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Re: Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Tim,

A more interesting statistic might be how many of Al's (and Martin's) kits were actually assembled, and how many still languish in various "unbuilt" piles. ;-)

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 1/31/19 9:54 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Al, did you ever tally the total production of kits you sold over the years?

Tim O'



On 1/31/2019 7:10 PM, al_westerfield wrote:

The first of 29 years of monthly ads.  Believe it or not, I still ran into people at train shows that had never heard of us. – Al Westerfield

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Benjamin Hom
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 3:00 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

 

Railroad Model Craftsman, October 1982 issue, ad for the first four offerings from Westerfield.

 

 

Ben Hom

 

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

Jerry Michels
 

Hmmm, I was certain I bought some of the original Westerfield kits before 1982.  My first kit was the UP 50' boxcar.  Jerry Michels

Re: Soo Line Wood Boxcars #100-444 / Accurail 7000 Series Kitbash #100-444

Dennis Storzek
 

Well, it's taken a couple days to find the article I knew was written on modeling these cars, and now the OP seems to have disappeared, but might as well get the info out there...

These are interesting cars, being rebuilt with wood sheathing so late, especially since the Soo Line had invested in quite a bit of modern shop equipment after WWII, and had essentially set up a carbuilding facility at the shop at North Fond du Lac, Wis. In 1948 they built a group of all weld GS gons that were written up in Railway Mechanical Engineer. In 1949 that started a program to build 40' boxcars to the 1948 AAR design. The carbodies were not welded, but the underframes were. That's why the wood cars are so odd. As I understand it, they got caught short when the Korean War started and couldn't source all the material they needed to keep the AAR boxcar program rolling, so they decided to use what they had on hand to keep the carbuilding program up and running. Later in 1951 they went back to building more AAR design steel cars.

Several years ago Accurail did a run of custom cars for the Soo Line Historical & Technical Society. These were understood by all parties involved to be "stand ins" as there is really no mass produced car any closer to the rather unique "sawtooth" cars that made up the bulk of the Soo Line boxcar fleet between the wars. However, the society's special projects manager, Ken Soroos, decided to modify one of the cars to more accurately model these 1950 rebuilds. The article was published in the Winter 2014 issue of The SOO, the society magazine. Back issues are available HERE
The article includes three prototype photos, all different than the one I posted a link to yesterday.

Briefly, Ken lowered the body by sawing off the entire top of the Accurail kit, substituted a diagonal panel roof, added a Kadee Apex running board and Detail Associates Equipco high power hand brake, and substituted straight sills for the fishbelly sills in the kit. The main lettering on the side of the car is printed in the correct relationship to the bottom of the body, and was able to be saved. I now wish we would have printed the end reporting marks lower on the body.

Anyway, the article is rather simplistic in deference to the general level of modeling skill in the society membership, but builds a solid model, and is certainly worth having for the photos and reproduced equipment diagram.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Decals for SFRD (Santa Fe) 50' reefers

Scott
 

What became of the Champ artwork?

Scott McDonald

Re: Decals for SFRD (Santa Fe) 50' reefers

john oseida
 

Thanks very much Tim, you just saved me quite a bit of effort attempting to construct such a  list.

IIRC Sunshine produced an SRFD 50' car that came with decals.  Anyone know what became of the artwork and if available perhaps it could be provided to another manufacturer to produce a new run.  

Regards,

John Oseida


On Thursday, January 31, 2019, 9:49:04 p.m. EST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


John

Here is what I have for CHAMP. The Champ sets were well researched and are very accurate.
I used the Grand Canyon lettering with 50 foot map for my Rr-42.

BRH-218  El Capitan   36" herald  40' str map
BRH-219  Scout   36" herald  40' str map
BRH-220  Super Chief  36" herald  50' str map
BRH-221  Chief    36" herald  50' str map
BRH-222  Grand Canyon 36" herald  40' str map
BRH-223  El Capitan   36" herald  S&T
BRH-224  Super Chief  36" herald  S&T
BRH-225  Chief    36" herald  S&T
BRH-226  Grand Canyon 36" herald  S&T
BRH-228  San Fr Chief 36" herald  S&T
BRH-229  Texas Chief  36" herald  S&T

HH-73    40' curved map
HH-74    40' straight map w/o Ship
HH-78    50' straight map w/o Ship





On 1/31/2019 3:14 PM, john oseida via Groups.Io wrote:
I'm looking for a source for decals for SFRD (Santa Fe) 50' ice reefers in HO scale.  More specifically classes RR-10/17/22/26/30/31/37/42 and ideally in the straight-line map scheme used from late 1940 through mid-1947.  There were some differences in the maps applied to 40' cars vs. 50' cars and I'm attempting to locate lettering specific to the 50' cars.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks and regards,

John Oseida
Oakville, ON



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Decals for SFRD (Santa Fe) 50' reefers

bill woelfel
 

The Ambroid kits were #  H8, All wood for an RR 10 and later.. Came w/decals  but i don't have them. I just remembered a friend has a old  kit I built in the mid-70's when I was a teenager. Called him and he will  bring it by to check out the decals.. U can find these on Feebay now & then.   Bill W  Homewood, Ill

Tank Cars: Capitol Refining Company

Bob Chaparro
 

Here is a link to a Library of Congress photo (circa 1916-17) showing several Capitol Refining Company tank cars at the company's plant just outside Washington, D,C.:

https://www.loc.gov/item/2016825993/

You can open this photo in a TIFF format to study the details.

