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Re: MORE ON NORTHERN PACIFIC STOCK CARS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


Ron And Others:

I was not at home when the latest post came in and had to question my memory.  
The UP kit is definitely an S-40-5 car. My kit is totally painted with complete lettering.
Richard Hendrickson had done an article on building this kit in the UP Streamliner
magazine.

My kit is nearly complete but was sidelined as I was researching the bracketing for the 
air hose supports.  I do recfall a comment that ther may have deen two runs of this kit.
One had more fo a brown color as opposed to the UP red color of my kit.

Bill Pardie

 

On Feb 2, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Richard Townsend via Groups.Io <richtownsend@...> wrote:

Regarding the UP stock cars, what were the available parts?_._,

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Feb 2, 2019 1:33 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MORE ON NORTHERN PACIFIC STOCK CARS

I have a couple of those UP stock car kits.  They basically put together available parts with a couple of new components.  They're coming up fairly soon on my build list, right after I put real couplers on the Trix UP stock car.  I finished the mod for the Trix UP hopper cars, and they're in service now.

Ron Merrick


Re: Military loads.

Allen Cain
 

Brian,

 

Of course if the tank was too early for your era, could you model one going to the scrap yard?

 

Allen Cain

 


Re: Military loads.

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

Thanks Tony!

Your articles do indeed add to my knowledge of these cars. I’ve done many of the same improvements you suggest, but I did not know of the decal set. I’ll have to see if it’s still a available.

I haven’t seen a ROCO-type prototype car in maybe 25-30 years now.

The ROCO-type cars stayed around well into “DODX” days, but the 6-axle cars they mostly use today are longer and have higher capacity. They also have built-in tie-down-anchor tracks running the whole length of the car. In the days of the ROCO car vehicles were mostly blocked to the deck, with lots of lumber and minimal chains and tie-downs. Nowadays they seem to use hardly any blocking, and LOTS of chains … four or more pairs per end. Modern tanks, of course, are twice as heavy as WWII tanks.

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Feb 3, 2019, at 4:48 PM, Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Daniel Mitchell wrote:

Just FYI. The old ROCO 6-axle flats are BOTH 1960’s vintage U.S. Army prototypes. The regular flatcar was for general use. The depressed-center flat is the transport carrier for the M-103 Heavy Tank (though it may well have been used for other things too).

    For more about that Roco flat car and its actual origins, you might wish to read my blog post at:

https://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2018/12/upgrading-roco-flat-car-part-3.html

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history










Re: 1942 Miner Hand Brake in HO

Ralph W. Brown
 

Hi Tim,

"Sheesh. Money ain't what it used to be!"

How very true, but then neither are today's parts.

Pax,


Ralph Brown
Portland, Maine
PRRT&HS No. 3966
NMRA No. L2532

rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 3:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] 1942 Miner Hand Brake in HO


It's a whole AB brake set including the hand brake equipment. At $13 it
costs much more than
many of my unbuilt freight car kits ever did. Sheesh. Money ain't what
it used to be! ;-)


On 2/3/2019 8:08 AM, gtws00 via Groups.Io wrote:
I found this new 1942 Miner Handbrake kit on the Arrowhead Models website. I have no affiliation with them and just wanted to let others know of it availability. Looks to be the one as modeled on their Hopper Cars.
Web link below.
https://arrowheadmodels.com/collections/shop/products/miner-1942-handbrake-and-appliance-set-ahp-9001

GeorgeToman


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Special HO built kits w/ special prices

Andy Carlson
 

Hello-
I have nine cars which were partially or totally built kits from a recently deceased friend. His quality was very good. Priced to reflect the non-original unbuilt kit condition. Shipping of $4 and up will be added to the purchase prices. The original boxes are in good near-mint shape.



