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Re: GM&O 4670

Bill Welch
 

Indeed it is one of those 1932 equivalents. Good catch Ben, they were camera shy.

Bill Welch


GM&O 4670

Benjamin Scanlon
 

I seem to recall (vaguely) the GM&O had an 'equivalent' of the 1932 AAR box, but composite sided. Wondering if this car would be one ? 

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-r3CZRHM/A
--
Ben Scanlon
Tottenham, England


Re: turntable bridge shipped to the construction site by rail?

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 04:48 PM, np328 wrote:
   For my researched railroad, they bought turntables from companies like American Bridge, though there were several companies in the age of steam that offered these. The railroad site got them via rail shipment, then set them into place and finished the installation with company forces overseen by a company rep.  So yes, this could be a multiple flatcar load.
Back in the day, outside of the big industrial centers, the railroads tended to have bigger equipment than anyone else, so it made sense for them to do their own installation work, using the wrecking cranes they already owned.

Such is not the case today. When IRM acquired the table from the UP (ex D&RGW) Burnham shops in Denver, it was lifted out of the pit with two large modern mobile cranes. However, at the museum end of the move, the museum has in its collection an operational C&NW 250 ton wrecker, so that handled one end of the lift, saving half of the crane hire costs. If the museum would have had a second wrecker, they would have done the whole job with their own equipment.

Such was the case with the railroads years ago, they would typically use he local wrecker, and move one in from another division for that portion of the project. Little roads that had only one wrecker would hire the other from a connecting line.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Ertl Boxcar and Flatcar

Dennis Storzek
 

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 06:15 PM, al_westerfield wrote:
They actually had the gall to pass off a Storzek 1916 NYC DS box car as their USRA DS production sample!
Close enough ;-)

Dennis Storzek


Re: turntable bridge shipped to the construction site by rail?

trackinspector718
 

In 1922 Southern Pacific replaced a 70' turntable in Ashland, Oregon with a 100' Pony Truss turntable built by the American Bridge Company. It was shipped to Ashland in 3 cars, MP 59472, IC 124386 and IC 128202. Checking my 1926 equipment register shows that the MP car was a 40' gondola, IC 124386 was a 40' drop bottom gon and 128202 was a 40' composite gon. Being a truss turntable likely allows shipping in cars other than flats. It was assembled on site and bolted over 6 days, riveting started on March 1 and was finished by the 13th. SP had at least two other similar tables, one at Roseburg, OR and Siskiyou, OR.
Mike Yoakum
Salem, OR 


Re: Alexander scale models

Schuyler Larrabee
 

So, Bruce, you’ll have one of these done and on a PRR flat for Cocoa Beach next January?   8:^)

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Bergh
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 2:28 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Alexander scale models

 

The article in question was in the May 1955 Model Railroader, by L. M. Opie
Hope this helps,
-Eric


Re: Ertl Boxcar and Flatcar

 

I saw Ertl’s samples at the hobby manufacturers’ show in Roaemont.  They actually had the gall to pass off a Storzek 1916 NYC DS box car as their USRA DS production sample! – Al Westerfield

 

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From: radiodial868
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 6:30 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Ertl Boxcar and Flatcar

 

Here's the Tichy next to an Ertl.  Which one is which? :>)
I used Richard Hendrickson's June 1993 Railmodel Journal article and other bits of info pieced together.  For my era (1939) the Lackawanna is correct as were gone after the war. 
What I find puzzling about the SSW is that Richard said it was "41' 11" over the end sills", and that the NCStl and SP&S and Tichy car is "42' over the deck".  How discernible would that be?
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA

 


Re: Ertl Boxcar and Flatcar

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Nice comparison and great modeling.

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: radiodial868 <radiodial@...>
Date: 1/28/19 3:30 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Ertl Boxcar and Flatcar

Here's the Tichy next to an Ertl.  Which one is which? :>)
I used Richard Hendrickson's June 1993 Railmodel Journal article and other bits of info pieced together.  For my era (1939) the Lackawanna is correct as were gone after the war. 
What I find puzzling about the SSW is that Richard said it was "41' 11" over the end sills", and that the NCStl and SP&S and Tichy car is "42' over the deck".  How discernible would that be?
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA


Re: turntable bridge shipped to the construction site by rail?