The location of the plant roughly is the current location of the Pentagon.

The Capitol Refining Company was a subsidiary of the Jacob Dold Packing Company, whose main establishment was in Buffalo, N.Y.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

Tim O'Connor
 


Al, did you ever tally the total production of kits you sold over the years?

Tim O'



On 1/31/2019 7:10 PM, al_westerfield wrote:

The first of 29 years of monthly ads.  Believe it or not, I still ran into people at train shows that had never heard of us. – Al Westerfield

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Benjamin Hom
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 3:00 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

 

Railroad Model Craftsman, October 1982 issue, ad for the first four offerings from Westerfield.

 

 

Ben Hom

 

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Decals for SFRD (Santa Fe) 50' reefers

Tim O'Connor
 

John

Here is what I have for CHAMP. The Champ sets were well researched and are very accurate.
I used the Grand Canyon lettering with 50 foot map for my Rr-42.

BRH-218  El Capitan   36" herald  40' str map
BRH-219  Scout   36" herald  40' str map
BRH-220  Super Chief  36" herald  50' str map
BRH-221  Chief    36" herald  50' str map
BRH-222  Grand Canyon 36" herald  40' str map
BRH-223  El Capitan   36" herald  S&T
BRH-224  Super Chief  36" herald  S&T
BRH-225  Chief    36" herald  S&T
BRH-226  Grand Canyon 36" herald  S&T
BRH-228  San Fr Chief 36" herald  S&T
BRH-229  Texas Chief  36" herald  S&T

HH-73    40' curved map
HH-74    40' straight map w/o Ship
HH-78    50' straight map w/o Ship





On 1/31/2019 3:14 PM, john oseida via Groups.Io wrote:
I'm looking for a source for decals for SFRD (Santa Fe) 50' ice reefers in HO scale.  More specifically classes RR-10/17/22/26/30/31/37/42 and ideally in the straight-line map scheme used from late 1940 through mid-1947.  There were some differences in the maps applied to 40' cars vs. 50' cars and I'm attempting to locate lettering specific to the 50' cars.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks and regards,

John Oseida
Oakville, ON



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: CG 37 box cars

Brian Carlson
 

After being a smart aleck here are a few photos

https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?Itemid=622&Categoryid=20

 

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Carlson via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 8:27 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] CG 37 box cars

 

I think any space kit would be beyond the scope of this list.  Unless it’s a real early space kit. :)

Brian J. Carlson from frigid Buffalo. It might be warmer in moderate jail.  


On Jan 31, 2019, at 7:07 PM, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:

I've got a set of old Champ CofG box car decals. I checked Ed's list showing several number series, but my RMJ only had a photo of the door and a half car. Anyone have a photo of a single 6' door car. I've got the decals and a space kit, would like to marry the two.
WC Propst

Re: Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

Tom Madden
 

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 05:10 PM, al_westerfield wrote:

The first of 29 years of monthly ads.  Believe it or not, I still ran into people at train shows that had never heard of us. – Al Westerfield

 

 

A couple of years ago the long-time newsletter editor for our local club, who's been in the hobby for decades, asked what companies used my cast resin parts. I mentioned Sunshine Models, Resin Car Works and Bethlehem Car Works. He said he'd never heard of any of them. Sometimes it gets lonely.....

Tom Madden

 

Re: Out of Scope messages

Mikebrock
 

 

Mark Rossiter writes to the RealSTMFC [ but should be writing OFF GROUP ]:

 

Yes but . . . while I understand it is out of scope to comment on Mr. Hundman as a person, Mainline Modeler was his product.  If one of the purposes of this list is to share the information necessary to build accurate freight car models, I think it’s important to share information about which reference materials are accurate and which are not.”

 

The rule involved:  “Members are permitted to criticize or praise manufacturer's products free from criticism from other members.”

 

Responding to your comment ”I think it’s important to share information about which reference materials are accurate and which are not”, I agree and the group’s rules protect you if you chose to point out an error in a product. Mind you, another member may not agree with you. Hence, a member may criticize a product while another may praise the same product…both free from attack.

 

However, you are not allowed to attack the manufacturer…” Criticism of a manufacturer's business practices is, however, not within the scope of the group.

 

“Again, I’m not sure that ‘making stuff up’ qualifies as a business practice, but the consumer should at least be warned that not everything shown in drawings of the type under discussion is based on good solid evidence.”

 

As I state above, the group rules allow a member to point out a possible error in a product free from criticism.  Nevertheless, such an error does not allow  criticism of a manufacturer in general.