1) Intermountain 450505-06 WFE steel sided ice bunker reefer WFE 68198 Early lettering scheme "NEW 4-41" Car has had the underframe built with air hoses and brake gear. No trucks $10
2) Same, #-07; WFE 68215. Underframe as #1, attached to car body roof and details remain undone.  No trucks $10
3) Same, #-02; WFE 68036. Mostly finished, needs roof attached and last two hatches attached. Has stick-on weights and Kadee couplers installed. No trucks $10
4) Same as 3), #-03; WFE 68073. Needs roof attached, corner roof grab irons and last two hatches attached. No trucks $10
5) IMWX HOBNH096 '37 AAR New Haven box car. NH 30096 blt 9-41 w/ scriptive full spelled out name. Nearly fully  Built and new 7-47. Kadee couplers, sprung trucks, aftermarket weathered wood deck. Built, needs roof attached and one broken corner sill step replaced. Has laser cut wood floor and stick-on weights applied to the interior. Has Kadee couplers. No trucks  $10
6) Proto 2000 #21043; NYC Greenville 52' gondola. Assembled from kit. NYC 712507 Has weathered after market wood floor attached with heavy weight conceled under it.  Has spring-plankless sprung trucks $14
7) Front Range #4091; GN #13278 combo door 40' riveted box car. GN Vermilion Red w/ E.B. style of spelled slant serif "Great Northern". Sprung trucks and Kadee couplers. Weighted. $14
8) Same as 7) GN #13275.   One Kadee coupler has popped loose.  Has weathered after market wood floor installed interior between door openings. Sprung trucks $15
9) Walthers #932-2156; Assembled GN 6 panel single sheathed wood box car with wood ends. (Fooby) Sprung arch bar trucks and Kadee couplers.  $7

I accept checks and money orders. with a small fee I accept PayPal contact me off-list for details.<midcentury@...>
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Military loads.

Tony Thompson
 

Daniel Mitchell wrote:

Just FYI. The old ROCO 6-axle flats are BOTH 1960’s vintage U.S. Army prototypes. The regular flatcar was for general use. The depressed-center flat is the transport carrier for the M-103 Heavy Tank (though it may well have been used for other things too).
For more about that Roco flat car and its actual origins, you might wish to read my blog post at:

https://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2018/12/upgrading-roco-flat-car-part-3.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Military loads.

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

In most cases they load a car to something like its capacity in either length of weight. Many armored vehicles were heavy enough to require either “single” loading or a vary heavy duty flatcar (100-tons plus). An ordinary truck, like an M-35 “Deuce and a Half”, could easily be loaded two to a car.

Of course, it they only had one to ship, it’d be on one car.

Today the Dept of Defense (DODX) has a lot of very heavy 6-axle flatcars. These routinely carry two M-1 Abrams tanks (which weigh around 70 tons each, so that’s 140 tons per car).

In WWII an M4 Sherman tank only weighed about 32 tons, so two could be carried on one 70-ton flatcar.

I just finished doing an HO model of an M-48 Patton tank (~55 tons) on an older U.S. Army 6-axle flat. The car has a 100 ton capacity.

Just FYI. The old ROCO 6-axle flats are BOTH 1960’s vintage U.S. Army prototypes. The regular flatcar was for general use. The depressed-center flat is the transport carrier for the M-103 Heavy Tank (though it may well have been used for other things too).

Dan Mitchell
==========

On Feb 3, 2019, at 3:14 PM, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Years ago after seeing a photo of military truck load in either the RPC article on loads or in an article, I picked up a Roco Minitanks M35 to create a load.

Now after thinking about the August 1957 era I Model I’m wondering if a single M35 on a flatcar would be a common load. Did military loads commonly move in singles/separate moves in my era.

I wasn’t around then so hoping for advice.

Brian J. Carlson



Re: Military loads.

John Barry
 

Brian,

Its that great adult undergarment answer, it depends.  There were a lot of unit moves to training, unit movements for deployments overseas not so much.  But there were also deliveries of replacement vehicles that moved as individual or small shipments, especially to smaller installations.  Sometimes cars in unit moves got bad ordered and moved alone after repair.  

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Sunday, February 3, 2019, 3:14:56 PM EST, Brian Carlson via Groups.Io <prrk41361@...> wrote:


Years ago after seeing a photo of military truck load in either the RPC article on loads or in an article, I picked up a Roco Minitanks M35 to create a load.

Now after thinking about the August 1957 era I Model I’m wondering if a single M35 on a flatcar would be a common load.  Did military loads commonly move in singles/separate moves in my era.

I wasn’t around then so hoping for advice.

Brian J. Carlson



Re: Decals for Tank cars

Tim O'Connor
 


Here's one solution - model it as a PATCHED tank car. This one got Roman reporting marks. :-)



On 2/3/2019 1:07 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
gary laakso wrote:

American Scale Models has tank car decals left over from brass model imports, including Richard Hendrickson’s Western Asphalt:
 

   Notice however that their original ERROR remains, to make the reporting marks COLX instead of the correct CDLX for California Dispatch Line. The prototype "D" is kind of rounded, no doubt the source of the mistake, but it's a mistake nevertheless.