Charles Peck
 

We might also keep in mind that shipping in sub-assemblies was also quite feasible.
Most places where a turntable was required would have a boilermaker or several who could
set hot rivets for final assembly.  A skilled trade but not a rare trade in the steam era.
Chuck Peck 
Proud to have bucked rivets for his grandfather

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 7:39 PM Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:
Hi Dennis,
 
Very cool to see. There does not appear to be anything in the delivery methodology that would not have been available 100 years ago - other than the modern flat car that is. But heavy-duty flat cars did exist back in that time frame as well.
 
Thanks
 
Claus Schlund
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] turntable bridge shipped to the construction site by rail?

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 01:29 PM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:
If so, were turntable bridges shipped to the site as a more or less complete assembly, to be lifted and dropped into place? Or were they shipped in pieces and then the final turntable bridge assembly was done at the construction site? Or something else? In drop-end gondolas with the ends extending out? On flat cars spanning two or more cars?
Well, this is waaaay in the future, but interesting nevertheless, this is the way it's done in 2018:

http://www2.irm.org/blogs/archives/2016/05.html

The bridge itself is narrow enough to ship complete, but the deck and walkways need to be added on site. Since this 130' bridge was able to ship on a 100 ton car, I would assume a 70' or 80' bridge would be OK on a 70 ton car.

Dennis Storzek


Re: RMC

 

If you study each issue, the number of articles is small, with lots of large photos to pad it out to 100 pages.  I don’t know Mr. Priest, but Bill Schaumburg, and Tony Koester before him, were very active in conventions and meets, searching out layouts and articles.  I lived nearby, and several times a year I’d visit the RMC office to push articles.  That all stopped when I went into the kit business. – Al Westerfield

 

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From: Dave Lawler
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 6:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] RMC

 

If someone takes over I hope they’ll make it more like the old (Carstens) RMC with more historical articles, scale drawings

and remember that there were railroads East of the Mississippi and also Canada. I just renewed for 2 more years. I hope that’s not lost.

 

Dave Lawler

Avon Lake, Ohio

 


Re: RMC

Dave Lawler
 

If someone takes over I hope they’ll make it more like the old (Carstens) RMC with more historical articles, scale drawings
and remember that there were railroads East of the Mississippi and also Canada. I just renewed for 2 more years. I hope that’s not lost.
 
Dave Lawler
Avon Lake, Ohio


Re: Ertl Boxcar and Flatcar

radiodial868
 

Here's the Tichy next to an Ertl.  Which one is which? :>)
I used Richard Hendrickson's June 1993 Railmodel Journal article and other bits of info pieced together.  For my era (1939) the Lackawanna is correct as were gone after the war. 
What I find puzzling about the SSW is that Richard said it was "41' 11" over the end sills", and that the NCStl and SP&S and Tichy car is "42' over the deck".  How discernible would that be?
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA


Re: turntable bridge shipped to the construction site by rail?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Jim and Dennis,
 
Jim wrote: "Dennis is right, they did come minus the deck and walkways"
 
I could see why one would want to ship these without the deck and walkways - the walkway would have made for a load that has excess width, the deck only adds weight to an item that is already too heavy as it is.
 
Thanks
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: np328
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] turntable bridge shipped to the construction site by rail?

   For my researched railroad, they bought turntables from companies like American Bridge, though there were several companies in the age of steam that offered these. The railroad site got them via rail shipment, then set them into place and finished the installation with company forces overseen by a company rep.  So yes, this could be a multiple flatcar load.
         Dennis is right, they did come minus the deck and walkways. In these photos which are cropped from larger photos, the first "New turntable" image shows the new one being installed in the pit and the older one on flatcars going to either the storage yard or it's new home. (Yes I have seen several letters of an official asking the storekeeper, What do you have in storage by the way of turntables? when a revision of engines was about to be done and a pit needed to be enlarged.)   Second photo is of a turntable stretcher on the left, (my term) so that while a larger pit was being dug, the older turntable could still be used after the walls of the older pit were removed. All the timber in this second photo, looks new, not even creosoted.  
Yes both these photos are heavily cropped and in many ways, poor. They still do help tell a story.  