 

“I don’t see much difference between being critical of inaccurate drawings (whose primary purpose was for encouraging the building of accurate models) versus pointing out that a manufacturer used the wrong trucks or paint job on a freight car offering.”

 

I don’t either. However, given that we are discussing models that, generally, have to operate, it is possible that “errors“ might crepe into a design. How many of us are using “scale” couplers or “scale” wheels?

 

Mike Brock

STMFC Owner

STMFC Owner

Re: CG 37 box cars

Brian Carlson
 

I think any space kit would be beyond the scope of this list.  Unless it’s a real early space kit. :)

Brian J. Carlson from frigid Buffalo. It might be warmer in moderate jail.  

On Jan 31, 2019, at 7:07 PM, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:

I've got a set of old Champ CofG box car decals. I checked Ed's list showing several number series, but my RMJ only had a photo of the door and a half car. Anyone have a photo of a single 6' door car. I've got the decals and a space kit, would like to marry the two.
WC Propst

Re: Out of Scope messages

Rossiter, Mark W <Mark.Rossiter@...>
 

Yes but . . . while I understand it is out of scope to comment on Mr. Hundman as a person, Mainline Modeler was his product.  If one of the purposes of this list is to share the information necessary to build accurate freight car models, I think it’s important to share information about which reference materials are accurate and which are not.  If not for this list, I would not have known how much liberty was taken with the drawings and commentary in a publication I counted on as being ‘the gospel’ for accurate modeling for many years.  I have every issue of MM published and have often used it as my ‘go to’ resource for a number of modeling projects. 

 

I am reminded of how disappointed I was in finding out that the drawings provided in Model Railroader and in the instructions for some Reading passenger car kits were drawn not based on the study of actual cars (of which many still exist), but on ‘typical’ practices of the era.  In other words, they were almost worthless. 

 

Again, I’m not sure that ‘making stuff up’ qualifies as a business practice, but the consumer should at least be warned that not everything shown in drawings of the type under discussion is based on good solid evidence.  I don’t see much difference between being critical of inaccurate drawings (whose primary purpose was for encouraging the building of accurate models) versus pointing out that a manufacturer used the wrong trucks or paint job on a freight car offering.

 

Mark Rossiter 

 

    

 

 

Re: Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

 

The first of 29 years of monthly ads.  Believe it or not, I still ran into people at train shows that had never heard of us. – Al Westerfield

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Benjamin Hom
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 3:00 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Throwback Thursday: Westerfield

 

Railroad Model Craftsman, October 1982 issue, ad for the first four offerings from Westerfield.

 

 

Ben Hom

 

CG 37 box cars

Clark Propst
 

I've got a set of old Champ CofG box car decals. I checked Ed's list showing several number series, but my RMJ only had a photo of the door and a half car. Anyone have a photo of a single 6' door car. I've got the decals and a space kit, would like to marry the two.
WC Propst

Re: Soo Line Wood Boxcars #100-444 / Accurail 7000 Series Kitbash #100-444

golden1014
 

Monon had a car series that was almost an exact matcto these WC cars.  The Monon cars had a slighlty different end (the end braces being in a slightly different position) but everything else is practically the same.  Earlier cars had a flexible metal roof.  It would be interesting to compare the, side-ny-side.

John Golden
Ramstein AB, Germany

Re: Decals for SFRD (Santa Fe) 50' reefers

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I did this kit ages ago when I thought that information on instruction sheet was straight from the burning Bush.  I wound up with a car that was yellow yellow.  Nowhere near color of the Santa Fe refers.  The kit supplied decals seemed to be accurate.

Later a resin kit was done for me and I supplied Chsmp Blue Ribbon decals.  For the Grand Canyom Line lettering there are two lettering arrangements.  The one I wanted was not in the set but was in the Microscale set.  The builder had lettered the car for all but the slogan at this point.  I recall his comment that he wished he had the Microscale set to begin with as the fit was better.

I don't know if the Microscale set covers tie 50' cars.

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: "bill woelfel via Groups.Io" <bwoelfeljr@...>
Date: 1/31/19 12:51 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Decals for SFRD (Santa Fe) 50' reefers

I'm doing 2 Ambroid kits now and would love to find these decals also. I'm not sure if the factory decals were correct, I didn't get them w/the used, partialyy built ones I bought. Bill W, Homewood, Il.

Re: Decals for SFRD (Santa Fe) 50' reefers

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Woelfel wrote:
"I'm doing 2 Ambroid kits now and would love to find these decals also. I'm not sure if the factory decals were correct, I didn't get them w/the used, partially built ones I bought."

Interesting.  Didn't know that Amborid did a 50 ft Santa Fe reefer.


Ben Hom

Re: Decals for SFRD (Santa Fe) 50' reefers

bill woelfel
 

I'm doing 2 Ambroid kits now and would love to find these decals also. I'm not sure if the factory decals were correct, I didn't get them w/the used, partialyy built ones I bought. Bill W, Homewood, Il.