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Re: Gondola Load
Scott H. Haycock
Bruce, My guess would be large scale industrial plumbing, or possibly waste treatment, or a dam. The large crates probably contain parts needed to fit the conduits's into their final location. The conduit seems to be at least 6 feet in diameter. Scott Haycock
On January 30, 2019 at 1:32 AM Bruce Griffin <bdg1210@...> wrote:
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Gondola Load
Bruce Griffin
Friends,
Attached is a photo of a freight car load on a B&O train I model. It is on a local between Baltimore and western Maryland around 1950. Anyone have an idea what this could be? It for sure looks to be an interesting load for a pair of gons. Any insights appreciated. i will try to post a higher resolution scan tomorrow. Thank you for your input. Best Regards, Bruce Griffin Ashland, MD https://bomodeling.com/blog/
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Modeling a Lever Hand Brake
Richard Bale <Rhbale@...>
Gene…
I misidentified the lever action hand brakes in Bruce Griffin’s original inquiry posted 1/20/19.
On closer examination they are clearly not Universal Type 5790-A devices as I suggested. They share a stirrup handle but beyond that the action is entirely different.
Thanks for correcting me.
Bye the way, I posted my response on 1/21 and it did not show up until 1/29. Not very timely.
Richard Bale Oceanside CA
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Re: Linkage repair on a brass locomotive
Rivets are available from: https://knupfer.info/shop/index.php/deutsch/nieten-nietenschrauben.html https://www.fohrmann.com/de/niete-aus-kupfer-mit-halbrundkopf-din-660-fuer-modellbau.html
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 9:08 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Linkage repair on a brass locomotive
Doug,
No, just the rivet broke. The lip on the pop rivet wore out. It probably wasn't maintenance properly and wore down. The linkage is fine.
Regards,
Bryian Sones Union Pacific Prototype Modeler Murrieta, CA
On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 6:55 PM, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:
Bryian did the rivet break? Or did the linkage itself break? If it is the rivet, Kemtron, among others, at one time sold HO rivets for attaching linkages together. If the linkage rod broke, you may have to trace the broken part on a piece of brass and file out a new one.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io
Hi Tony,
Sorry unable to post a pic at the moment but possibly later. The side rod linkage that is broken attaches to the Eccentric; The locomotive is a Ho scale, Key Imports early Challenger If that helps any? I'll try and post a pick later.
Thanks,
Bryian Sones Union Pacific Prototype Modeler Murrieta, CA
On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:36 PM, Todd Horton via Groups.Io <toddchorton@...> wrote:
Brian, Can you post a picture of what broke?
Todd Horton
From: Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...>
Hi All,
I had the linkage break on one of my brass locomotives. It appears to have been held together by a tiny brass pop rivet. Does anyone have a suggestion on the best way to replace it and reconnect the linkage?
Thanks,
Bryian Sones Union Pacific Prototype Modeler Murrieta, CA
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Re: brass groups on Facebook
Bryian Sones
Very helpful, Thanks Hugh! Bryian Sones Union Pacific Prototype Modeler Murrieta, CA
On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 7:52 PM, Hugh Guillaume via Groups.Io <mguill1224@...> wrote: The Brass Collectors And Operators The Brass Backshop The Brass Depot Brass Locomotive Collectors Brass Model Train Buy Swap And Sell Check these out for help with brass models.
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brass groups on Facebook
The Brass Collectors And Operators
The Brass Backshop The Brass Depot Brass Locomotive Collectors Brass Model Train Buy Swap And Sell Check these out for help with brass models.
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Re: Linkage repair on a brass locomotive
Bryian Sones
Thanks Ralph, I'll give Bowser a call in the morning. I appreciate everyone's help. Thank you! Bryian Sones Union Pacific Prototype Modeler Murrieta, CA
On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 7:41 PM, Ralph W. Brown <rbrown51@...> wrote: Hi Brian,
The Bowser website (www.bowser-trains.com) pages for their
now discontinued steam locomotive kits indicates that “Most
repair parts are available,” so they may well have the valve gear rivets, which
are tiny little things, and the riveting tool, if you need
one.
Good luck finding what you need.
Pax,
Ralph
Brown
Portland, Maine PRRT&HS No. 3966 NMRA No. L2532 rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Linkage repair on a brass
locomotive Doug,
No, just the rivet broke. The lip
on the pop rivet wore out. It probably wasn't maintenance properly and wore
down. The linkage is fine.
Regards,
Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype
Modeler
Murrieta, CA On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 6:55 PM,
Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...>
wrote: Bryian did the rivet break? Or did the linkage itself
break? If it is the rivet, Kemtron, among others, at one time sold HO rivets for
attaching linkages together. If the linkage rod broke, you may have to trace the
broken part on a piece of brass and file out a new one.
