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USRA DS boxcar drawings

David
 

Unfortunately, those are the same preliminary drawings mentioned earlier. In this instance, we will have to find actual builder or railroad drawings.

David Thompson


turntable bridge shipped to the construction site by rail?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
From time to time the prototype railroads would have installed a new turntable at some location, possibly as part of the construction of a new roundhouse. I assume in such a case the turntable bridge would probably be shipped to the construction site by rail - would that be correct?
 
If so, were turntable bridges shipped to the site as a more or less complete assembly, to be lifted and dropped into place? Or were they shipped in pieces and then the final turntable bridge assembly was done at the construction site? Or something else? In drop-end gondolas with the ends extending out? On flat cars spanning two or more cars?
 
I ask because I've never seen a turntable bridge as a freight car load. I have a turntable bridge from a non-functional model turntable, and no real use for it. I am wondering if I could make it a steam era freight car load. Anyone have any pictures documenting this sort of thing?
 
Thanks in advance.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 


Re: USRA DS boxcar drawings

Eric Hansmann
 

Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 16 has plans for the USRA double-sheathed boxcars on pages 7 & 8. The volume contains about 50 pages of prototype information and and photos. I consider it as my go-to source to answer questions about the original USRA DS cars.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 3:22 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] USRA DS boxcar drawings

 

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 12:28 PM, Dave Parker wrote:

GA drawings for most of the USRA designs were published in Railway Mechanical Engineer in 1918 (vol 92).

Considering that those drawings show the car with a channel end sill, they appear to be the same early version that had been reproduced in the Car Builder's Cyc. for years.

The Mainline Modeler drawings likely used this as a starting point, with Hundman removing items, such as the end sills, that obviously never made it to the production cars. How much of his drawings are simply conjecture is anybody's guess; the door hardware is certainly just doodled in. For more information on the door hardware, look at the discussion we had on Union Metal Products / Railway Metal Products / National Car Door Co. roller guides a couple months ago.

Unfortunately, neither Pullman nor Haskell & Barker built any of the double sheathed cars, so the Pullman Library at IRM is not likely to have drawings. Standard Steel Car Co. built one little lot, and IRM does have some SSCCo. drawings, so it is possible, but I've never looked. The State Historical Society of Pennsylvania also has some SSCCo. drawings, I believe.

The only other alternative is drawings from railroad files, as Al Westerfield just suggested.

Dennis Storzek


Re: USRA DS boxcar drawings

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 12:28 PM, Dave Parker wrote:
GA drawings for most of the USRA designs were published in Railway Mechanical Engineer in 1918 (vol 92).
Considering that those drawings show the car with a channel end sill, they appear to be the same early version that had been reproduced in the Car Builder's Cyc. for years.

The Mainline Modeler drawings likely used this as a starting point, with Hundman removing items, such as the end sills, that obviously never made it to the production cars. How much of his drawings are simply conjecture is anybody's guess; the door hardware is certainly just doodled in. For more information on the door hardware, look at the discussion we had on Union Metal Products / Railway Metal Products / National Car Door Co. roller guides a couple months ago.

Unfortunately, neither Pullman nor Haskell & Barker built any of the double sheathed cars, so the Pullman Library at IRM is not likely to have drawings. Standard Steel Car Co. built one little lot, and IRM does have some SSCCo. drawings, so it is possible, but I've never looked. The State Historical Society of Pennsylvania also has some SSCCo. drawings, I believe.

The only other alternative is drawings from railroad files, as Al Westerfield just suggested.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Ertl Boxcar

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Ben,

Thanks for the link to the N&W FE. Seems to fit the type nicely--12 stake pockets, nominal 40' deck. I wonder how Richard missed it? There were still about 200 of these in revenue service circa 1958. Maybe I should have one on my Virginia Midland, even though we only interchange with the Southern.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 1/28/19 1:48 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
Garth Groff wrote:
"The flat cars are also excellent, essentially being a knock-off of the Tichy model. In a June 1993 RMJ article Richard Hendrickson said  the flat was good for several roads pretty much as-is (T&P, SP&S, NC&STL, CN and CP and some Lackawanna home-builts). He threw in SSW, but they were a bit longer. In correspondence on the old group I have on file Ben Hom suggested N&W."

