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Re: Military loads.

Charles Peck
 

One might think that some seriously obsolete pieces might be getting donated to
a VFW hall or some such.  That would be an individual shipment.
Chuck Peck 

On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 6:34 PM George Courtney via Groups.Io <gsc3=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Most of the National Guard units in my area had retired tanks or artillery pieces.  I wonder if they moved by mostly by rail or totally by truck.

George Courtney


Re: Military loads.

gary laakso
 

Plus, many weapons were exported to allies and, perhaps, one tank was cheaper for parts than components alone were.

Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock


On Feb 3, 2019, at 3:34 PM, George Courtney via Groups.Io <gsc3@...> wrote:

Most of the National Guard units in my area had retired tanks or artillery pieces.  I wonder if they moved by mostly by rail or totally by truck.

George Courtney


Re: Military loads.

George Courtney
 

Most of the National Guard units in my area had retired tanks or artillery pieces.  I wonder if they moved by mostly by rail or totally by truck.

George Courtney


Re: Military loads.

Dave Owens
 

The USAX/DODX cars were built for the Army because the Patton tank family was too heavy for standard railroad flats. The cars operated into the early 90s and some can still be found in MOW service on Amtrak. I caught one a few years ago along the New Haven to  Springfield line in Hartford, Conn.

Jim Eager moved the bolsters on the cars. As built by Roco, they are a little off. Otherwise, the Roco car is a very nice match for the Magor USAX/DODX 38000 series car.

I have about 70 of these cars I've modified and operate as a unit train. It's out of the steam era,, though.

Also, all the references I have seen indicate these cars were painted green.

Here's one that has been restored to its original paint scheme at the Age of  Steam Roundhouse in Sugarcreek, Ohio.

John Frantz, the proprietor of  Mount  Vernon  Shops decals, helped with the  lettering on this  car.

Dave Owens
West Hartford, Conn.





On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 5:52 PM Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:

Brian,

 

Of course if the tank was too early for your era, could you model one going to the scrap yard?

 

Allen Cain

 


Re: MORE ON NORTHERN PACIFIC STOCK CARS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


Ron And Others:

I was not at home when the latest post came in and had to question my memory.  
The UP kit is definitely an S-40-5 car. My kit is totally painted with complete lettering.
Richard Hendrickson had done an article on building this kit in the UP Streamliner
magazine.

My kit is nearly complete but was sidelined as I was researching the bracketing for the 
air hose supports.  I do recfall a comment that ther may have deen two runs of this kit.
One had more fo a brown color as opposed to the UP red color of my kit.

Bill Pardie

 

On Feb 2, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Richard Townsend via Groups.Io <richtownsend@...> wrote:

Regarding the UP stock cars, what were the available parts?_._,

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Feb 2, 2019 1:33 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MORE ON NORTHERN PACIFIC STOCK CARS

I have a couple of those UP stock car kits.  They basically put together available parts with a couple of new components.  They're coming up fairly soon on my build list, right after I put real couplers on the Trix UP stock car.  I finished the mod for the Trix UP hopper cars, and they're in service now.

Ron Merrick


Re: Military loads.

Allen Cain
 

Brian,

 

Of course if the tank was too early for your era, could you model one going to the scrap yard?

 

Allen Cain

 


Re: Military loads.

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Thanks Tony!

Your articles do indeed add to my knowledge of these cars. I’ve done many of the same improvements you suggest, but I did not know of the decal set. I’ll have to see if it’s still a available.

I haven’t seen a ROCO-type prototype car in maybe 25-30 years now.

The ROCO-type cars stayed around well into “DODX” days, but the 6-axle cars they mostly use today are longer and have higher capacity. They also have built-in tie-down-anchor tracks running the whole length of the car. In the days of the ROCO car vehicles were mostly blocked to the deck, with lots of lumber and minimal chains and tie-downs. Nowadays they seem to use hardly any blocking, and LOTS of chains … four or more pairs per end. Modern tanks, of course, are twice as heavy as WWII tanks.

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Feb 3, 2019, at 4:48 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Daniel Mitchell wrote:

Just FYI. The old ROCO 6-axle flats are BOTH 1960’s vintage U.S. Army prototypes. The regular flatcar was for general use. The depressed-center flat is the transport carrier for the M-103 Heavy Tank (though it may well have been used for other things too).

    For more about that Roco flat car and its actual origins, you might wish to read my blog post at:

https://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2018/12/upgrading-roco-flat-car-part-3.html

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history










Re: 1942 Miner Hand Brake in HO

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Tim,

"Sheesh. Money ain't what it used to be!"

How very true, but then neither are today's parts.

Pax,


Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 3:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 1942 Miner Hand Brake in HO


It's a whole AB brake set including the hand brake equipment. At $13 it
costs much more than
many of my unbuilt freight car kits ever did. Sheesh. Money ain't what
it used to be! ;-)


On 2/3/2019 8:08 AM, gtws00 via Groups.Io wrote:
I found this new 1942 Miner Handbrake kit on the Arrowhead Models website. I have no affiliation with them and just wanted to let others know of it availability. Looks to be the one as modeled on their Hopper Cars.
Web link below.
https://arrowheadmodels.com/collections/shop/products/miner-1942-handbrake-and-appliance-set-ahp-9001

GeorgeToman


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Special HO built kits w/ special prices

Andy Carlson
 

Hello-
I have nine cars which were partially or totally built kits from a recently deceased friend. His quality was very good. Priced to reflect the non-original unbuilt kit condition. Shipping of $4 and up will be added to the purchase prices. The original boxes are in good near-mint shape.