Doug
Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org From:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bryian Sones via Groups.Io Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 8:02 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Linkage repair on a brass locomotive Hi Tony, Sorry unable to post a pic at the moment but possibly
later. The side rod linkage that is broken attaches to the Eccentric; The
locomotive is a Ho scale, Key Imports early Challenger If that helps any? I'll try and post a pick
later. Thanks, Bryian Sones Union Pacific Prototype Modeler Murrieta, CA On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:36 PM, Todd Horton via
Groups.Io <toddchorton@...>
wrote: Brian, Can you post a picture of what broke?
Todd Horton From: Bryian Sones via
Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...> To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 8:04 PM Subject: [RealSTMFC] Linkage repair on a brass locomotive Hi All, I had the linkage break on one of my brass locomotives.
It appears to have been held together by a tiny brass pop rivet. Does anyone
have a suggestion on the best way to replace it and reconnect the
linkage? Thanks, Bryian Sones Union Pacific Prototype Modeler Murrieta, CA
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Re: Linkage repair on a brass locomotive
Ralph W. Brown
Hi Brian,
The Bowser website (www.bowser-trains.com) pages for their
now discontinued steam locomotive kits indicates that “Most
repair parts are available,” so they may well have the valve gear rivets, which
are tiny little things, and the riveting tool, if you need
one.
Good luck finding what you need.
Pax,
Ralph
Brown
Portland, Maine PRRT&HS No. 3966 NMRA No. L2532 rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
From: Bryian Sones via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 10:07 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Linkage repair on a brass
locomotive Doug,
No, just the rivet broke. The lip
on the pop rivet wore out. It probably wasn't maintenance properly and wore
down. The linkage is fine.
Regards,
Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype
Modeler
Murrieta, CA On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 6:55 PM,
Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...>
wrote: Bryian did the rivet break? Or did the linkage itself
break? If it is the rivet, Kemtron, among others, at one time sold HO rivets for
attaching linkages together. If the linkage rod broke, you may have to trace the
broken part on a piece of brass and file out a new one.
Doug
Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org From:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bryian Sones via Groups.Io Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 8:02 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Linkage repair on a brass locomotive Hi Tony, Sorry unable to post a pic at the moment but possibly
later. The side rod linkage that is broken attaches to the Eccentric; The
locomotive is a Ho scale, Key Imports early Challenger If that helps any? I'll try and post a pick
later. Thanks, Bryian Sones Union Pacific Prototype Modeler Murrieta, CA On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:36 PM, Todd Horton via
Groups.Io <toddchorton@...>
wrote: Brian, Can you post a picture of what broke?
Todd Horton From: Bryian Sones via
Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...> To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 8:04 PM Subject: [RealSTMFC] Linkage repair on a brass locomotive Hi All, I had the linkage break on one of my brass locomotives.
It appears to have been held together by a tiny brass pop rivet. Does anyone
have a suggestion on the best way to replace it and reconnect the
linkage? Thanks, Bryian Sones Union Pacific Prototype Modeler Murrieta, CA
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Re: Linkage repair on a brass locomotive
Bryian Sones
Thanks Bruce, I'm familiar with rivet tools. I've used them in other application in the automotive field. I used to build show cars for the CES and the SEMA show when I was younger. I wasn't sure if there was a hand tool available to replace rivets that small or if it was stamped during production and the end user was left with fabricating some sort of replacement if it wore out. I'll see if Bowser still sells the tool. Is there anyone else that might sell the rivet tool? Thanks, Bryian Sones Union Pacific Prototype Modeler Murrieta, CA
On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 7:07 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote: Brian,
There are a number of suppliers of rivets of that size and having a rivet tool is very useful. Micro rivets are usually hollow tubular stock. The rivet will come with one side formed. I insert the rivet, put the formed side on a hard surface and then gently
peen the unformed side. The tool I use is about 1/8 diameter stock with a concave end that helps in peening over the rivet end. Mine came from Bowser.
Regards
Bruce
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 8:46 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Linkage repair on a brass locomotive Bruce,
No, I have never had to replace a rivet linkage before. However I have Quartered Repaired and painted also added fixture details and sound decoders to many brass locomotives. I have even painted brass professionally
so I'm not afraid to tackle the task. I'm just not aware of the process to produce a replacement rivet. I could easily fabricate a replacement from brass stock as a stand in but I'm not sure if that is how it is done or is there a rivet tool?
