this list.  I'd like to nominate one that is era-appropriate here, namely the Santa Fe.Ga-82, 84, 92 and 96, which totaled 2000 cars.

If there's a model of the Caswell gon, which was also a one-owner design, surely there could be a model of this rather complex car.

Ron Merrick

Tank car identity...

Jack Burgess
 

Thanks everyone for the information on the tank car…I’ve passed it along to the YV modeler who wants to model it.

 

Jack Burgess

Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

mopacfirst
 

On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 10:23 PM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:

In the 1949-51 CBC, There is a photo and drawings of AT&SF Class GA-55 A.A.R. mill gons, and they have the jacking pads that are on the 3010 kit sides. Unfortunately the rest of the kits parts are from the PRR G26 kit, and are not from the A.A.R. design.

Scott Haycock

Now that you mention it, the Ga-47, 48, 55 and 70 all show the jacking pads.  This is from the Santa Fe flats, gons and hoppers book.  Those four classes are all of the 65' mill gons of this design that Santa Fe owned.  Good news is that the Athearn model also has the jacking pads.

Ron Merrick

 

Freight car handling film from 1952

Lester Breuer
 

A freight car handling film from 1952, in color, with some chalks marks, a nice tractor load, switching speed data and hand signals. 

Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY3e0oTBGeU 
Lester Breuer

Re: RI 141000 - 142000 single sheathed XM

Ray Breyer
 

Per the Rock's diagram book sheet for these cars (dated 8/8/1949), 141000-142499 had Universal brake wheels, and 142500-142999 had Ureco.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Saturday, January 26, 2019, 4:52:35 PM CST, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:


These cars were all built with vertical shaft brakewheel, according to the Sunshine datasheet and early photos.  Were any ever converted to geared brake with vertical wheel?

Ron Merrick

RPC Vol 1-21

John Barry
 

I have a complete set of the first 21 volumes of Railway Prototype Cyclopedia that I am offering for $525 plus shipping.  Sold as a set only.

Contact me off list at NorthBayLines at ATT dot NET

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

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Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

Rich C
 

A few years back I started making a welded Milwaukee version from an RMC article, which actually was N scale, using Evergreen strips for the side stakes. I will need to dig it out someday and finish it.

Rich Christie

On Sunday, January 27, 2019, 12:17:28 AM CST, Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:


There is a builders photo of MILW 93503 in the 1949-51 CBC on page 175, built 5-44 at the Milwaukee shops.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent


From the single picture of each that I was able to find in the respective color guides, both the GN 79000 and MILW 93500 appear to be good matches to the ECW car, apart from the welded construction.  The MILW 93700 is not.

The GN car appears to have roller bearing trucks.

Ron Merrick

Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

Scott H. Haycock
 

In the 1949-51 CBC, There is a photo and drawings of AT&SF Class GA-55 A.A.R. mill gons, and they have the jacking pads that are on the 3010 kit sides. Unfortunately the rest of the kits parts are from the PRR G26 kit, and are not from the A.A.R. design.


Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

On January 24, 2019 at 8:29 PM mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

I am curious if there is any prototype for the 3010 kit.  None of the gons discussed earlier in this topic appear to match.
So.
Does anyone know such a prototype?  So far, I haven't found a match.

Edward Sutorik


That's exactly what I've been chasing.  One issue I see is the jacking pads, which other builders of this model have talked about removing.  Those appear on the NYC 623-G lot, which is a fairly different car, but I have not seen any on any other pictures of 20-panel 65' gons where the slope spans five panels.  The ECW model also has little molded parts (parts 15 and 16 on the instruction sheet) which represent the right and left end 'ladders' or grab irons mounted on an angle iron of some sort similar to the way a ladder would be built.  To me, that's one positive thing that distinguishes this model from the Athearn, which is much more available and much less work.  There are some prototypes that have separate grabs on the right end of the side, the SP G-70-2, 9 and 14 among them, so leaving off those parts and adding wire grabs would be easier than carving some off.