All of this being done for the locomotives that haul the Steam powered Freight Cars we study and model on this site.              Jim Dick - Roseville, MN 


Re: turntable bridge shipped to the construction site by rail?

np328
 

   Date of photos here Claus, about one hundred years give or take a decade as these are photos of two different sites.  
Got to give it to those guys, did it all with slide rules, paper and pencils.                 Jim  


Re: Modeling a Lever Hand Brake

Gene Green <genegreen1942@...>
 

Thank you, Dave.  New and useful information which will be added to my database.  Always happy to get additional information.  Now I must look at the USRA hopper photos more critically.
Gene Green


Re: turntable bridge shipped to the construction site by rail?

np328
 

   For my researched railroad, they bought turntables from companies like American Bridge, though there were several companies in the age of steam that offered these. The railroad site got them via rail shipment, then set them into place and finished the installation with company forces overseen by a company rep.  So yes, this could be a multiple flatcar load.
         Dennis is right, they did come minus the deck and walkways. In these photos which are cropped from larger photos, the first "New turntable" image shows the new one being installed in the pit and the older one on flatcars going to either the storage yard or it's new home. (Yes I have seen several letters of an official asking the storekeeper, What do you have in storage by the way of turntables? when a revision of engines was about to be done and a pit needed to be enlarged.)   Second photo is of a turntable stretcher on the left, (my term) so that while a larger pit was being dug, the older turntable could still be used after the walls of the older pit were removed. All the timber in this second photo, looks new, not even creosoted.  
Yes both these photos are heavily cropped and in many ways, poor. They still do help tell a story.  

All of this being done for the locomotives that haul the Steam powered Freight Cars we study and model on this site.              Jim Dick - Roseville, MN 


Re: turntable bridge shipped to the construction site by rail?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Dennis,
 
Very cool to see. There does not appear to be anything in the delivery methodology that would not have been available 100 years ago - other than the modern flat car that is. But heavy-duty flat cars did exist back in that time frame as well.
 
Thanks
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] turntable bridge shipped to the construction site by rail?

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 01:29 PM, Claus Schlund \(HGM\) wrote:
If so, were turntable bridges shipped to the site as a more or less complete assembly, to be lifted and dropped into place? Or were they shipped in pieces and then the final turntable bridge assembly was done at the construction site? Or something else? In drop-end gondolas with the ends extending out? On flat cars spanning two or more cars?
Well, this is waaaay in the future, but interesting nevertheless, this is the way it's done in 2018:

http://www2.irm.org/blogs/archives/2016/05.html

The bridge itself is narrow enough to ship complete, but the deck and walkways need to be added on site. Since this 130' bridge was able to ship on a 100 ton car, I would assume a 70' or 80' bridge would be OK on a 70 ton car.

Dennis Storzek


Re: 10'-0" Superior 5 panel door

mopacfirst
 

Dave:  Are those the ones marked 2E on the back?  Yes, I have some.  I also have some similar dart-nought ends, same pressing except no small darts.

Ron Merrick

off-list at mopacfirst@....


Re: 10'-0" Superior 5 panel door

Dave Bayless
 

Question for the Expert Kitbashers  out there,

Is there a current source of the Branchline Models boxcar ends of R+3/4 Early Style Dreadnaught Ends #BR100002? I have tried Atlas and the Branchline website, Cannon and Company and general Google searches plus Ebay without success. I am doing  some kitbashing of older freight cars and need about 3 sets of these ends. After these kitbashes, I can just search for some Branchline boxcars with these ends already part of the kits.

Thanks, Dave Bayless


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Re: Alexander scale models

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Yes, Thanks, that’s it for sure. And, does it not make a great flatcar load?

Dan Mitchell
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On Jan 28, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Eric Bergh <ericbergh2@...> wrote:

The article in question was in the May 1955 Model Railroader, by L. M. Opie.
Hope this helps,
-Eric
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