Tony Thompson  


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: 1942 Miner Hand Brake in HO

Tim O'Connor
 

It's a whole AB brake set including the hand brake equipment. At $13 it costs much more than
many of my unbuilt freight car kits ever did. Sheesh. Money ain't what it used to be! ;-)

On 2/3/2019 8:08 AM, gtws00 via Groups.Io wrote:
I found this new 1942 Miner Handbrake kit on the Arrowhead Models website. I have no affiliation with them and just wanted to let others know of it availability. Looks to be the one as modeled on their Hopper Cars.
Web link below.
https://arrowheadmodels.com/collections/shop/products/miner-1942-handbrake-and-appliance-set-ahp-9001

GeorgeToman
--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Military loads.

Brian Carlson
 

Years ago after seeing a photo of military truck load in either the RPC article on loads or in an article, I picked up a Roco Minitanks M35 to create a load.

Now after thinking about the August 1957 era I Model I’m wondering if a single M35 on a flatcar would be a common load. Did military loads commonly move in singles/separate moves in my era.

I wasn’t around then so hoping for advice.

Brian J. Carlson


Re: SLSF 152203 DS auto car and B&A 16000 series flat

John Barry
 

Thanks Steve,

This is helpful and does look like a good kitbashing project.

John

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Sunday, February 3, 2019, 11:44:09 AM EST, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...> wrote:


Hi John,

I won't profess any personal knowledge of these cars, but I will share what can be gleaned from the attached diagram sheet.

These cars were built in 1910 by ACF and Standard Steel Car and were rebuilt by the Frisco in 1937, presumably by the new roof, doors and ends plus AB brakes.  The cars disappear sometime in the middle to late 50's.  The drawing shows a diagonal brace in the lower corners of the sides which does not appear in the photo.  This could be an interesting kitbashing project.

Steve  Hile
 
-----Original Message-----
From: John Barry
Sent: Feb 2, 2019 11:52 AM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SLSF 152203 DS auto car and B&A 16000 series flat

Can anyone give me further information about these two cars?  SLSF 152203 was a 40' double sheathed end door auto loader in series SLSF 152000-152228.  It was photographed unloading a DUKW onto a Boston & Albany flat at the San Francisco Port of Embarkation during WWII.  I wrote about the book, Gateway to Victory, back in 2015 https://northbaylines.blogspot.com/2015/12/san-francisco-port-of-embarkation-sfpoe.html  
I've looked through the Sunshine all time list and associated flyers and came up with earlier and later cars, but not the 152000 series.  

The B&A flat has to be one of the 186 cars remaining in the 16000-16399 series.  The build date and capacity eliminate the other B&A flats listed in the Jan 45 ORER.  The Canada Southern Railway website lists the cars as members of Lot 300-F built in 1912.  The 4-13 build date in the photo is consistent with an extended delivery from a late 1912 order.  

I would like to model both of these cars.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


Re: Decals for Tank cars

Tony Thompson
 

gary laakso wrote:

American Scale Models has tank car decals left over from brass model imports, including Richard Hendrickson’s Western Asphalt:
 

   Notice however that their original ERROR remains, to make the reporting marks COLX instead of the correct CDLX for California Dispatch Line. The prototype "D" is kind of rounded, no doubt the source of the mistake, but it's a mistake nevertheless.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Decals for Tank cars

gary laakso
 

American Scale Models has tank car decals left over from brass model imports, including Richard Hendrickson’s Western Asphalt:

 

http://americanscalemodels.com/HO?product_id=1934 

 

While I have ordered brass parts from ASM, I have not ordered decals. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mick Brock

 


Re: 1942 Miner Hand Brake in HO

Blaine
 

George: thank you for pointing to this!

Ed Hawkins and I have been discussing a potential point of confusion regarding how the appliance kit is labeled. The confusion relates to the combination of Miner 1942-era design hand brake and brake wheel. (Both of which, are accurate in our model of the 1960-built Pullman-Standard H39.) But, the style of brake wheel is not accurate for 1942-era applications. It may be more accurate to state that it is a 1960s era appliance kit for the Miner 1942-era design handbrake.

A detail exegesis of hand brakes is covered in a 59-page article in RP CYC volume 10. Of course, I would invite anyone who is interested to read more about these details there.

Ed invited me to point to this fact given that this is a steam era list and the product is labeled 'Miner 1942 Handbrake and Appliance Kit'. I will also be making an amendment to the copy of our website so that we don't invite confusion.