There are quite a number of other cars that have deep fishbelly sides but four or 2-1/2 panels on the slope, and quite a number of cars that have a shallower fishbelly and two panels on the slope, including unfortunately the MP prototypes which are the most interest to me.  I may look for other riveted side gons that could be sacrificed to allow splicing sides together, but the panel spacing might be an issue.  One never knows, if there is enough time and patience.

The Seaboard and Illinois Terminal cars shown in the Hendrickson article reference above have the same panel configuration as the model along with grab irons rather than the 'ladder', like the SP cars.  The L&N, Rock Island and Frisco cars shown, and some of the Southern, are also slightly off, having four panels on the slope.  I'm not concerned with top chord reinforcements, since those are easily added.

I'd do an ITC if I could figure out the decals, or an SP.  These cars could use the dimensional data in the Speedwitch set.

Ron Merrick

Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

Scott H. Haycock
 

There is a builders photo of MILW 93503 in the 1949-51 CBC on page 175, built 5-44 at the Milwaukee shops.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent


From the single picture of each that I was able to find in the respective color guides, both the GN 79000 and MILW 93500 appear to be good matches to the ECW car, apart from the welded construction.  The MILW 93700 is not.

The GN car appears to have roller bearing trucks.

Ron Merrick

Re: Vallejo Paint Colors

Bill Keene
 

On my Gen 3 iPad that a Model Air Medium Yellow looks like it may work well in representing MKT Sloan Yellow. 

Any comments?

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jan 25, 2019, at 7:44 PM, Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...> wrote:

Ralph,

i only found two yellows readily available, but the stock on Amazon changes constantly. Model Air Yellow 71.078 is fairly mustard or golden yellow, while Model Air Medium Yellow 71.002 is a fairly bright yellow. The first seems like a traditional reefer color and a combination might be better for FGEX. I purchased these from Amazon, I use Amazon Prime for its free shipping, TV, and Music applications, so its a bargain for me.  

I would love to hear Bill Welch’s take on the two colors. 

I added a photo photo of the two colors next to a Stanley tape measure with a yellow for a reference. 

Beat Regards,
Bruce Griffin
Ashland, MD
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Re: Tank car identity...

Steve and Barb Hile
 

And, from the 1952 roster in the groups file section, 63055 had Type C heater coils to warm the oil for unloading.  The car was built, originally in 1916 or 17 with the heater coils and insulated jacket added in the 1920's.

Steve Hile

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Thompson
Sent: Jan 26, 2019 8:56 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tank car identity...

Jack Burgess wrote:

As a side note, I am sure that the tank car in the B/W photo is a loaded tank car but YV rules mentioned that tank cars had to be at least one car from the locomotive or one car from the caboose. Maybe they didn’t think of Bunker C as being that flammable…

     You can safely extinguish a cigarette in Bunker C. The tank car, UTLX 63055, was a 6373-gallon tank. Just check the tariff!

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Tank car identity...

Tony Thompson
 

Jack Burgess wrote:

As a side note, I am sure that the tank car in the B/W photo is a loaded tank car but YV rules mentioned that tank cars had to be at least one car from the locomotive or one car from the caboose. Maybe they didn’t think of Bunker C as being that flammable…

     You can safely extinguish a cigarette in Bunker C. The tank car, UTLX 63055, was a 6373-gallon tank. Just check the tariff!

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Tank car identity...

Jack Burgess
 

Attached is a portion of the photo that Brian mentions which is in my book. The engine has picked this car up at the westbound facing point turnout into National Lead which is behind the train. It was carrying Bunker C for the boiler at the plant. The date on this color photo  is March 27, 1944. I had noticed that the tank car looked a bit “unusual” but didn’t think about it being insulated. Maybe insulated cars were used during the colder months since the Bunker C needed to be above around 90 degrees to flow.

 

There is no date on the B/W photo but since the car behind the tank car is a gondola car, we know that the photo had to be taken after January 1, 1944 since the first time that gondola cars were used on the YV is after a mine opened up which was shipping zinc concentrates in them.

 

As a side note, I am sure that the tank car in the B/W photo is a loaded tank car but YV rules mentioned that tank cars had to be at least one car from the locomotive or one car from the caboose. Maybe they didn’t think of Bunker C as being that flammable…

 

Jack Burgess