N&W Class FE:


"I don't know about the Ertl cars' availability. The last time I saw some of the boxcars at a train show, there were a half-dozen used pieces (pretty banged up, and a couple missing roofs), and with a very high price. Since I can't justify any more of them in my collection, I passed. I would have grabbed the flats or gons."

A quick way to gauge the marketplace for a given model is to do a completed item search on eBay.  Click on the "Advanced" link next to the search bar at the top of the page and check on the "Completed listings" box on the next page.  This will filter results and show both sold and unsold completed listings.

Spoiler alert: They're not as common as Athearn boxcars, but they're not exactly rare either.


Ben Hom







Re: USRA DS boxcar drawings

 

Ken – The MM drawings are based on the proposed plans as published in Railway Age.  These differ in many small ways from what was actually built.  When I did my kit I used railroad blueprints (MP, as I recall).  The plans went to Andrew Dahm when he bought the business.  Perhaps he can be persuaded to digitize them. – Al Westerfield

 

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From: Ken O'Brien
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 12:48 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] USRA DS boxcar drawings

 

Could some one point me to accurate drawings of USRA DS boxcars. I have a few kits to do and the only drawings I have are from Mainline Modeler.

Ken O'Brien

 


Re: RMC

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

Before this gets out of hand, could we stop this thread. Private opinions about people are supposed to be off-limits.

Thank you.


Garth Groff

On 1/28/19 2:46 PM, Gary Roe wrote:
Thomas,

You are entitled to your own opinion; but I beg to differ.

gary roe
quincy, illinois





On ‎Monday‎, ‎January‎ ‎28‎, ‎2019‎ ‎01‎:‎38‎:‎27‎ ‎PM‎ ‎CST, tjcataldo <cataldotj@...> wrote:


Steven Priest no big lost

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 6:56 AM al_westerfield <westerfieldalfred@...> wrote:

To all - Had dinner with Wayne Wesolowski  yesterday.  He says Steven Priest is out as editor of RMC.  Has anyone heard anything? – Al W.

 



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Thomas  j Cataldo


Re: USRA DS boxcar drawings

Dave Parker
 

Ken:

GA drawings for most of the USRA designs were published in Railway Mechanical Engineer in 1918 (vol 92).

I have attached a PDF of the relevant pages.  The quality of the reproduction is decent; i.e., most of the dimensions are legible.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: new run BLI 6K tanks

Ian Cranstone
 

As Steve Hile has already noted, these were former Canadian Industries Limited cars (reporting mark CILX), which were absorbed into the fleet of UTLX's Canadian subsidiary Products Tank Line of Canada in 1957. In 1962, the company was renamed Procor Limited. In the 1955 tariff, you'll find these cars listed as CILX 130 series cars in the Canadian section.

Following transfer to the Products Tank Line of Canada in 1957, they were given UTLX reporting marks, paint schemes and numbers – and were essentially indistinguishable from other UTLX cars, except for the capacity being stencilled on the end of the car in Imperial, rather than U.S., gallons (the ratio is almost exactly 5 Imperial gallons to 6 U.S. gallons). Any cars repainted after the summer of 1962 would have had their corporate name stencilling ("UNION TANK CAR CO." changed to "PROCOR LIMITED", and later simply to "PROCOR", although the use of UTLX reporting marks continued until 1981, when Procor adopted PROX reporting marks (although these cars would have been long gone by then).

Given that the prototypes were built in Canada by Canadian Car & Foundry – with the actual tank subcontracted to the C.B. Co., as CC&F apparently did not have the ability to build welded pressure tanks at that time – they are probably not quite 100% accurate, although it would appear that CC&F was licence-building ACF frames for many years.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...

 


On 2019-01-28 14:38, Dave Parker via Groups.Io wrote:

The 8113x numbers do not appear in the UTLX listings in either the 1936 or 1955 tariff books.  Steve Hile would know better but, based on his book, I am skeptical that UTLX ran this design (in a 6000-gal size) during our period.  Seems like a likely foobie.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: new run BLI 6K tanks

Tony Thompson
 

      I suppose that once again we will be corresponding on-list to divide up these four-packs. I understand why BLI does it but it must have some impact on sales, too.

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USRA DS boxcar drawings

Ken O'Brien
 

Could some one point me to accurate drawings of USRA DS boxcars. I have a few kits to do and the only drawings I have are from Mainline Modeler.