1) Intermountain 450505-06 WFE steel sided ice bunker reefer WFE 68198 Early lettering scheme "NEW 4-41" Car has had the underframe built with air hoses and brake gear. No trucks $10
2) Same, #-07; WFE 68215. Underframe as #1, attached to car body roof and details remain undone.  No trucks $10
3) Same, #-02; WFE 68036. Mostly finished, needs roof attached and last two hatches attached. Has stick-on weights and Kadee couplers installed. No trucks $10
4) Same as 3), #-03; WFE 68073. Needs roof attached, corner roof grab irons and last two hatches attached. No trucks $10
5) IMWX HOBNH096 '37 AAR New Haven box car. NH 30096 blt 9-41 w/ scriptive full spelled out name. Nearly fully  Built and new 7-47. Kadee couplers, sprung trucks, aftermarket weathered wood deck. Built, needs roof attached and one broken corner sill step replaced. Has laser cut wood floor and stick-on weights applied to the interior. Has Kadee couplers. No trucks  $10
6) Proto 2000 #21043; NYC Greenville 52' gondola. Assembled from kit. NYC 712507 Has weathered after market wood floor attached with heavy weight conceled under it.  Has spring-plankless sprung trucks $14
7) Front Range #4091; GN #13278 combo door 40' riveted box car. GN Vermilion Red w/ E.B. style of spelled slant serif "Great Northern". Sprung trucks and Kadee couplers. Weighted. $14
8) Same as 7) GN #13275.   One Kadee coupler has popped loose.  Has weathered after market wood floor installed interior between door openings. Sprung trucks $15
9) Walthers #932-2156; Assembled GN 6 panel single sheathed wood box car with wood ends. (Fooby) Sprung arch bar trucks and Kadee couplers.  $7

I accept checks and money orders. with a small fee I accept PayPal contact me off-list for details.<midcentury@...>
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Military loads.

Tony Thompson
 

Daniel Mitchell wrote:

Just FYI. The old ROCO 6-axle flats are BOTH 1960’s vintage U.S. Army prototypes. The regular flatcar was for general use. The depressed-center flat is the transport carrier for the M-103 Heavy Tank (though it may well have been used for other things too).
For more about that Roco flat car and its actual origins, you might wish to read my blog post at:

https://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2018/12/upgrading-roco-flat-car-part-3.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Military loads.

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

In most cases they load a car to something like its capacity in either length of weight. Many armored vehicles were heavy enough to require either “single” loading or a vary heavy duty flatcar (100-tons plus). An ordinary truck, like an M-35 “Deuce and a Half”, could easily be loaded two to a car.

Of course, it they only had one to ship, it’d be on one car.

Today the Dept of Defense (DODX) has a lot of very heavy 6-axle flatcars. These routinely carry two M-1 Abrams tanks (which weigh around 70 tons each, so that’s 140 tons per car).

In WWII an M4 Sherman tank only weighed about 32 tons, so two could be carried on one 70-ton flatcar.

I just finished doing an HO model of an M-48 Patton tank (~55 tons) on an older U.S. Army 6-axle flat. The car has a 100 ton capacity.

Just FYI. The old ROCO 6-axle flats are BOTH 1960’s vintage U.S. Army prototypes. The regular flatcar was for general use. The depressed-center flat is the transport carrier for the M-103 Heavy Tank (though it may well have been used for other things too).

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Feb 3, 2019, at 3:14 PM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Years ago after seeing a photo of military truck load in either the RPC article on loads or in an article, I picked up a Roco Minitanks M35 to create a load.

Now after thinking about the August 1957 era I Model I’m wondering if a single M35 on a flatcar would be a common load. Did military loads commonly move in singles/separate moves in my era.

I wasn’t around then so hoping for advice.

Brian J. Carlson



Re: Military loads.

John Barry
 

Brian,

Its that great adult undergarment answer, it depends.  There were a lot of unit moves to training, unit movements for deployments overseas not so much.  But there were also deliveries of replacement vehicles that moved as individual or small shipments, especially to smaller installations.  Sometimes cars in unit moves got bad ordered and moved alone after repair.  

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Sunday, February 3, 2019, 3:14:56 PM EST, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:


Years ago after seeing a photo of military truck load in either the RPC article on loads or in an article, I picked up a Roco Minitanks M35 to create a load.

Now after thinking about the August 1957 era I Model I’m wondering if a single M35 on a flatcar would be a common load.  Did military loads commonly move in singles/separate moves in my era.

I wasn’t around then so hoping for advice.