Kind regards,
Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA
On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 6:24 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
I would suggest a tiny brass pop rivet ;) I realize that you may never have riveted valve gear and it isn't as simple as using a screw, but any owner of steam models should have this skill in their quiver.
Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 7:04 PM To: STMFC Subject: [RealSTMFC] Linkage repair on a brass locomotive Hi All,
I had the linkage break on one of my brass locomotives. It appears to have been held together by a tiny brass pop rivet. Does anyone have a suggestion on the best way to replace it and reconnect
the linkage?
Thanks,
Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA
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Re: Linkage repair on a brass locomotive
Bryian Sones
Doug, No, just the rivet broke. The lip on the pop rivet wore out. It probably wasn't maintenance properly and wore down. The linkage is fine. Regards, Bryian Sones Union Pacific Prototype Modeler Murrieta, CA
On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 6:55 PM, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote: Bryian did the rivet break? Or did the linkage itself break? If it is the rivet, Kemtron, among others, at one time sold HO rivets for attaching linkages together. If the linkage rod broke, you may have to trace the broken part on a piece of brass and file out a new one. Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 8:02 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Linkage repair on a brass locomotive Hi Tony, Sorry unable to post a pic at the moment but possibly later. The side rod linkage that is broken attaches to the Eccentric; The locomotive is a Ho scale, Key Imports early Challenger If that helps any? I'll try and post a pick later. Thanks, Bryian Sones Union Pacific Prototype Modeler Murrieta, CA On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:36 PM, Todd Horton via Groups.Io <toddchorton@...> wrote: Brian, Can you post a picture of what broke? Todd Horton From: Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...> To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 8:04 PM Subject: [RealSTMFC] Linkage repair on a brass locomotive Hi All, I had the linkage break on one of my brass locomotives. It appears to have been held together by a tiny brass pop rivet. Does anyone have a suggestion on the best way to replace it and reconnect the linkage? Thanks, Bryian Sones Union Pacific Prototype Modeler Murrieta, CA
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Re: Linkage repair on a brass locomotive
Brian,
There are a number of suppliers of rivets of that size and having a rivet tool is very useful. Micro rivets are usually hollow tubular stock. The rivet will come with one side formed. I insert the rivet, put the formed side on a hard surface and then gently
peen the unformed side. The tool I use is about 1/8 diameter stock with a concave end that helps in peening over the rivet end. Mine came from Bowser.
Regards Bruce
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 8:46 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Linkage repair on a brass locomotive Bruce,
No, I have never had to replace a rivet linkage before. However I have Quartered Repaired and painted also added fixture details and sound decoders to many brass locomotives. I have even painted brass professionally
so I'm not afraid to tackle the task. I'm just not aware of the process to produce a replacement rivet. I could easily fabricate a replacement from brass stock as a stand in but I'm not sure if that is how it is done or is there a rivet tool?
Kind regards,
Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA
On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 6:24 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
I would suggest a tiny brass pop rivet ;) I realize that you may never have riveted valve gear and it isn't as simple as using a screw, but any owner of steam models should have this skill in their quiver.
Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 7:04 PM To: STMFC Subject: [RealSTMFC] Linkage repair on a brass locomotive Hi All,
I had the linkage break on one of my brass locomotives. It appears to have been held together by a tiny brass pop rivet. Does anyone have a suggestion on the best way to replace it and reconnect
the linkage?
Thanks,
Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA
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brass model repairs
There are some groups on Facebook where help with repairs can be found. Try these: Brass Collectors and Brass Backshop for starters. There are a couple more which I will look up and cite later but these two are excellent.
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Re: Linkage repair on a brass locomotive
Bryian did the rivet break? Or did the linkage itself break? If it is the rivet, Kemtron, among others, at one time sold HO rivets for attaching linkages together. If the linkage rod broke, you may have to trace the broken part on a piece of brass and file out a new one.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 8:02 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Linkage repair on a brass locomotive
Hi Tony,
Sorry unable to post a pic at the moment but possibly later. The side rod linkage that is broken attaches to the Eccentric; The locomotive is a Ho scale, Key Imports early Challenger If that helps any? I'll try and post a pick later.
Thanks,
Bryian Sones Union Pacific Prototype Modeler Murrieta, CA
On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:36 PM, Todd Horton via Groups.Io <toddchorton@...> wrote:
Brian, Can you post a picture of what broke?
Todd Horton
From: Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...>
Hi All,
I had the linkage break on one of my brass locomotives. It appears to have been held together by a tiny brass pop rivet. Does anyone have a suggestion on the best way to replace it and reconnect the linkage?