Ken O'Brien


Re: new run BLI 6K tanks

Brian Carlson
 

I was/am excited about the basic black but the CCC&F data on the frames. Did these run in the US?

The Semet Solvay cars really interest me too.  Can anyone comment on the accuracy of that car and scheme in 1957?

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jan 28, 2019, at 2:41 PM, Dave Parker via Groups.Io <spottab@...> wrote:

I stand corrected.  Should have just waited and let Steve chime in.  But it looks like their utility is limited to maybe 1956+?  The 1955 tariff book is dated September 15, and there is no trace.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: RMC

Gary Roe
 

Thomas,

You are entitled to your own opinion; but I beg to differ.

gary roe
quincy, illinois





On ‎Monday‎, ‎January‎ ‎28‎, ‎2019‎ ‎01‎:‎38‎:‎27‎ ‎PM‎ ‎CST, tjcataldo <cataldotj@...> wrote:


Steven Priest no big lost

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 6:56 AM al_westerfield <westerfieldalfred@...> wrote:

To all - Had dinner with Wayne Wesolowski  yesterday.  He says Steven Priest is out as editor of RMC.  Has anyone heard anything? – Al W.

 



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Thomas  j Cataldo


Re: new run BLI 6K tanks

Dave Parker
 

I stand corrected.  Should have just waited and let Steve chime in.  But it looks like their utility is limited to maybe 1956+?  The 1955 tariff book is dated September 15, and there is no trace.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: RMC

tjcataldo
 

Steven Priest no big lost

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 6:56 AM al_westerfield <westerfieldalfred@...> wrote:

To all - Had dinner with Wayne Wesolowski  yesterday.  He says Steven Priest is out as editor of RMC.  Has anyone heard anything? – Al W.

 



--
Thomas  j Cataldo


Re: new run BLI 6K tanks

Dave Parker
 

The 8113x numbers do not appear in the UTLX listings in either the 1936 or 1955 tariff books.  Steve Hile would know better but, based on his book, I am skeptical that UTLX ran this design (in a 6000-gal size) during our period.  Seems like a likely foobie.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: new run BLI 6K tanks

Steve and Barb Hile
 

The UTLX cars are good for the mid 50's and on.  They were earlier Canadian cars that were eventually absorbed into the UTLX fleet when they absorbed the Canadian subsidiaries.  See Ian Cranstone's outstanding website for more details

http://www.nakina.net/pages/cilx/cilx000101.html

Steve Hile

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Miller
Sent: Jan 28, 2019 1:15 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] new run BLI 6K tanks

    Tried to read the build date on the UTLX but to blurry.  So what's the thoughts on this latest run.  They are black which I think is good.

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Re: Alexander scale models

Rick Jesionowski
 

We are still using them in the 1990’s to move gravel on the North Slope. We also rebuilt them in the mid 1980’s to a like new condition. We called them B70’s.

Rick Jesionowski


Re: Alexander scale models

Eric Bergh
 

The article in question was in the May 1955 Model Railroader, by L. M. Opie.
Hope this helps,
-Eric


Re: RMC

William Hirt
 

Stephen announced to those of us in Kansas City area last month he taken the position at ScaleTrains. There were a number of factors in his decision (some of which Joe Fugate highlighted in the discussion on the Model Railroad Hobbyist thread someone else posted). Stephen is excited for the opportunity and hopes to do some great things at ScaleTrains. He has done research and design work for most of the major manufacturers in the hobby, so he has a good solid background for his new position at ScaleTrains.

He originally was supposed to start in May, but over the last week I have heard that ScaleTrains has asked him to start in March. So how that affects RMC, I do not know. His layout is still up and is hosting an out of town operating group this coming weekend.

As to who will be taking over as the new editor of RMC, if anyone knows, it has been kept pretty quiet. I've heard some rumors, but nothing concrete. Stephen has built a substantial back log of articles for RMC, so the next editor will have enough material available to keep the magazine running as it currently is while they get their feet on the ground.

Bill Hirt

On 1/28/2019 8:56 AM, al_westerfield wrote:

To all - Had dinner with Wayne Wesolowski  yesterday.  He says Steven Priest is out as editor of RMC.  Has anyone heard anything? – Al W.

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