Brian J. Carlson



Re: Decals for Tank cars

Tim O'Connor
 


Here's one solution - model it as a PATCHED tank car. This one got Roman reporting marks. :-)



On 2/3/2019 1:07 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
gary laakso wrote:

American Scale Models has tank car decals left over from brass model imports, including Richard Hendrickson’s Western Asphalt:
 

   Notice however that their original ERROR remains, to make the reporting marks COLX instead of the correct CDLX for California Dispatch Line. The prototype "D" is kind of rounded, no doubt the source of the mistake, but it's a mistake nevertheless.

Tony Thompson  


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: 1942 Miner Hand Brake in HO

Tim O'Connor
 

It's a whole AB brake set including the hand brake equipment. At $13 it costs much more than
many of my unbuilt freight car kits ever did. Sheesh. Money ain't what it used to be! ;-)

On 2/3/2019 8:08 AM, gtws00 via Groups.Io wrote:
I found this new 1942 Miner Handbrake kit on the Arrowhead Models website. I have no affiliation with them and just wanted to let others know of it availability. Looks to be the one as modeled on their Hopper Cars.
Web link below.
https://arrowheadmodels.com/collections/shop/products/miner-1942-handbrake-and-appliance-set-ahp-9001

GeorgeToman
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Military loads.

Brian Carlson
 

Years ago after seeing a photo of military truck load in either the RPC article on loads or in an article, I picked up a Roco Minitanks M35 to create a load.

Now after thinking about the August 1957 era I Model I’m wondering if a single M35 on a flatcar would be a common load. Did military loads commonly move in singles/separate moves in my era.

I wasn’t around then so hoping for advice.

Brian J. Carlson


Re: SLSF 152203 DS auto car and B&A 16000 series flat

John Barry
 

Thanks Steve,

This is helpful and does look like a good kitbashing project.

John

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Sunday, February 3, 2019, 11:44:09 AM EST, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:


Hi John,

I won't profess any personal knowledge of these cars, but I will share what can be gleaned from the attached diagram sheet.

These cars were built in 1910 by ACF and Standard Steel Car and were rebuilt by the Frisco in 1937, presumably by the new roof, doors and ends plus AB brakes.  The cars disappear sometime in the middle to late 50's.  The drawing shows a diagonal brace in the lower corners of the sides which does not appear in the photo.  This could be an interesting kitbashing project.

Steve  Hile
 
-----Original Message-----
From: John Barry
Sent: Feb 2, 2019 11:52 AM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SLSF 152203 DS auto car and B&A 16000 series flat

Can anyone give me further information about these two cars?  SLSF 152203 was a 40' double sheathed end door auto loader in series SLSF 152000-152228.  It was photographed unloading a DUKW onto a Boston & Albany flat at the San Francisco Port of Embarkation during WWII.  I wrote about the book, Gateway to Victory, back in 2015 https://northbaylines.blogspot.com/2015/12/san-francisco-port-of-embarkation-sfpoe.html  
I've looked through the Sunshine all time list and associated flyers and came up with earlier and later cars, but not the 152000 series.  

The B&A flat has to be one of the 186 cars remaining in the 16000-16399 series.  The build date and capacity eliminate the other B&A flats listed in the Jan 45 ORER.  The Canada Southern Railway website lists the cars as members of Lot 300-F built in 1912.  The 4-13 build date in the photo is consistent with an extended delivery from a late 1912 order.  

I would like to model both of these cars.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


Re: Decals for Tank cars

Tony Thompson
 

gary laakso wrote:

American Scale Models has tank car decals left over from brass model imports, including Richard Hendrickson’s Western Asphalt:
 

   Notice however that their original ERROR remains, to make the reporting marks COLX instead of the correct CDLX for California Dispatch Line. The prototype "D" is kind of rounded, no doubt the source of the mistake, but it's a mistake nevertheless.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Decals for Tank cars

gary laakso
 

American Scale Models has tank car decals left over from brass model imports, including Richard Hendrickson’s Western Asphalt:

 

http://americanscalemodels.com/HO?product_id=1934 

 

While I have ordered brass parts from ASM, I have not ordered decals. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mick Brock

 


Re: 1942 Miner Hand Brake in HO

Blaine
 

George: thank you for pointing to this!

Ed Hawkins and I have been discussing a potential point of confusion regarding how the appliance kit is labeled. The confusion relates to the combination of Miner 1942-era design hand brake and brake wheel. (Both of which, are accurate in our model of the 1960-built Pullman-Standard H39.) But, the style of brake wheel is not accurate for 1942-era applications. It may be more accurate to state that it is a 1960s era appliance kit for the Miner 1942-era design handbrake.

A detail exegesis of hand brakes is covered in a 59-page article in RP CYC volume 10. Of course, I would invite anyone who is interested to read more about these details there.

Ed invited me to point to this fact given that this is a steam era list and the product is labeled 'Miner 1942 Handbrake and Appliance Kit'. I will also be making an amendment to the copy of our website so that we don't invite confusion.

Let us rejoice that the hobby is in a place where these kind of precise distinctions are being made!

My best,

Blaine Hadfield
Arrowhead Models


Re: 1942 Miner Hand Brake in HO

Lester Breuer
 

Thanks for sharing.
Lester Breuer

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