Let us rejoice that the hobby is in a place where these kind of precise distinctions are being made!

My best,

Blaine Hadfield
Arrowhead Models


Re: 1942 Miner Hand Brake in HO

Lester Breuer
 

Thanks for sharing.
Lester Breuer


Re: Eastern Car Works 65' mill gondolas

mopacfirst
 

Progress --

I painted the finished G26 yesterday.  Had a major brain-dead moment.  Before the pieces were assembled, I painted the inside surfaces with a sort of rust and black mixture.  While I'd painted the underframe black, I ended up putting so much lead under there that the paint, and the brake gear, was a lost cause.  Still, I got it up to 4.2 oz.  Got the car completely assembled, carefully gluing it so the ends were still moveable, and added wire grabs.  I used .030 x .060 for the spacers that some of the grabs were attached to.  Trimmed the grabs on the ID and filed the sharp edges so the ends still moved;  actually they kind of latch with the grab ends that penetrate the end frame.  So I masked the inside sides to protect the grungy paint, and blasted it with PRR freight car color.

Oops, didn't mask the floor.  Saw that just as I'd hit it with paint.  Now the floor is shiny red, or the middle six feet of it anyway.  So this morning I re-masked and at least tried  to cover that with the rusty car ID mixture.  It looks ok, but not what I originally set out to do.

Now just waiting for decals.

Ron Merrick


3 New WWII-Era Bethlehem 70-Ton Gondola Schemes Available from Tangent!

Tangent Scale Models
 

Tangent Scale Models is pleased to announce the availability today of our latest run of Bethlehem 52’6” 70-Ton Gondolas in HO scale.  Produced from 1937 until 1957, Bethlehem Steel Company produced over 6,000 of these Gondolas at its Johnstown PA plant and supplied parts to other builders to build an additional 3,000+ cars.  These gondolas saw service across the steam, steam-transition, and diesel-eras.  These cars could be loaded with steel products, automotive frames, bulk material and scrap metal, just to name a few, and served customers across the USA and Canada.  The prototypes were built with drop ends and equipped with various options per the buyer’s specifications.

 

The Tangent Scale Models Bethlehem 52’6” 70-Ton Gondola is a distinctive finescale replica that includes highly accurate lettering, “true to life” colors, and “near-scale” draft gear.  The Tangent model features prototype specific options as well as interior detail, wire grab irons, CNC-machined wheels, Kadee® scale couplers and an intelligent weight design to ensure the model operates as good as it looks.

Check them out now at www.tangentscalemodels.com in these FIVE sharp RTR schemes:

 

Baltimore & Ohio (B&O) "Original O-59A 9-1941" is an all new paint scheme for the Tangent Bethlehem 52’6” 70T Gondola.  This group of 300 cars was built by BSC and delivered to the B&O in September of 1941.  While the B&O rostered over 4,000 of these gondolas total, the paint schemes show interesting variations.  By this date, B&O has shifted the Capitol Dome Logo to the right side of the car.  Duryea draft gear, riveted steel floors, corrugated ends, and an Ajax brake wheel are all present on the model and correct for this B&O series.  Check out the slack adjuster, mounted under the 5th rib on one side of the car – accurate for this specific B&O offering!  This car is available in 6 different numbers!

 

Reading (RDG) "Original 1941" replicates the delivery scheme on Reading’s first 100 car order, built by Bethlehem Steel.  BSC and the Reading Company’s own shops would eventually combine to build 2000 cars between 1941 and 1945!  Classic white roman lettering stands out on these black GHH class cars.  Reading specifications included Duryea draft gear, riveted steel floors, corrugated ends, and Ajax brake wheels.  All of these important details are present on the Tangent model and we are pleased to offer 6 new numbers for 2019!

 

Reading (RDG) "GHH Repaint 1956" is one of our most popular and requested paint schemes for this gondola.  1956 has brought a fresh coat of black paint and the Reading’s new “Speed Lettering” graphics to this 1941-built GHH class workhorse.  Slanted and stylized speed lettering with Roman reporting marks and data – this is Classic Reading Company, all the way.  We are very happy to offer 6 numbers in this scheme!