Thanks,
Bryian Sones Union Pacific Prototype Modeler Murrieta, CA
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Re: Linkage repair on a brass locomotive
Bryian Sones
Bruce, No, I have never had to replace a rivet linkage before. However I have Quartered Repaired and painted also added fixture details and sound decoders to many brass locomotives. I have even painted brass professionally so I'm not afraid to tackle the task. I'm just not aware of the process to produce a replacement rivet. I could easily fabricate a replacement from brass stock as a stand in but I'm not sure if that is how it is done or is there a rivet tool? Kind regards, Bryian Sones Union Pacific Prototype Modeler Murrieta, CA
On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 6:24 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote: I would suggest a tiny brass pop rivet ;) I realize that you may never have riveted valve gear and it isn't as simple as using a screw, but any owner of steam models should have this skill in their quiver.
Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 7:04 PM To: STMFC Subject: [RealSTMFC] Linkage repair on a brass locomotive Hi All,
I had the linkage break on one of my brass locomotives. It appears to have been held together by a tiny brass pop rivet. Does anyone have a suggestion on the best way to replace it and reconnect the linkage?
Thanks,
Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA
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Re: Linkage repair on a brass locomotive
I would suggest a tiny brass pop rivet ;) I realize that you may never have riveted valve gear and it isn't as simple as using a screw, but any owner of steam models should have this skill in their quiver.
Regards Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 7:04 PM To: STMFC Subject: [RealSTMFC] Linkage repair on a brass locomotive Hi All,
I had the linkage break on one of my brass locomotives. It appears to have been held together by a tiny brass pop rivet. Does anyone have a suggestion on the best way to replace it and reconnect the linkage?
Thanks,
Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA
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Re: Linkage repair on a brass locomotive
Bryian Sones
Sorry I meant that for Todd Horton not Tony. Kind Regards Bryian Sones Union Pacific Prototype Modeler Murrieta, CA
On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 6:01 PM, Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...> wrote: Hi Tony, Sorry unable to post a pic at the moment but possibly later. The side rod linkage that is broken attaches to the Eccentric; The locomotive is a Ho scale, Key Imports early Challenger If that helps any? I'll try and post a pick later. Thanks, Bryian Sones Union Pacific Prototype Modeler Murrieta, CA On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:36 PM, Todd Horton via Groups.Io <toddchorton@...> wrote: Brian, Can you post a picture of what broke? Todd Horton From: Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...> To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 8:04 PM Subject: [RealSTMFC] Linkage repair on a brass locomotive Hi All, I had the linkage break on one of my brass locomotives. It appears to have been held together by a tiny brass pop rivet. Does anyone have a suggestion on the best way to replace it and reconnect the linkage? Thanks, Bryian Sones Union Pacific Prototype Modeler Murrieta, CA
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Re: Linkage repair on a brass locomotive
Bryian Sones
Hi Tony, Sorry unable to post a pic at the moment but possibly later. The side rod linkage that is broken attaches to the Eccentric; The locomotive is a Ho scale, Key Imports early Challenger If that helps any? I'll try and post a pick later. Thanks, Bryian Sones Union Pacific Prototype Modeler Murrieta, CA
On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:36 PM, Todd Horton via Groups.Io <toddchorton@...> wrote: Brian, Can you post a picture of what broke? Todd Horton From: Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...> To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 8:04 PM Subject: [RealSTMFC] Linkage repair on a brass locomotive Hi All, I had the linkage break on one of my brass locomotives. It appears to have been held together by a tiny brass pop rivet. Does anyone have a suggestion on the best way to replace it and reconnect the linkage? Thanks, Bryian Sones Union Pacific Prototype Modeler Murrieta, CA
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Re: Linkage repair on a brass locomotive
Todd Horton
Brian, Can you post a picture of what broke? Todd Horton
From: Bryian Sones via Groups.Io <bryian.sones@...> To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 8:04 PM Subject: [RealSTMFC] Linkage repair on a brass locomotive Hi All, I had the linkage break on one of my brass locomotives. It appears to have been held together by a tiny brass pop rivet. Does anyone have a suggestion on the best way to replace it and reconnect the linkage? Thanks, Bryian Sones Union Pacific Prototype Modeler Murrieta, CA
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Linkage repair on a brass locomotive
Bryian Sones
Hi All, I had the linkage break on one of my brass locomotives. It appears to have been held together by a tiny brass pop rivet. Does anyone have a suggestion on the best way to replace it and reconnect the linkage? Thanks, Bryian Sones Union Pacific Prototype Modeler Murrieta, CA
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Re: GM&O 4670
Bill Welch
Sorry I do not understand your statement: "I should emphasize that many'most of these series are likely to have had any influence from ARA or ARR designs."
Bill Welch
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