 

Lehigh Valley (LV) "Original 1942" brings some color to this release, exhibiting the Lehigh Valley’s oxide red paint and white lettering.  These cars are part of the LV’s second order of 400 gondolas.  Take your time – enjoy the nuances of accurate LV lettering:  The unevenly spaced LD LMT line, the classic LEHIGH VALLEY typestyle, and black & white diamond.  The Lehigh Valley requested conventional draft gear, wood floor, and Dreadnaught ends for these cars, all duplicated with the Tangent offering.  This scheme is available in 6 numbers!

 

Lehigh Valley (LV) "Green 1970" gives the 1970s modelers a splash of beautiful green color!  This offering replicates a series of cars refurbished by United State Railway Equipment (USRE) in Washington, Indiana for the Lehigh Valley in February of 1970.  This model Is full of little details: a light gray interior wall color matching the prototype, etched-metal Wine tie-downs on the top chord of the car, and stand-off metal ACI plates -- just like the prototype.  This car is available in three numbers!

 

Want to see photos of our new spectacular replicas?

See http://www.tangentscalemodels.com/  for a link to the new models!

 

We studied the prototype to accurately reproduce it with the following features:

- Dimensional accuracy – scaled exactly from Bethlehem Steel plans

- Highly accurate “true to life” colors

- Exact fonts and lettering placement – compare our replicas to the prototype photos on our website!

- Detail variations: Side chord tie downs appropriate for each paint scheme

- Detail variations: Steel or wood decks inside the car

- Detail variations: Duryea or conventional end sill detail appropriate for each paint scheme

- Detail variations: End door variations (Dreadnaught and Straight Corrugated) appropriate for each paint scheme

- Detail variations: Tack board locations appropriate for each paint scheme

- Detail variations: Brake platforms appropriate for each paint scheme

- Detail variations: Handbrakes applied to match production specifications (Universal, Ajax, or Equipco handbrakes available as separate parts, too!)

- Interior deck sits at the scale height

- Interior detail inside the gondola

- Wire grab irons and coupler lift bars

- Separate air hoses

- Weighted to NMRA specs for smooth operation

- Genuine Kadee® scale couplers

- Tangent 70-ton ASF A-3 Ride-Control trucks

- CNC-machined 33” wheels in high quality Tangent Scale Models trucks, with semi-scale wheels available separately

- Recommended age 14 years and older.

 

Do not miss out on this popular Bethlehem 52’-6” 70-Ton Riveted Drop-End Gondola!  Pricing for our new RTR gondolas is $38.95 each.

 

Thank you for continuing to support Tangent Scale Models, a family-owned and operated company! 

 

David Lehlbach

Tangent Scale Models


Re: SLSF 152203 DS auto car and B&A 16000 series flat

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Hi John,

I won't profess any personal knowledge of these cars, but I will share what can be gleaned from the attached diagram sheet.

These cars were built in 1910 by ACF and Standard Steel Car and were rebuilt by the Frisco in 1937, presumably by the new roof, doors and ends plus AB brakes.  The cars disappear sometime in the middle to late 50's.  The drawing shows a diagonal brace in the lower corners of the sides which does not appear in the photo.  This could be an interesting kitbashing project.

Steve  Hile
 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Barry
Sent: Feb 2, 2019 11:52 AM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] SLSF 152203 DS auto car and B&A 16000 series flat

Can anyone give me further information about these two cars?  SLSF 152203 was a 40' double sheathed end door auto loader in series SLSF 152000-152228.  It was photographed unloading a DUKW onto a Boston & Albany flat at the San Francisco Port of Embarkation during WWII.  I wrote about the book, Gateway to Victory, back in 2015 https://northbaylines.blogspot.com/2015/12/san-francisco-port-of-embarkation-sfpoe.html  
I've looked through the Sunshine all time list and associated flyers and came up with earlier and later cars, but not the 152000 series.  

The B&A flat has to be one of the 186 cars remaining in the 16000-16399 series.  The build date and capacity eliminate the other B&A flats listed in the Jan 45 ORER.  The Canada Southern Railway website lists the cars as members of Lot 300-F built in 1912.  The 4-13 build date in the photo is consistent with an extended delivery from a late 1912 order.  

I would like to model both of these cars.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


1942 Miner Hand Brake in HO

gtws00
 

I found this new 1942 Miner Handbrake kit on the Arrowhead Models website. I have no affiliation with them and just wanted to let others know of it availability. Looks to be the one as modeled on their Hopper Cars.
Web link below.
https://arrowheadmodels.com/collections/shop/products/miner-1942-handbrake-and-appliance-set-ahp-9001

GeorgeToman

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